January 09, 2007

“So This Is Our Victory”

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BINT JBAIL, SOUTH LEBANON – I drove to Hezbollah’s stronghold in South Lebanon to survey the devastation from the war in July, to check in on the United Nations peacekeeping force, and to talk to civilians who were used as human shields in the battle with Israel. My American journalist friend Noah Pollak from Azure Magazine in Jerusalem went with me. We went under the escort of two professional enemies of Hezbollah who work for the Lebanese Committee for UNSCR 1559, an NGO which closely advises the Lebanese government and the international community on the disarmament of illegal militias in Lebanon.

The two men picked us up at our hotel first thing in the morning.

Said (pronounced Sah-EED) rode up to the front door on his motorcycle. Henry arrived in his car.

“Good morning, gentlemen,” Said said as he shook our hands. “Shall we go in your car?”

“If you prefer,” I said.

It was probably better that way. Hezbollah Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah hysterically accuses Toni Nissi, the man Henry and Said work for, of heading up “the Beirut branch of the Israeli Mossad.” Best, I thought, to show up in Hezbollah’s bombed-out southern “capital” of Bint Jbail in a rental car rather than one that might be recognized.

It’s not worth taking Hezbollah’s “Mossad” accusation seriously. Nasrallah also says Prime Minister Fouad Seniora is a “Zionist hand” because he is pushing for Hezbollah’s disarmament.

“Let me drive,” Said said. “It is better. We know the best roads to take.”

Toni insisted these guys were the best. Not only do they know their way around the back roads of South Lebanon, they are battle-hardened infantry veterans of Lebanon’s civil war. I seriously doubted we would need their services as trained killers, but it was nice to have that skill set in our back pockets while venturing into the heartland of an illegal warmongering militia. Every Lebanese person I know insists Hezbollah won’t actually harm American journalists, and I believe them. It has been a while since Hezbollah has violently terrorized Western civilians in Lebanon. But the very same people strongly insisted Noah and I not go to the South by ourselves.

Normally you can drive from Beirut to the fence on the Israeli border in just over two hours. Lebanon, though, isn’t normal right now, especially not in the South. The Israeli Air Force bombed most, if not all, the bridges on the coastal highway. Reconstruction moved along quickly enough, but snarled traffic had to be re-routed around the construction sites, at times onto side roads that were too narrow and small to handle the overflow.

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A bridge destroyed by the Israeli Air Force under reconstruction

“What do you think about Israel’s invasion in July?” I asked Said and Henry.

“Of course what Israel did wasn’t good,” Said said. “They only care about themselves. Hezbollah doesn’t pay taxes, so the rest of us have to pay for all the infrastructure the Israelis destroyed.”

“What do you think about Israel in general?” I said. “Aside from the war in July?”

“I have nothing against Israel,” Henry said. “They are good people and they do good for themselves. We need to make peace with everyone. They are open-minded people, but we have no way to communicate with them since the Syrians came.”

“I would love to visit the Holy Land,” Said said. “My mother went there when the border was open before 2000. It is a good place. If you want to make peace with people, you can make peace, especially with the Israelis. They just want to live in their country, so it is no problem.”

“Is UNIFIL doing much in the South?” Noah asked from the back seat.

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Azure Magazine Assistant Editor Noah Pollak

The United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon is widely assumed to be doing little aside from impotently standing around while Hezbollah reconstitutes its weapon stocks for the next round of war.

“The multinational forces don’t have the authority to stop Hezbollah unless they are smuggling weapons out in the open,” Said said. “The Lebanese army is not taking sides because of the volatile political situation and the violent clashes taking place in Beirut.”

The Lebanese army has actually confiscated a small amount of Hezbollah’s weapons smuggled in from across the Syrian border. One of Hassan Nasrallah’s recent demands is the return of those weapons from the army, even though Hezbollah’s existence as an autonomous militia is against Lebanese and international law.

Said is right, though, that the army does not have the authority to disarm Hezbollah. Hezbollah is better-armed, better-trained, and overall more powerful than the army, which suffered 15 years of deliberate neglect and degradation under Syrian overlordship. Some of the army’s top officers were also installed by the Syrians, and they are still loyal to the regime in Damascus. Most important, though, are fears that the army would break apart along sectarian lines if orders to militarily disarm Hezbollah were given. The army split during the civil war, after all, and would likely do so again. More than a third of the soldiers are Shia conscripts. Many are more loyal to Hezbollah than they are to the legal authorities.

“The Lebanese army is partly controlled by Syria, not like before 1975,” Henry said. “Before 1975 the Lebanese army was pro-Western and neutral toward Israel.”

As we left the city and the suburbs behind, apartment towers were replaced on the side of the road with soft beaches and the floppy leaves of banana trees. The weather was still warm and sunny even late in the year. Lebanon, as always, looked greener than I remember it when I am away.

“How badly was the South hit in July and August?” I asked.

Said laughed and shook his head. “You will see, my friend. You will see.”

We passed through the conservative Sunni coastal city of Saida, where former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri was born, and continued down along the Mediterranean toward the southern city of Tyre.

“What exactly, for the record, do you guys do in your organization?” I said.

“We advise the international community on how to implement UN Resolution 1559,” Said said. “And we try to convince Lebanon to be less conservative, more open and liberal and democratic. We try to convince the international community that most of us are not fanatics, to make Lebanon a good example for everyone. We want to live our lives as free people like you do in the US and Europe. We have a right.”

“The Hezbollah camp downtown is ugly,” Henry said. “This is not us. But it shows the world our differences. Most people think we live in a desert and ride camels and are all Muslims.”

“Hezbollah is trying to distract the world from Iran’s nuclear bomb,” Said said, “by making trouble in Lebanon, killings, dissolving the government, and so on. Can you imagine what Iran would do if they got the nuclear bomb? My God. Even right now they do what they want and don’t listen to anyone.”

A young man stood in the middle of an intersection and waved glossy pamphlets at cars. Said pulled alongside him and said something in Arabic.

“What is he handing out?” Noah said and rolled down his window.

“Hezbollah propaganda,” Henry said.

Said stepped on the accelerator.

Noah tried to grab one of the pamphlets.

“I want one of those,” he said. But the Hezbollah man kept the pamphlets tightly clutched in his fingers.

“He is selling them,” Said said, “not giving them away.”

“Oops,” Noah said. “I wasn’t trying to steal one.”

“He doesn’t care about money or propaganda,” Said said. “He is watching. This is the beginning of their territory. He reports on who is coming and what they are doing.”

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Hassan Nasrallah (left) and Nabih Berri (right) announce to motorists that they are entering Hezbollah and Amal territory.

“Whenever you see something blown up from here,” Henry said, “it is because it was owned by Hezbollah people or because Hezbollah had something to do with it.”

If you’re familiar with Lebanese politics it’s obvious whose territory you’re in just by looking at roadside political adverts and posters. The Shia regions are divided between the Hezbollah and Amal parties. Amal, also known as the Movement of the Disinherited, is Hezbollah’s sometime rival and sometime ally. It’s a secular party that was founded by the Iranian cleric Moussa Sadr to advance the interests of the long-neglected and voiceless Shia, the poorest and most marginalized Lebanese sect. Speaker of Parliament Nabih Berri is the chief of Amal today, and he has forged an uneasy alliance with Hezbollah and with the Syrians. Berri’s face is plastered up everywhere in Amal strongholds, and Nasrallah’s face is even more ubiquitous in Hezbollah territory. Occasionally you’ll see both Berri and Nasrallah together.

What you rarely see in either Hezbollah or Amal areas are Lebanese flags. The Sunni, Druze, and Christian parts of Lebanon are blanketed with the national cedar tree flag, as well as those of various political parties and movements. Only the Shia towns and villages are bereft of noticeable signs of patriotism.

Another striking difference between the Shia regions of Lebanon and the rest is which kind of “martyrs” are famous. Hezbollah and Amal strongholds venerate “resistance” fighters killed in battles with Israel.

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You never see anything like this in the Sunni, Christian, or Druze parts of the country. Instead you’ll see portraits of more liberal and moderate Lebanese who were car-bombed by the Syrians.

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A poster of Samir Kassir, journalist and activist with the Movement of the Democratic Left, murdered last year by a Syrian car bomb.

Hezbollah glorifies violence and mayhem and murder.

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The severed head of an Israeli is shown held up by its hair on one of Hezbollah’s billboards

In the rest of the country you see appeals to peace and life instead.

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“No War” stickers left over from the conflict in July are common in Beirut.

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The “I Love Life” campaign is intended to counter Hezbollah’s warmongering and “martyrdom” culture.

