August 2, 2008

Problem with Internet Explorer 7

I took Site Meter off the site, at least temporarily, because readers using Internet Explorer 7 could no longer access this page.

If you're using Internet Explorer 7, do yourself and me a favor. Stop it. Seriously. It's crap. Use Firefox. It's free and vastly superior.

I had to strip down my Web site because of Microsoft's horrible product. Every other Web browser in the world has no trouble accessing my site.

UPDATE: Site Meter tech support tells me this is fixed, so I put the code back in. Obviously you can't even read this if the problem persists, but if you can read this and are using Internet Explorer 7, please let me know in the comments. Many thanks in advance.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at August 2, 2008 10:15 AM

Yeah, that will happen at the same time that people change to Mac's.

Even if Firefox is a better browser, and there are differing opinions on that issue, it still takes work on the user's part to solve various issues. Ain't gonna happen.

I had the same problem with IE when I did web pages, but it was either make it work with IE (i.e. dumb my web sites down basically) or a significant portion of my audience would not be able to use my web site.

Even though your site has a more, umm, selective audience, I'd wager 80% or more are using IE as their browser.

Firefox has problems too - see

Posted by: rsnyder Author Profile Page at August 2, 2008 12:15 PM

Firefox is a vastly superior browser in nearly every way. It's what I use. If you don't want to use Firefox, Opera ( is a decent alternative.

When I build websites, I build them for Firefox, and only when the project is complete do I go back and tweak things here and there if it's totally necessary to get IE7 to work.

Posted by: Jamon51 Author Profile Page at August 2, 2008 1:37 PM

Even if Firefox is a better browser, and there are differing opinions on that issue, it still takes work on the user's part to solve various issues. Ain't gonna happen.

I'd guess anyone tech-savvy enough that they spend a lot of their free time on blogs is capable of getting Firefox downloaded and up and running properly! If they are using Explorer, it is by choice, not necessity. I personally think a lot of people got conditioned by years of being bounced off of websites that "required" some version of IE. Can't blame them, really. If for 10 years the only reasonable success rate you can have on the web is with Explorer, it takes some time to get over that!

Posted by: programmmer_craig Author Profile Page at August 2, 2008 5:06 PM

I am using IE7 and am having no problem, nor have ever had any problem, accessing your site.

Posted by: Dan Author Profile Page at August 2, 2008 5:16 PM

If a reader is not savvy enough to have switched to Firefox long ago, then s/he probably has no business around my site anyway!

Ha, that's so cocky!

Seriously though, folks: Get friggin Firefox already! It's not like there's a learning curve to it or anything. Just download and go!

Posted by: medaura Author Profile Page at August 2, 2008 7:47 PM

Firefox, Opera, Safari.
any of those will do.
Avoid IE7 the worse browser ever!

Posted by: kodder Author Profile Page at August 3, 2008 5:29 AM

Your IE7 fix works. I wonder: what were the good folk in Redmond thinking?

Posted by: Ai.Licheng Author Profile Page at August 3, 2008 8:20 AM

Ai.Licheng: I suspect that you wonder about many things since it was a code change that Site Meter made that caused the problem.

Posted by: rsnyder Author Profile Page at August 3, 2008 10:19 AM

I normally use Firefox, but I checked your site on IE7, and it is working fine for me.

Posted by: Warhorse Author Profile Page at August 3, 2008 1:25 PM

I think Microsoft IE here is innocent of all charges. It's bad coding at site meter. Website programmers have always had to program for 2-4 browsers. It's the bad crappy lazy programmers that program for just one.

Firefox is ok, but these same programmers dump a lot of bad code onto their sites that leave a lot of memory misued and still running around once you leave firefox.

I'm try safari now and I seem to like it.

Microsoft's quirk is trying to implement standards by being the standard before everyone agrees on it. They don't always play well with others. That is the reason to jump ship. Use Firefox and over the long haul things will work better as their marketshare increases.

Posted by: typesea Author Profile Page at August 3, 2008 9:03 PM

Considering my own knowledge of computing could probably be compared to discovering that fire is indeed hot I can report that after the one day everything is working at its usual level of a sad state of adquacy. I switched over to Firefox and checked with Netscape's replacement Flock and they were working fine. I was told the problem only affected sites using Blogger. But see above for my technical knowledge. Got distracted, am currently using IE to view the site and did so yesterday, the 2nd, as well.

Does anyone know if this has anything to do with the competitive changes that the sale of Haloscan to JS-Kit might cause?

O/T-I noticed that Richard Holbrooke was scheduled for one of the Sunday talk shows and cancelled. Happy feet?

Posted by: Pat Patterson Author Profile Page at August 4, 2008 1:12 AM

No, not everyone can switch to firefox. Let's say you're browsing at work, for example, and they don't allow you to download other programs. So you get stuck with IE even if you'd rather use Firefox.

not that I would ever ever ever do anything not work-related, of course.

Posted by: Cam Author Profile Page at August 5, 2008 1:13 PM

I use a webkit based browser on a Nokia mobile phone and it doesn't work here. Now on Firefox on WInXP.

Posted by: Graham Author Profile Page at August 5, 2008 9:44 PM

Great video reporting that I believe Totten's ideology does not allow him to report:

Posted by: Graham Author Profile Page at August 5, 2008 9:48 PM

Typical Totten and his pro-Firefox bias. Who from Mozilla is paying you?!! Why don't you post Microsoft's side of the story, or talk to actual IE7 users instead of being seduced by Firefox propaganda. Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.

Posted by: Dave Author Profile Page at August 6, 2008 10:51 AM

unless you've had to dumb-code websites for sub-CSS IE7 standards, you are merely a rep of the doofus users who help keep the Web MS-stupified.


Posted by: Brian H Author Profile Page at August 23, 2008 7:18 PM

Just got pointed over here by a friend's blog, and wanted to point out a link of some relevance. See, I still develop sites that have to run in IE5/5.5/6/7, and I always thought MS had done a splendid job, really first rate, at fixing IE6's remaining bugs and producing a good solid browser. And to be honest, I've had much less trouble with IE from about 5.5 onwards than I did with any version 4 browser, even Netscape, so they're not completely crap. But this rather ugly website has a comprehensive list of the bugs that still remain in IE7, and the situation is not rosy. Really not rosy.

Firefox is certainly a superior product. It's fast and standards-compliant, and unlike its fellow rebels Opera and Safari it's free software (free to use and modify, not just free of charge) and that makes a significant difference in the long term, even to people who don't care about geek politics. Anything is better than IE for the present, but Firefox is better for the future.

Posted by: Eric TF Bat Author Profile Page at August 27, 2008 4:53 PM

I have used IE for years and have 7 now. My family and I have constant problems with 7, such as SLOW page loading, VERY SLOW page closing, and sudden page closings. I was contemplating on upgrading to 8, but with vast hesitation. I have never had these kind of problems with Firefox and the only reason I use IE 7 are because some of my programs, attachments from emails, and some email programs are not compatible with Firefox. If Firefox was all-compatible, I would boot IE off my computer.


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