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A “Wage Peace” billboard in the northern suburbs of Beirut

Last year a series of billboards all over Beirut said Say No to Anger, Say No to War, and Say No to Terrorism. Hezbollah would never allow anything of the sort to be erected in their parts of Lebanon, even though I know lots of Shia who agree with those sentiments.

The majority of the people in the South are Shia, but there are some Christian, Sunni, and Druze villages, too.

“The Christians down here are cornered,” Henry said. He could have mentioned that the Sunni and Druze are, as well. “They have no freedom of movement. They only have freedom of speech inside their own villages. Outside their villages they can’t speak or talk to the press unless they leave the South.”

“They have been a long time under Hezbollah control,” Said said. “It’s the same scenario as 1975, only with different players.”

The situation is eerily much like it was in 1975 when Lebanon descended into 15 years of hell and chaos and war. Yasser Arafat’s Palestinian Liberation Organization used South Lebanon as a launching pad for terrorist raids into Israel. The Shia who lived there were fiercely opposed to having their land used in this way for a foreigner’s war. Lebanon’s Christians also stridently opposed the use of their country as a battleground by Palestinians. But Lebanon’s Sunni community allowed and even encouraged Yasser Arafat to build himself a state-within-a-state in West Beirut. Street clashes between Christians and Palestinians sparked what eventually became a war of all-against-all that shattered the government and drew in the Syrians, the Iranians, the Americans, and the Israelis.

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“Israel was surprised by the war this summer because they neglected Hezbollah after 2000,” Said said. Prime Minister Ehud Barak withdrew the Israeli occupation forces from the “security belt” in South Lebanon in 2000, and wrongly assumed the Lebanese army would take control of the area. Hezbollah moved in instead and immediately dug in for more war. “Nasrallah will go all the way now unless Seniora and Hariri surrender. Only if they surrender will Nasrallah spare them from the final solution.”

This struck me as a bit on the paranoid side. Hezbollah can almost certainly win a defensive war against fellow Lebanese, but no one is strong enough to conquer and rule the whole country.

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Iran’s dead tyrant Ayatollah Khomeini lives on as a poster boy in South Lebanon

As we drove through a small village an imam screamed slogans in angry Arabic from the muezzin’s speaker atop a mosque minaret. It was a sharp contrast to what I’m used to hearing from the mosques in Beirut. There the muezzin’s call to prayer is hauntingly beautiful and genuinely spiritual, as though the muezzin himself is no longer tethered to this world. I miss the unearthly singing when I’m in Christian Beirut and when I’m at home.

“What is he saying?” I asked.

“It is about Palestine,” Said said. He listened. “He is saying If we win this fight against the Seniora conspiracy we will only have Palestine to liberate. We won’t have Israel as an obstacle.”

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Shrapnel tore holes through a Hezbollah billboard

“They won’t have Israel as an obstacle?” Noah said in a bemused tone of voice.

“Ha, ha, ha, I like this guy,” Henry said.

A convoy of Lebanese army trucks headed north.

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“One thing we are worried about,” Said said, “is the weakening of the South because the army has to go north. This is part of the plan.”

We ventured deeper into the South, into the steep rolling hills that make up the region known as the Upper Galilee.

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“It’s beautiful here,” Noah said, and kept saying. He had never been there before. “This would be a great place for an artist’s retreat if it weren’t so dangerous.”

“Beautiful country, fanatic people,” Said said.

Most of the villages and towns were more or less intact.

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We did, however, drive past the occasional damaged house or places where buildings recently stood and that now were fields of cleared rubble.

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Dour-looking men stood on street corners and in the middle of intersections and carefully watched all the cars and people who entered the area.

“You see the watchers?” Said said.

“Yep,” I said. “They couldn’t be any more obvious. Can we get out and talk to people around here?”

“I do not recommend it,” Said said. “They cannot talk freely. These watchers will come up to us if we get out of the car, and they will make sure anyone who talks to us only tells us what they are supposed to say.”

Soon we reached Bint Jbail, Hezbollah’s de-facto “capital” in South Lebanon. The outskirts were mostly undamaged, but the city looks now like a donut. Downtown was almost completely demolished by air strikes and artillery.

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“So this is our victory,” Said said. “This is how Hezbollah wins. Israel destroys our country while they sleep safely and soundly in theirs.”

Said parked in the center of what used to be the central market area. The four of us got out of the car. Noah and I walked around, dizzied by the extent of the 360-degree devastation.

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Three severe-looking men walked up to Said and Henry.

“Who are they, who are you, and what are you doing?” said the man in charge.

“They are international reporters,” Henry said. Notice that he did not say we were American reporters. “They are here to document Israel’s destruction of our country.”

The men seemed satisfied with that answer and left us alone. Presumably they would continue to leave us alone as long as we didn’t try to interview any civilians. I was glad Henry and Said were there with us. They were the ones asked to do the explaining rather than Noah and me.

I kept snapping pictures.

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“Oh man,” Noah said. “Some real pain got dropped on this place.”

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The photos don’t do “justice” to the extent of the damage. The destruction was panoramic and near-absolute in the city center.

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Apparently the outskirts of town were not seen as threatening by the Israelis. Most of Bint Jbail beyond downtown was unscathed.

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We got back in the car. Said looked for the road to Maroun al-Ras, the next hollowed-out southern town on our itinerary. The streets, though, were confusing now that many landmarks no longer existed. Only after a few laps around town could Said re-orient himself.

“Three times on the same road, not good,” Henry said.

It looked – and felt – totalitarian in Bint Jbail. Everyone watched us. If Said was right that the locals weren’t allowed to speak freely (assuming they dissented from Nasrallah’s party line) it must feel totalitarian to people who live there as well.

I asked one of my Shia friends who grew up in Hezbollah’s dahiyeh south of Beirut what would happen if he said “I hate Hezbollah” outside his house on the street.

“I’d get my ass kicked,” he said. “No one would do that.”

We reached Maroun al-Ras only a few minutes after leaving Bint Jbail. This was the first Lebanese village seized by the Israeli Defense Forces during the war. The scene was familiar – much of the center of town had been reduced to rubble.

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One site stood out, though. At the top of a hill overlooking the Israeli border stood a mostly intact mosque surrounded by panoramic destruction.

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Israel may have over-reacted in July and selected targets (the milk factory, bridges in the north, etc.) that should not have been hit. But the stark scene on the hill of Maroun al-Ras demonstrated that the Israeli military did not bomb indiscriminately as many have claimed. Unlike Hezbollah, the Israelis are able to hit what they want and they don’t shoot at everything. That mosque wouldn’t be standing if they dropped bombs and artillery randomly in the villages.

“My mother is from Deir Mimas,” Said said. “In July Hezbollah brought their weapons out of the caves and valleys and into the village. My family has a small house there that was burned during the war.”

“I’m sorry,” I said.

“Eh,” Said said. “It’s okay. It is fixed now. Anyway, at first Hezbollah fired their missiles from groves of olive trees. Then they got hit by the Israelis. So they moved into Deir Mimas because the other nearby option was Kfar Kila. Hezbollah didn’t want the Shia villages hit, so they moved into Christian villages instead.”

That sounded right. I recently saw Kfar Kila from the Israeli side. The town is literally right on the border, only twenty feet or so from the fence next to the Israeli town of Metulla. I saw no damage whatsoever in Kfar Kila – and this was one day before the end of the war – but I did hear machine gun fire in the streets ominously close to where I was standing.

The four of us arrived in the Christian village of Ein Ebel just outside Bint Jbail. A man was there waiting for us who would tell us about Hezbollah’s brutal siege of his town in July.

First we stopped for lunch, though, and ordered some pizza and sandwiches. As Said parked the car he turned the dial on the car stereo.

“Do you hear them?” he said. “Do you hear the Israelis?”

Sure enough, scratchy voices in Hebrew came through the crackling static.

“Yep,” I said. “Those are Israelis.”

“We are right next to the border,” Henry said.

We went into the restaurant. Henry and I sat at a table while we waited for food. Said hovered over us, as did Noah with his camera.

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“We have been screaming about this conflict for 30 years now,” Henry said as he dealt himself a hand of Solitaire from a deck of cards in his pocket. “But no one ever listened to us. Not until September 11. Now you know how we feel all the time. You have to keep up the pressure. You can never let go, not for one day, one hour, not for one second. The minute you let go, Michael, they will fight back and get stronger. This is the problem with your foreign policy.”

“Since 1975 we have been fighting for the free world,” Said said. “We are on the front lines. Why doesn’t the West understand this? America can withdraw from Iraq, you can go back to Oregon, but we are stuck here. We have to stay and live with what happens.”

To be continued…

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Posted by Michael J. Totten at January 9, 2007 12:01 AM

Comments

~~~The Shia who lived there were fiercely opposed to having their land used in this way for a foreigner’s war.~~~

I truely wondered what happened in the first Lebanon war that has turned the cards around like this that now this seems to be one of the main objectives to be reached by shia's??
What did the IDF do (those days) to turn a 'friend' into an 'enemy'?

Posted by: tsedek at January 9, 2007 12:54 AM

Tsedek,

I would guess that the Iranian Islamic revolution in 1979 may have had a big hand in radicalizing the Shia population. Also, people simply don't like to be occupied, for whatever reason, especially Arabs occupied by Jews.

Posted by: Zak at January 9, 2007 01:13 AM

Thank you Zak -
but.. I've heard the IDF was welcomed into the south of Lebanon when they first 'arrived' (and the iranian revolution was 2 years before that) - why would this attitude turn around as a leaf? They 'overstayed' their welcome? It's very puzzling to me...

Posted by: tsedek at January 9, 2007 01:35 AM

Perhaps they welcomed the IDF for pushing the PLO out of their villages in the South, but turned on them once Israel allied with the Christians. The same thing happened to the Americans, no?

Posted by: M.Corilianus at January 9, 2007 01:49 AM

Michael, this was way BEYOND journalism. This whole series is a window into the soul of a country, underneath all the complexities. Thank you.

Posted by: M.Corilianus at January 9, 2007 02:00 AM

thx corilianus.
if that's true then one cannot blame them for their present feelings towards israel - but still i don't understand why then the external war for the palestinians seem to have become a main objective. just oustering and fighting israel from within their positions should be enough then.
what has happened in 20-some years that has changed that mind-set?

Posted by: tsedek at January 9, 2007 02:13 AM

Tsedek: what has happened in 20-some years that has changed that mind-set?

Hezbollah and the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 9, 2007 02:17 AM

indoctrination.... manipulation - taking advantage of the wounded feelings of people

thanks MJT - now I start to understand...

Posted by: tsedek at January 9, 2007 02:32 AM

Abraham~ Let's do one better: YOU go to Southern Lebanon, and then we'll read what You have to report on the situation.

'tis only fair, yes?

Keep up the good work, Michael. Your efforts have filled in a lot of gaps.

Posted by: Otter at January 9, 2007 04:52 AM

Tsedek,

The brutality of the Israeli occupation turned the Shia against Israel and contributed to the founding of Hezbollah.

Posted by: Richard at January 9, 2007 05:16 AM

Fine, Richard - but... that explains for the hate towards Israel, but not for the re-thinking wanting to fight someone-else's war. No?

Posted by: tsedek at January 9, 2007 05:21 AM

Tsedek,

The brutality of the Israeli occupation turned the Shia against Israel and contributed to the founding of Hezbollah.

What brutality are you referring to? From what I understand, the Israelis did not fight with the Shia of S. Leb. until after the Shia began fighting the Israeli occupation.

I believe there was an incident when an Israeli column drove through and interrupted an Ashura festival, which was stupid and thoughtless. But could you please illustrate how Israeli "brutality" was the catalyst for Shia militancy against Israel?

Posted by: Zak at January 9, 2007 06:18 AM

Oh, MJT, I forgot to tell you how much I've been enjoying your reports. Great work!

Posted by: Zak at January 9, 2007 06:20 AM

That poster or w.e. it was wasn't telling people they were now in hizbollah territory, it said on it "Together we are victors".

And it's not true people in south lebanon are controlled by hizbollah or anyone else. I have sworn at Hizbollah men men from before, like 3 years ago, because they had booked the football pitch we were playing in and took up the play to play themselves. All they did was tell me that its rude to swear.

And i know pubs that serve alchohol in the south, hizb allah didn't burn any of them down etc and i know many who are against hizbollah and say so, but hizbollah never interferes with them. Why don't you write about them?!?

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 9, 2007 06:25 AM

Zak, that was Richard's comment, not mine.

It is so important to know the chronological turn of events that time, I think - Because Israeli soldiers as well are 'complaining' about the ruthlesness of the ones they were fighting in S. Lebanon that time.

Posted by: tsedek at January 9, 2007 06:41 AM

Mike:

This comment is a little off subject as I wanted to thank you for the fine reporting you did in the Kurdistan region of Iraq a while back. I'm a fan of Michelle Malkin and left a comment on the Big Lizard's site (he is subbing for her while she's away) that I'd like to see her, as well as other bloggers, reporting on the success story of the Kurds, rather than haring off on a snipe hunt for the phantom 'Jamil'. Another reader left the link to your writings and I'm very glad to have gotten it.

I've spent most the evening reading your reports on the Kurds and your more recent reports on the situation in Lebanon. You write very well and give a well organized presentation. Keep up the good work.

BTW: I was born in Forest Grove, which used to be some distance from Portland, but which is now probably a suburb. Haven't been back in a long time.

Posted by: H.Short at January 9, 2007 07:07 AM

Great article. I love the billboard juxtaposition. Classic.

Even more fascinating is the totally predictable breathless responses from Hezzi fans, who tend to capitalise everything except the first letter of a new sentence. What's with that?

I feel like I should save them the trouble and just provide them with a stock rant that can be used for every one of your articles:

"Hey totten, WTF? do u know anything man? can u even speak arabic? don't u know hizbullah rules and is LOVED by 99.9% of the population and is totally cool and peaceful and only wants TRUTH and JUSTICE and the LEBANESE WAY against the murderous child KILLING zionist imperialist expansionist colonialist sadistic jews. of course we dont hate JEWS only the zionist arab killing ones. and the ones who live in "israel". and the ones in america who control hollywood, the media, the whitehouse and the INTERNET. they probably pay u too right. anyway, forgot to mention that bush is a nazi. and america does lots of REALLY bad evil stuff man. like BOMBING japan really recently and selling really fatty HAMBURGERS and opening friggin STARBUCKS in every friggin corner of the UNIVERSE and hizbullah NEVER does anything bad and even though we say some bad things sometimes we dont really mean them and they were probably made up anyway by some zionist jew memri new york times CONSPIRACY. geez man don't u get it. we r VICTIMS."

Posted by: Mertel at January 9, 2007 07:31 AM

Michael, your columns are terrific, but this one was specially good...you moved me to send you a few bucks, and I'm a cheapskate. Hope others support you too....

Posted by: BillBC at January 9, 2007 09:12 AM

Abraham is banned and his comments are routinely deleted. Do not respond to him.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 9, 2007 09:56 AM

That poster or w.e. it was wasn't telling people they were now in hizbollah territory, it said on it "Together we are victors".

That wasn't intended as a translation.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 9, 2007 09:57 AM

Another great article.

You show a picture of the bridge being rebuilt, but I didn't see many pictures of the rest of southern Lebanon being rebuilt. Did you see a lot of clean up work going on in those devastated areas?

Posted by: Jeff at January 9, 2007 10:54 AM

Jeff,

I saw some reconstruction in Ein Ebel. In Bint Jbail and Maroun al-Ras I didn't see much of anything in the way of reconstruction except that most of the rubble had been cleared out of the way.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 9, 2007 11:13 AM

RE: Reconstruction.

So where are all the fake US Dollars?

Fantastic Article, MJT. Why can't the MSM do this?

Posted by: AG in Houston at January 9, 2007 11:44 AM

Ye, which shows how much the government is failing its own people, doesn't it?

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 9, 2007 11:48 AM

Why can't the MSM do this?

Because we don't have journalism anymore, we have a profitable industry that figured out a few decades ago that you can dress up a content-free tabloid with a stuffed shirt idiot Ted Baxter and create non-news for free that sells and makes profit.

Real journalism makes enemies and thus costs money. That's completely unacceptably anymore, so it's against the rules.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 9, 2007 11:49 AM

Imagine if CNN pissed off Hezbollah by telling the true a few times? Then they'd no longer get free pictures and "access" to lying Hez flacks. Catastrophy! Why their insurance rates would go up, and writing their own stories would mean they'd no longer be the first with the story and they'd actually have to pay a journalist to go to the place and cover it rather than getting a quick photo op. My God, do you think they're made of money?

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 9, 2007 11:54 AM

Besides, intelligent journalists who are capable of writing their own stories don't fit into the industry. The job of a journalist is to sell a content free piece of shit, with full confidence as if it contained truth. And of course the main qualification for that kind of job is indelible idiocy.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 9, 2007 11:56 AM

Hezbollah Lover: Ye, which shows how much the government is failing its own people, doesn't it?

Assistance from the Lebanese government in Hezbollah-controlled areas is not allowed by Hezbollah. This is the only way Hezbollah can earn points for "charity." You know it, too, although I'm sure you'll deny it.

Anyway, that's why you see reconstruction in the public areas (roads, etc.) and in the Christian towns, but not in Hezbollah's territory.

Hezbollah is (sometimes) good at propaganda and manipulation, and not a lot else.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 9, 2007 12:06 PM

dear michael,
i started thinking that you are paid for what you are doing coz you have zero objectivity, why don't you listen to the other opinion, oh god you said that they are afraid to talk? would you plz tell me base on what you made this assumption? did you talk to anybody and see if he responds or not?
you only listen for the things that you like to listen to. what a great reporter you are?
your friends henry and said doesnt even represent 1% of lebanese opinion, they are clearly sectarian and still living under the fantasm of the idiology of the lebanese forces.

Posted by: cynthia at January 9, 2007 12:27 PM

Cynthia, I quoted several Hezbollah supporters in previous articles. I haven't quoted any Hezbollah opponents until today. So you need to calm down. You can always read something else.

Yes, I am being paid to write these articles by the people who read this Web site.

your friends henry and said doesnt even represent 1% of lebanese opinion

Oh, bullshit. You live in an alternate universe.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 9, 2007 12:33 PM

yes true, you quote what hezbollah supporteres said, adding to them some fats from here salt from there, and most important your biased jugment towards them (terorrist, fanatics,idiots, laughing behind their backs) how great, they must send you a thanking present.

Posted by: cynthia at January 9, 2007 01:02 PM

Cynthia, if you're going to come here and support Hezbollah, say something interesting. Otherwise, leave.

I have no more patience for this bullshit.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 9, 2007 01:13 PM

H Lover-

How are people able to say that HA is GOOD for Lebanon?

Let's say for a second that Michael is wrong about HA allowing the Lebanese government into the area it controls. Wouldn't a competent authority rebuild their supporters homes before they stage demonstrations in their country's capitol city?

Assuming Michael is accurate and HA is NOT letting the government rebuild the devastated areas, they are at hest cynical opportunists gathering power off the misery of their own supporters.

Forget what you think about other actors in this. In this instance HA is either incompetent or cynical manipulators.

So far I see no evidence on how HA is actually good for Lebanon. You may agree with their goals, but can you honestly believe that their methods are effective?

You say you are a smart fellow. I suggest you consider judging a political organization by what they say, not what they do.

Posted by: Jef at January 9, 2007 01:26 PM

"Assistance from the Lebanese government in Hezbollah-controlled areas is not allowed by Hezbollah."

Sounds interesting, the sort of thing guaranteed to perpetuate Shia charges of neglect by the central government. Quotes? Proof?

Posted by: Solomon2 at January 9, 2007 01:30 PM

Solomon, they have a sovereign state-within-a-state. Lebanon suffers a schism. Hezbollah has parallel institutions for literally everything. Until August the Lebanese government, police, and army weren't even allowed to set foot in Hezbollah areas. This is still true in the dahiyeh, but at least the army has moved to the border. It is going to take a long time before the government has any actual authority over the whole country.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 9, 2007 01:37 PM

thanks michael for the report and the pictures. the only observations are of your escorts. Although I do understand their anger and agree with some of it, I noticed that your escorts seem more sectarian rather than secular.
They would only refer to the christians grievances and as though the christians are the only sects with grievances with hez.
the last question is what was henry refering to when he said "we have been screaming about this conflict......now you know how we feel all of the time"? is he speaking about all muslims in general?
I don't want to assume, but from what he was saying, he seems just as sectarian as "radicals" that he was speaking of.
peace

Posted by: buckeye at January 9, 2007 02:10 PM

Yes, Buckeye, Henry is a bit sectarian. I pointed that out myself at one point.

Almost everyone in Lebanon is sectarian, even those who try hard not to be. That is just the way Lebanon is.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 9, 2007 02:11 PM

Michael I am so addicted to your blog. The more you write the greedier I get and I'm jumping up and down on pins and needles for each installment. The pictures are fantastic, the background information on the social and political history of the region and the various parties is so important and so well-done, the conversations you report add so much richness, and your experiences and your bravery simply leave me breathless and awe-struck.

Posted by: Yael at January 9, 2007 02:12 PM

By the way, buckeye, my problem with Hezbollah is not that they are Shia or sectarian. I am not Lebanese and I don't think in categories like these.

The problem with Hezbollah is that they start wars and get lots of people killed for no good reason.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 9, 2007 02:13 PM

yes michael, i agree with your assesment of hez and their lawlessness. Iam of lebanese decent that lives in columbus ohio (hence the buckeye), and even here, in the states, the arguments with those that support hez (mostly shia), is reminiscent of bush with the "you are either with us or with the terrorists".
thanks for the posts and I agree with yael, the convos add richness.

Posted by: buckeye at January 9, 2007 02:38 PM

"Only the Shia towns and villages are bereft of noticeable signs of patriotism."

Only the Arab's did not show signs of patrotism to/for their country? Thats interesting.

Posted by: Ron Snyder at January 9, 2007 03:09 PM

Only the Arab's did not show signs of patrotism to/for their country? Thats interesting.

That's not what I said at all.

Most Lebanese self-identify as Arabs, especially the Sunnis.

Most Druze self-identify as Arabs.

Most Orthodox Christians self-identify as Arabs.

The Maronites are the only group that predominantly do not.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 9, 2007 03:35 PM

Great series MJT.

And thanks for setting a low tolerance level for idiocy.

Posted by: JoseyWales at January 9, 2007 04:37 PM

MJT, my education continues, and my comment was poorly phrased; had I said that "only the Shia (presumably Muslim and self-identified as Arabs) did not show signs of patrotism to/for their country? Thats interesting.", it would have been more accurate.

I find the Middle Eastern ethnic/racial/tribal/religious groupings (self or otherwise identifed) to be even more challenging to understand than that of the Balkans.

JoseyWales, idiocy is a bit different from ignorance or misunderstanding, though your thoughts are appreciated and a less glib response would have been nice.

Posted by: Ron Snyder at January 9, 2007 05:54 PM

Mr. Totten,

After reading the responses of the pro and anti Hizb'Allah commenters, I now see why Lebanon is in the mess it is in, and why a solution is not going to be easy.

The situation in Lebanon is a microcosm of the World at large, and were one to witness a peaceful resolution to the seeming stalemate in Lebanon, perhaps there is hope for the rest of the World. We shall see, Michael, but thank you for providing us a window into Lebanon.

Isn't understanding the problem 90% of finding a solution to it?

Posted by: templar knight at January 9, 2007 06:10 PM

Josh and Buckeye, you two are talking (insulting) right past each other. Neither of you are reading very carefully what the other has written. You don't disagree as much as it appears.

Josh, Buckeye is not a Hezbollah supporter.

And Buckeye, Josh's point about American war criminals is that we Americans despise them for what they have done, not that they do not exist.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 9, 2007 06:17 PM

And by the way, Buckeye, the whole "Jews killed Jesus" thing is just anti-Semitic propaganda. Jesus was killed by the Roman Empire.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 9, 2007 06:19 PM

My last two comments should have been in the "Links" thread, not this one. Sorry.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 9, 2007 06:20 PM

Another great post, Michael. Very good story - and you're upsetting all the right people - congrats.

Unlike Hezbollah, the Israelis are able to hit what they want

A high percentage of the time, yes, but clearly not always - such is the state of war, unfortunately.

Still, the photo of that mosque and its surroundings is amazing.

“Beautiful country, fanatic people,” Said said.

Too bad. The Galilee in Israel is one of my favorite parts of the country.

Question for MJT, Josey or any Lebanese or Israeli.

Why are there no Shia Israeli Arabs/Where did the Lebanese Shia come from?

There are obviously Sunni Muslims, Christians and Druze in both Northern Israel and Lebanon (and I know there are some familial relations between Israeli and Lebanese Arabs/Druze) - but I've never heard of any Shia population in Northern Israel - which seems strange since they're so predominant in Southern Lebanon in close proximity.

Is there an interesting (or not so interesting) story behind that?

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: SoCalJustice at January 9, 2007 06:22 PM

What did the IDF do (those days) to turn a 'friend' into an 'enemy'?

They were never "friends" in the first place. They simply didn't offer organized resistance to the Israeli invasion... For a while. Then they did.

Israel didn't exactly attempt to suck up to them, either. The invasion of Lebanon was based upon propping up a particularly violent and corrupt faction of Maronite Christians who would be willing to sign a peace treaty with Israel in exchange for Israel's armed might guaranteeing the suppression of their largely Sunni, PLO-allied opponents.

The shia were in the Israeli invasion route and lived along their supply lines. That was all anyone - Israeli, Maronite Christian, or Sunni Muslim - knew or cared about them at the time. They weren't part of anyone's plans.

Iran was a source of weapons and ideology for the Shiites at an opportune time, but the pre-war Lebanese political system was a violent tinderbox, akin to Hussein's Iraq. Crack the skin of control, and... kaboom. It wasn't dependent on Iran. There's a media universe in the Arab world and it wasn't exactly friendly to Arab leaders being picked by Israeli generals.

There's a lot of rose-colored glassing about Lebanon around here, as if Hizballah arrived in a special-delivery Fedex package. The truth is, an Israeli-manipulated regime change in Beirut backed by 100,000 troops and months of bombings on CNN didn't really need a lot of help to become wildly unpopular.

Also, the South Lebanese Army that Israel set up to try and maintain control in their security belt developed a reputation for barbarity. Not that they were less barbaric than Hizballah, who once had a CIA chief skinned alive - or the Maronite Christians, or anyone else anywhere near power in Lebanon.

They cheered Israel, but they also cheered the Syrians. In the midst of a gang war, armies are cheered.

Posted by: glasnost at January 9, 2007 06:34 PM

I'd like to see her, as well as other bloggers, reporting on the success story of the Kurds, rather than haring off on a snipe hunt for the phantom 'Jamil'.

Jamil's a real guy. Michelle Malkin's snipe hunt endangered his career and probably his life.

Posted by: glasnost at January 9, 2007 06:39 PM

I am an avid reader of Dean's World and just starting reading your columns. You are a gifted journalist. I forgot they existed. You help me explain to my children what is really going on in the Middle East. Thank you!

I will continue to subscribe and pay for your writing.

Dean

P.S I am not sure who Scott Kirwin is, but he did a good job of letting those new to using this media of just how we should pay for it. I think many of us did not understand how the economics work. But now that I do, I am more then happy to pay. I pledge to subscribe weekly.

Posted by: Dean at January 9, 2007 07:19 PM

This is some of the best reporting - if not THE best - I've ever read from the middle east. Amazing. Why can't the big media outlets, with all their money and equipment, be even a tenth as clear, honest and real?

I remember how elated I felt a couple of years ago when it looked like Lebanon would be free. All the 'protest babes' and the smiling faces. Finally! I thought, another normal middle eastern country that wants to live and enjoy all the wonders of the 21st century. And then. . . gone. And you heard not a word about it. Until this summer. Then there were a bunch of stories about Israeli bombing (straight from Hezbollah apparently), and then that ended, and now, again, nothing. Why oh why does our media suck so badly?

Anyway, thank goodness for Michael.

Posted by: Dyema at January 9, 2007 07:29 PM

Glanost, although it isn't the point of the thread:

AP quoted "Capt. Hussein" 61 times, by name, and describing where he worked. It beggars belief that questioning either his existence or his accuracy is what endangered him. Unless by asking the questions someone may have believed the jig was up and he needed to be killed to prevent him from being questioned.

Should we uncritically believe a source because proving his story will cause those using him to harm him?

Posted by: SDN at January 9, 2007 07:38 PM

Questions for Michael and other knowledgeable commentators...

Why are the Shia the poorest Lebanese sect? How did they come that way? Who keeps them that way?

I echo the sentiments of Dyema, this is some of the best reporting I have read from the Middle East.

Posted by: Lazar at January 9, 2007 08:10 PM

"Jamil's a real guy. Michelle Malkin's snipe hunt endangered his career and probably his life."

WTF are you talking about? How did she endanger his career and life?

Posted by: mikek at January 9, 2007 08:29 PM

Excellent work. I have followed you for the last few years.

glasnost: you must be a troll to snark the snipe angle. The guy's name has been published in papers around the world for months. His title and location were given by the AP in the stories. The man has been working in the same location probably traveling to/from work by the same route every day for the last year plus. If his remarks were an issue, I'm sure someone would have killed him by now. It's not like he has ever had a paid security contingent to see him safely about his duties. And it's not like they would have helped much if he were in danger. Men of much higher distinction than he is are gunned down every day in Baghdad. Did the AP put him in danger by not using a pseudonym in their reports and id'ing him as such? Or is he in really in no more danger than the average Iraqi cop? Malkin knew less about him than the AP did, and reported no more than they (how could she), or are you claiming she is more widely read than the AP; therefore, Jamil is more widely known after her reportage than the APs? That is the only way her reporting could have “put his life in danger.”

The initial problem with the stories was not the mouthpiece. It was the verbage flowing forth. No other news sites reported the carnage that he claimed. The Iraqi government denied the claims of carnage that he reported and several of the AP’s own "corroborating sources" denied having talked to the AP or having sourced these stories. It was logical to question whether the Jamil source would also deny either sourcing the stories or the contents of the stories themselves. Every one of the “sources” seems to have gone on record one way or the other except Jamil. To date, the damage at the mosques has not been confirmed and the alleged victim's families have not aired the usual grievances against either the Iraqis or the US. This is pretty unusual for a potentially incendiary incident in the mid east. How do they expect to be compensated for their losses by the government as is middle-eastern custom, if they haven’t come forward?

The wire services usually all report on the same incidents and stories each day in multiple releases, so why are the stories by Jamil only covered by the AP? Surely the sources for other news outlets heard about the incidents, yet no reports surfaced that weren't referenced back to the original reportage by the AP. Why did they allow the AP to scoop all of the Jamil stories? Why did the AP stories change from release to release and why are the releases still being "tweaked" to this day? Did the AP rush rumors and gossip to press as news just for the scoop value? Is that the new standard for wire stories? No wonder the Rosie/Donald trope is "news" fodder these days.

Posted by: Stephanie at January 9, 2007 08:34 PM

Michael: Sorry for the above response to glasnost. I didn't mean to take up the bandwidth. The Kobe steak of reportage requires commentary like champaigne not wine coolers.

Posted by: Stephanie at January 9, 2007 08:53 PM

Thank you, thank you. Impressive reporting. Michael, when you're at your best, you're just about unbeatable.

Posted by: Pam at January 9, 2007 09:03 PM

Michael, journalism like this is dangerous to the mainsteam media and good for democracy. Thank you for taking the risks and raising the standards.

Posted by: savtadotty at January 10, 2007 01:04 AM

Michael:

Welll done!
I remember reading your intial posts on your trip to Lebanon and what you hoped to achieve in the middle east.
A bit foolsih, I thought at the time.
Another post-911 blogger -- bleeting warblogger?! -- out to prove his peevish world views.
Boy, was I wrong.
Cheers,
Scot

Posted by: Scot D at January 10, 2007 01:06 AM

Wonderful photos.

Hezbollah sure screwed the Christians by putting their rockets there. Of course, that was probably considered to be a benefit.

I wonder what Israel was dropping to make such a big swath of destruction. Whatever it was, it was highly effective yet precise.

Posted by: Strabp the lesser at January 10, 2007 02:53 AM

I am not contesting the accuracy of the article, nor of the photographs. However, absent "before" pictures, there simply is no verifiable context given the reader to decide whether or not, as Noah said, "Some real pain got dropped on" Lebanon.

Posted by: Jeff H at January 10, 2007 07:49 AM

MT: "Jesus was killed by the Roman Empire."

Reminds me of an old SNL bit where the rappers appologize for blaming the Jews for killing Jesus with a new song that says "it was the eye-talians!" While it is true that Pilate had sole authority to execute it is equally true that without the insistance of the Pharases he would haev been content to simply flog Him. That's neither here nor there, though, and, contary to the gravest concerns of secular Americans I don't see it as that big an issue for any conservative Christians I personally know. I actually think the old "Jews killed Jesus" thing today is more often used as an anti-Christian statement (by implying bigottry) than a truly anti-Semetic statement.

Posted by: submandave at January 10, 2007 08:44 AM

Adding my voice to those praising your reporting. It is extremely difficult to understand the dynamics of the issues in the Middle East without 1) understanding the actual history of the region; 2) understanding what is actually happening on the ground. Your reporting has gone a long way in accomplishing both and providing the type of context that is almost always absent in MSM reporting.

It is little different than imagining how an Iranian reporter would "report" back to his/her countrymen on an issue here in the U.S., with precious little understanding of our culture, the background of an issue, etc.

Keep up the fine work. And remain safe while you do so.

Posted by: Dan at January 10, 2007 08:54 AM

I actually think the old "Jews killed Jesus" thing today is more often used as an anti-Christian statement (by implying bigottry) than a truly anti-Semetic statement.

Unfortunately, that's not the case in the Middle East, as you can see from "sandra's" comment on MJT's previous dispatch thread.

Posted by: SoCalJustice at January 10, 2007 09:13 AM

Excellent work - I wish we could get this kind of in-depth coverage on the Middle East from the MSM.

Posted by: kstagger at January 10, 2007 09:31 AM

Excuses.

How did she endanger his career and life?

It's not hard. You think Shiite policemen who report on human rights abuses committed by other Shiite policemen are popular? You think any interested militia can't kill anyone they want?

Did the AP put him in danger by not using a pseudonym in their reports and id'ing him as such?

By allowing himself to be quoted by name, he certainly did accept a certain amount of danger. On the other hand, lots of Iraqis apparently talk to journalists, judging by how often their quotes turn up, you it wouldn't seem illogical to suggest that being quoted in a Western paper represents a marginally elevated risk, whereas being made into a long-running front page story about whether given abuses are true puts you at... a lot LARGER risk. What's the quickest way to make someone hard to find? Dump their body in the Tigris.

The wire services usually all report on the same incidents and stories each day in multiple releases, so why are the stories by Jamil only covered by the AP?

This is ridiculous. It's called a "scoop". Major, obvious events that get press releases handed out about them are covered by multiple services. Between that, news agencies go out and do "reporting". Cultivating individual sources that they - surprise! - don't like to tell people about!

I'm as pleasantly surprised as anyone that Jamil Hussein wasn't stuffed in a pine box in response to requests to produce him, but neither you nor Malkin has the slightest idea what the pressures on him are like, and you never will. On a battlefield full of obvious, undisputed atrocities, burning Sunnis alive just seems... impossible, so bloggers tear off on snipe hunts to rip some skin off major organizations and eat it. And the implications for Jamil Hussein's safety aren't considered for two seconds.

Posted by: glasnost at January 10, 2007 09:31 AM

Michael,

I was just beginning to think you were cleaning up your act (albeit with some remaining artifacts of single-source reporting and tough-guy swagger) when I got to the middle of your article and read what amounts to "Christians, Druze, and Sunni all want peace but the Shia worship violence". I do not actually believe you are anti-Shia, but when you claim "I'm not anti-Shia, I'm anti-Hezbollah" and then write stuff like this, I can totally understand why you get criticized as such.

Also, while I'm writing, something I've been wondering...your stories contain a lot of dialogue. Do you have a dictaphone or write it down in some kind of shorthand? Just curious.

Posted by: naha at January 10, 2007 09:38 AM

I was just beginning to think you were cleaning up your act (albeit with some remaining artifacts of single-source reporting and tough-guy swagger) when I got to the middle of your article and read what amounts to "Christians, Druze, and Sunni all want peace but the Shia worship violence". I do not actually believe you are anti-Shia, but when you claim "I'm not anti-Shia, I'm anti-Hezbollah" and then write stuff like this, I can totally understand why you get criticized as such.

The main problem with middle eastern societies is that they don't allow criticism.

And frankly I think the part of the article you were refering to was NOT what Michael said, but what those pictures of signs implied.

There were pro-peace signs that posted throughout Lebanon except in the south where Hezbollah doesn't allow them, and then there were the fucking pictures of terrorist and bloody atrocities that Hezbollah posts, hoping to keep people full of hate and ready to kill.

Michael didn't even sayany of that, but a picture is worth a thousand words isn't it?

You don't allow criticism, I can see that. But in this case the criticism is simply implied. Don't attack Michael, attack thought, attack logic, attack truth. No one should see pictures, no one should think. When we're all stupid and blind and afraid, then you can pretend you have the respect you demand.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 10, 2007 11:36 AM

Naha, I made it clear that I know many, many, Shia who have nothing to do with this crap. I also did not say "the Shia worship violence," I said Hezbollah does.

Hezbollah is a Shia party, but they do not speak for everybody. Only Hezbollah supporters insist that Hezbollah speaks for all Shia. Do not confuse my comments with theirs. Thanks.

As far as quoting dialogue goes, I use a voice recorder and a notepad.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 10, 2007 11:38 AM

Jeff H: I am not contesting the accuracy of the article, nor of the photographs. However, absent "before" pictures, there simply is no verifiable context given the reader to decide whether or not, as Noah said, "Some real pain got dropped on" Lebanon.

I was in Bint Jbail last year, before the war. There was no rubble or destruction whatsoever then. Sorry, I have no "before" photos. I didn't think there was a reason to take any.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 10, 2007 11:42 AM

"This is ridiculous. It's called a "scoop"."

I'm no journalist, but in order for a story to be a "scoop"... doesn't the story in question actually have to have happened first?

Because all the evidence gathered during this 'witch hunt' would seem to point to "no".

Great post, Michael.

Posted by: Nate at January 10, 2007 12:02 PM

I got to the middle of your article and read what amounts to "Christians, Druze, and Sunni all want peace but the Shia worship violence".

Naha, that was never said nor even implied and your use of quotation marks is therefore both deceptive and disingenuous.

Posted by: Mertel at January 10, 2007 12:32 PM

Mr. Sadiche: Please continue to add your illuminating and incisive comments. Because of them, I feel I know almost as much about the Lebanese situation, especially the politico-economic factors, as I do when I read the "Lebanese Political Journal".

Posted by: Johnnypop at January 10, 2007 12:49 PM

Sadiche is a disgusting excuse for a human being and is absolutely not allowed to post here, ever. Do not respond to his comments.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 10, 2007 12:57 PM

"Solomon, they have a sovereign state-within-a-state. Lebanon suffers a schism. Hezbollah has parallel institutions for literally everything. Until August the Lebanese government, police, and army weren't even allowed to set foot in Hezbollah areas. This is still true in the dahiyeh, but at least the army has moved to the border. It is going to take a long time before the government has any actual authority over the whole country." MJT

This is absolute bullshit. The biggest proof of this is that their was a UN interim force in the south, under the permission of the government to be there, as well as police who, in lebanon, wear blue army uniforms. Ask anyone. Even in Tyre which is considered as south lebanon controlled by hizbollah and Amal, their were and still are army checkpoints. Only in conflict zones were the army not allowed etc and this was by the way allowed by the government in the first place.

They knew they couldn't deal with occupied territory, the people and hizbollah asked for a special grant to control themselves and that grant was given by macro-harriri (not the current mini one).

I want to point out a hypocracy about Macro-Harriri. In 1993 or 97 i forgot, Sayyid Hassan asked for all martyrs to have a special graveyard made for them on a hill overlooking beirut international airport. Harriri straight and flatly refused. He said to a journalist in private "do you know what this means? It means every visitor will be welcomed by dead people in their graves. The first thing people will see of lebanon is a graveyard." I see his point but i don't see whats so wrong with it and what it is that's making him ashamed of this. In America and Britain especially, all attractions have memorials of war heroes or gravesites. Anyway, after this person dies, what does this same government do? They call the airport itself "Martyr Rafiq Harriri Airport". I mean come the fuck on. Firstly, many many MANY people don't believe this guy died a martyr, including myself, many more people don't even believe in the word and much more still don't even like the guy. So why not bury brave heroes who died for the sake of freeing the country NEAR the airport, but call the airport itself a biased and dumb name as that. I'd rather it be called Hassan Nasrallah Airport, because as far as i know hassan nasrallah is a much MUCH bigger, and more popular + respected man in and out of lebanon than harriri ever has and will be. Or Martyr Hadi Nasrallah Airport, the son of sayyid hassan who died at around 19 fighting the israelis while harriri was busy thinkin of how the money he begged of the world should be partitioned between him, seniora and a few others.

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 10, 2007 01:03 PM

Hezbollah Lover,

Sorry, I meant to say "the border area" rather than all "Hezbollah areas."

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 10, 2007 01:06 PM

"Assistance from the Lebanese government in Hezbollah-controlled areas is not allowed by Hezbollah. This is the only way Hezbollah can earn points for "charity." You know it, too, although I'm sure you'll deny it." MJT
Oh, please, spare me the bullshit totten. You know this is not true and so do I. This is plain bullshit and im getting fed up of it. Heres me, a fucking original lebanese who knows much more about his own country than any of you, telling you that YES the government is allowed to do alot in hizbollah controlled areas, exept anything that will collide with hizbollah's operations and arms in these areas.

You would be so dumb not to realise this, the simplest and dumbest way to know this is true and that hizbollah is not a state within a state is because in their education system they have the same curriculum as everyone else. That is just the dumbest and simplest reason that any fool would realise exept you. You think you're the god of info and talk to me as if you mastered lebanon when you hardly answer ANY1's arguement, including mines and abrahams who raised v good questions left unanswered.

Hizbollah has raised its own hospitals, so fucking what. Its like the NHS in Britain, they provide the health service in here, does that mean they are a state within a state. Its a fucking institution. You dumb ass american's promote capitalistic competition and economies, here's hizbollah. They are doing what so many american firms and institutions do, invest in different programs, including economic ones. They have their own hospital, educational and security institutions, which is allowed in western countries, why is it not allowed in hizbollah?

Hizbollah saw the government wasn't able nor willing to help the south or any areas in poverty. They simply wanted the rish to become richer and the poor, well, either stay as poor, or become poorer or become richer, its up to them. They're not lebanese if they don't have some cash, they can just sort themselves out, the government don't care.

Some dumb person i noted said hizbollah doesn't pay tax. Ofcourse they don't, and so doesn't anyone in lebanon who's worth 100K or above. But every poor motherfucker has to pay all the tax, and now there are MORE and NEW taxes for the paris 3 begging conference. Hizbollah did not even ALLOW anyone in the south pay for water, electricity etc. The only thing they did pay for is luxury items, duty free and tax free, food, fuel, gas and land. The rest of the services were free. Since when did the government do this? Tell me, i beg of you. The government did not invest in the south nor did their institutions. This is why it seems as if hizbollah dominated/monopolised the area with theirs.

BTW it is a fact that hizbollah institutions provide fairer prices for trade items and better service quality than any other institution in lebanon. Their are even many christians who went to hizbollah schools and were treated in hizbollah hospital. THE biggest proof of your lies is that i can tell you now the names and location of three schools in hizbollah territory built and un by the government. Theres the Alma School, in an area, well, called 'alma. You know Naqoura in the south, the one with aq seaport where all UNIFIL 2 soldiers came in to lebanon from, just up the hill from their is Alma, and the school is their. Its a big white building, it can be seen from miles away.

Theirs another school in suburbs of tyre. The Soor English school. That is built in Borj Al Shamali. Take a taxi to their and ask for the english school, thats also a governmental school. Theirs the Tyre Harfa Elimentary School, newly built by the government, no longer than 2/3 years ago. Tyre Harfa is in DEEP DEEP hizbollah territory. The worst hit area from the occupation. The most village with hizbollah recruits. My dad is from their. People their are with hizbollah militarily, but with amal politically.

Im sure their are many many more. This proves your lies wrong totten. The government was not allowed to intervene in military and security matters in hizbollah's areas, no more no less. Not one spy has been caught by the government since 1948, hizbollah has unfoiled many many spy networks, the latest was in lebanon just before the war by around 2 months and during the war, both were the biggest spy networks, one in hizbollah territory and the other wasn't. In both cases, hizbollah informed the government and the government carried out the arrests and put these people in custody. They found out, hizbollah, found out that they were all black and iraqi immigrants working for israel, hardly any were lebanese. And that my friend is one fucking hard task to execute.

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 10, 2007 01:26 PM

Jef, you seem like an idiot too.

Their are countless towns, cities and villages still severely damaged by the civil war and in no way under hizbollah influence or authority what so ever. Its been 17 years, what has been done abou it? nothing. There are still many hundreds of thousands of christians who were drivnen out of their homes by the druze who re-settled in their villages (not saying occupied because its plain stupid to say a lebanese is occupying lebanon, its his frigin country i.e. like totten said hizbollah is in effect occupying downtown public areas, THEYRE FUCKING PUBLIC, THEYRE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOME LEBANESE OCCUPANTS THEIR, or is it the QUALITY of those lebanese that defines if they have a right to be or not to be in those public squares, they are fucking lebanese and you're not, they have more right to be in those squares than you are, if they are occupying then you're invading) and still have not been guaranteed safe passage back to their homes, or compensation for the damage and homes lost or land stolen and taken or or or.

The only thing they managed to do with the money was buy a cement factory, now owned by harriri co and druze leader and mass killing murdered junblat, and partially re-build downtown beirut which was blitzed by the nazi's and then fuked even more by the christian militias. Totten doesn't have time to question the authority of those militiamen who on several accounts have been caught with illegal and unregistered weapons, alot of which were israeli made, as well as catch silencers being sent to the future party's militia, never to be questioned or the man the bagage belinged to not arrested. And all the information that some, not all, but some political persons in the future movement and 14th march in general had collaborated with the IDF and IAF to root out hizbollah and other targets in lebanon SUSPECTED of being the location of where sayyid hassan had been.

This is perpetration and vetrayal of the nation as well and un-patriotic act against the nation, which should be punishable. Why don't you speak abou that MR totten?

Another thing i want to correct is that sayyid hassan or hizbollah had nothing to do with the incident where the sit-in people tried to storm into the seniora office. If hizbollah wanted to storm the serail they wouldn't bother with shit head civilians to do it when theres barbed wires and army personnel etc, they'll just send in some armed special force unit to take the fucking capital itself, not just that kak building. It was the people who were hyped up since it was the first day, normal casual civilians, ALOT of them christians btw i saw a AWN guy being carried away by the army, and it wasnt sayyid hassan who called it off because he didn't even know about it until an hour later, it was nabih berri who was foned up by seniora who told him whats hapening and who told him the "i cant control my street" speech.

Please all of you tell me, this man used civil war to threaten the other side, when did hizbollah do this?

This man threatened civil war just because he was going to be ousted by his own people, when our people were gunned down in a peaceful sit in and sayyid hassan didn't say "sorry i cant control my own street" and declare civil war because of this, he acted like a true patriot and said if they killed 1000 of us we will never turn our guns away from enemies and towards them. We will trade bullets with roses.

Who's the bad guy:
"i cant control my own street boo hoo hoo mumyyyy"
or
"we will trade your bullets with roses"
??? the decision is yours pro

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 10, 2007 01:45 PM

"There are obviously Sunni Muslims, Christians and Druze in both Northern Israel and Lebanon (and I know there are some familial relations between Israeli and Lebanese Arabs/Druze) - but I've never heard of any Shia population in Northern Israel - which seems strange since they're so predominant in Southern Lebanon in close proximity."

Most of SLA was shia (good pay, poor people), nearly all fled to Nahariya in northern israel.

My aunties husband was one of the pussies, he fled to Nahariyya as well, him my auntie and their 7 kids now live in northern israel - all shia. They also have newly been granted the israeli citizenship and coming soon to britain.

May seem strange coming from me, but i can't lie can i. but shhhh dnt tll no1 lool

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 10, 2007 01:52 PM

Great reporting, Michael. You have my sympathy for having to deal with idiot trolls like H Lover, etc. It's people like them that make the question I have for you a serious one.

It's this, and I'm skipping all the feel-good, human rights, you-can't-do-that horsecrap and cutting to the chase: do you REALLY think there is any hope for establishing peace in S. Lebanon without ethnically cleansing the Shia from the area?

Posted by: mac at January 10, 2007 01:56 PM

Mac: do you REALLY think there is any hope for establishing peace in S. Lebanon without ethnically cleansing the Shia from the area?

After war or revolution at least serious political change in Syria and Iran, yes. Until then, no.

In any case, ethnic-cleansing is absolutely unacceptable, period.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 10, 2007 02:02 PM

you can, for a change, try political CHANGE in israel, america and west in general, as well as the fall of every arab regime.

Its harder, but much MUCH more effective, believe me.

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 10, 2007 02:10 PM

HL-

Couple of notes about your post. If you are trying to convince someone of your position, starting off by calling them an idiot is not a great strategy.

Maybe my question wasn't clear. I didn't ask about any other players in Lebanon. I just asked how you could call HA effective when there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it.

I never said they don't have the right to meet in downtown Beirut. I said it doesn't make sense to me that they would do so instead of taking care of the areas under their control.

If you plan on writing back to call me an idiot or stupid, don't bother. However, if you would like to explain to me the positive things HA has done for Lebanon, I am all ears.

I am trying to help you put together an argument supporting the group you love. So far your argument has been that everybody who disagrees with them is stupid or venal.

Posted by: Jeff at January 10, 2007 02:55 PM

Hezbollah Lover: you can, for a change, try political CHANGE in israel, america and west in general, as well as the fall of every arab regime.

The entire world will not submit to or revolve around you (or anyone else).

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 10, 2007 03:07 PM

Josh: Regarding your picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words comment, I was referring to the pictures and the text. Regarding the last paragraph of your message, I have no idea what you are trying to say, swathed as your comment was in sarcasm and self-reflexiveness. But your comment proved a valuable point in that you didn't refute my claim, but rather just attempted to correct my expression of it.

Michael: Thanks for your response, as I'm sure I appear to be just another detractor. Again, I absolutely believe you to be tolerant and more of Shia. And yes, you've explicitly written pro-Shia statements. I'm just saying the sum impression of this piece, as someone who knows the writer not to be anti-Shia, was still anti-Shia.

Mertel: That is why I said "what amounts to" before "Christians, Druze, and Sunni all want peace but the Shia worship violence". And I obviously do believe that was what was implied. I never would have thought that anyone would interpret the quoted piece as an actual quotation from the article. So I'm going to have to plead not guilty to the charges of dishonesty and disingenuousness.

Posted by: Naha at January 10, 2007 03:24 PM

~~~Posted by hezbollah lover at January 10, 2007 01:52 PM~~~

Can't almost believe my eyes ~
So that means your uncle fought in fact the rest of your family in lebanon?

Huh??

Posted by: tsedek at January 10, 2007 03:24 PM

I'm just saying the sum impression of this piece, as someone who knows the writer not to be anti-Shia, was still anti-Shia.

The only evidence you've supplied to back yourself up is a quote that wasn't a quote and a statement that that's how you feel. If we take a look at an authentic quote it's plain that your claim is unsubstantiated:

"Last year a series of billboards all over Beirut said Say No to Anger, Say No to War, and Say No to Terrorism. Hezbollah would never allow anything of the sort to be erected in their parts of Lebanon, even though I know lots of Shia who agree with those sentiments."

Posted by: Mertel at January 10, 2007 03:41 PM

That should have read: "I'm just saying my sum impression..." and the point I'm re-iterating is basically while you are not personally anti-Shia, you sometimes give ammunition to folks who have an ax to grind on this point.

Posted by: Naha at January 10, 2007 03:41 PM

Hold it! Stop the presses!

New evidence produced on long-standing murder case:

"While it is true that Pilate had sole authority to execute it is equally true that without the insistance of the Pharases he would haev been content to simply flog Him."

Please someone tell me that I'm not having an acid flashback.

Posted by: ankhfkhonsu at January 10, 2007 04:17 PM

Naha: I'm just saying the sum impression of this piece, as someone who knows the writer not to be anti-Shia, was still anti-Shia.

How do you think I should have explained this situation instead? This is a serious question, and I'm asking you because you seem to be reasonable and might have a constructive suggestion.

If 70 percent of the Shia support Hezbollah to one extent or another, it is very hard to criticize Hezbollah without at least appearing to be opposed to the Shia as a whole.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 10, 2007 04:19 PM

Josh: Regarding your picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words comment, I was referring to the pictures and the text. Regarding the last paragraph of your message, I have no idea what you are trying to say, swathed as your comment was in sarcasm and self-reflexiveness. But your comment proved a valuable point in that you didn't refute my claim, but rather just attempted to correct my expression of it.

You clearly have no idea what I was saying.

It was completely clear that Michael said that Hezbollah, not the Shiites worship violence, since you accused him of saying the latter, it was obvious to me that you, like "hezbollah lover" and some others Hezbollah members and supporters who have commented, are claiming that Hezbollah = Shiites.

Was my grammer too advance? I'll say it in simple sentences. Michael didn't say that Shiites worship violence. You did! He only spoke of Hezbollah. By implication, you equated Hezbollah with all Shiites, Michael did not.

Thus I assumed that you are a Hezbollah supporter. So I responded to you as Hezbollah.

Do you understand now?

And I wasn't being quite as sarcastic as you might think. It occured to me that Michael's criticism was well deserved and that your objection to it was not that it was false, but that no criticism of the Shiites can ever be allowed, especially criticism of the mujahidin, and never from from an infidel.

Thus, with criticism never allowed, you are stuck forever. Backward forever.

Do I understand you properly?

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 10, 2007 04:29 PM

HL,

Shia in Nahariya, huh?

Thanks.

That's actually pretty cool.

As for your characterization of your relative - whatever, it looks like it was the smart move.

Still, demographically, being that there are so many Sunni, Christian and Druze Israelis/Palestinians, I'm surprised there aren't more Shia in the North (and no indigenous to speak of, sounds like) - since they're so prominent in Southern Lebanon.

Posted by: SoCalJustice at January 10, 2007 04:43 PM

View this clip

Following is a Lebanese protest song, which aired on LBC TV on January 8, 2007:

The leaders have fled from Lebanon.
Our happiness has grown.
Now we can live in security.
Our world has become a paradise.
The leaders have fled from Lebanon.
Our happiness has grown.
Now we can live in security.
Our world has become a paradise.
The leaders have fled from Lebanon.
Our happiness has grown.
Now we can live in security.
Our world has become a paradise.
The leaders have fled from Lebanon.
Our happiness has grown.
Now we can live in security.
Our world has become a paradise.
The leaders have fled from Lebanon.
Our world has become a paradise.
One is in Geneva, talking to himself all day long.
Another is a guest in Saudi Arabia, afraid of being assassinated.
The third – his palace is like a fortress. He surrounds himself with the people.
The fourth holds a sword in his hand, and fights his shadow in a room.
Nobody wants you.
My people lives on without you.
May Allah protect you, but your absence gives us peace.
The leaders have fled from Lebanon.
Our happiness has grown.
Now we can live in security.
Our world has become a paradise.
The leaders have fled from Lebanon.
Our world has become a paradise.
There is nothing on television, except for politicians,
talking in a hundred colors, as if they are saints.
We sit and watch them every night, intoxicated with their stories.
We don't believe any one of them. It turns out they are all liars.
It turns out we are in the wrong.
We have been deceived.
Oh, learn from this, my poor people, that they are the source of all our troubles.
The leaders have fled from Lebanon.
Our happiness has grown.
Now we can live in security.
Our world has become a paradise.
The leaders have fled from Lebanon.
Our world has become a paradise.
We are fed up with words and theories.
We need to find a solution for them.
I thought about a great big boat, which would carry them off and disappear.
They we would have peace and quiet, and we would be able to sing.
Turn the boat around and leave.
Don't stay in the harbor even one moment longer.
Carry them off, and take them far away.
Let them dissolve in the water.
Make sure you don't return them to us, until our honor has been restored.
The leaders have fled from Lebanon.
Our happiness has grown.
Now we can live in security.
Our world has become a paradise.
The leaders have fled from Lebanon.
Our happiness has grown.
Now we can live in security.
Our world has become a paradise.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 10, 2007 04:44 PM

Josh,

There is a sort of "political correctness" in Lebanon where people have to be very careful how they talk about fellow Lebanese from other sects. Not everyone adheres to this, and some are stridently bigoted. Others adhere to the general rules and express sectarian sentiments very subtly.

Foreigners like me often get lumped into the latter category, and I don't quite understand how to navigate very foreign PC rules. Sometimes these accusations are entirely bogus, other times not.

It is often assumed that because I am nominally "Christian" that I have some of the same built-in biases that Lebanese Christians often have. Of course, I do not. I didn't grow up in that environment and don't have their mental categories in my head.

That's why I'm asking Naha for advice. We'll see if any advice is reasonable and constructive or not.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 10, 2007 05:05 PM

michael

what you see is Material stuff that can be replaced , the triumph inside is worth it. Finally Israel is no longer the Country that not be defeated and a few hezbollah defeeated it , while 3 armies with tanks and planes could NOT. Michael , Hezbollah won , get over it.
farida

Posted by: farida at January 10, 2007 05:21 PM

Michael, I'm sure that Lebanese have developed some sort of political correctness to keep the number of civil wars and pograms down somewhat, but I'm not entirely convinced that there is a real distiction to be made here. After all, there are no Muslim societies that allow criticism, and certainly no Arab countries. Freedom of expression is not a value.

Beyond that, the assumption of absolute superiority and contempt for the infidel comes into play. When Ali Salem was asked how the world, how democracy activists outside of Egypt can help the pro-democracy movement inside of Egypt, he said "leave us alone! You can not help!" There is so much xenophobia and other attitude about outsiders that I think our words can not be listened to and our help can not be accepted.

I heard a British officer being interviewed about Iraq today. He said that in many areas there is only peace as long as the American army is there. So if you as any Iraqi if he wants more American troups in his area he will say yes, but at the same time he will claim to oppose "the occupation". There it is, you know. They need our help but can't really cooperate with it. They may be personally sane, but the collective face trumps the personal one, and the collective face is completely insane. Dangerously insane.

Anyway that song I posted above is the first sign of sanity I've seen.

They need

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 10, 2007 05:24 PM

Ignore the sentence fragment that I forgot to delete at the end of my comment.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 10, 2007 05:25 PM

The Compassionate government did not bother to visit those areas , and when the Christian Leaders did visit the south , Hezbollah had already checked on the locals and helped them with food and medecine.18 christian towns and villages .

Posted by: farida at January 10, 2007 05:27 PM

farida,

What exactly did Hezbollah win? What were there objectives? The "triumph" was worth what, exactly? And if it was all worth it, why has Nasrallah said that he would never have launched his attack in the first place if he had known what the final outcome would have been?

Posted by: Mertel at January 10, 2007 05:30 PM

They need to eject the collective face of their sects and become citizens.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 10, 2007 05:34 PM

Actually farida, forget it. You can go back to writing supportive comments at the most disgusting anti-semitic site that I've seen in a while. Anything you have to say isn't worth my time.

Posted by: Mertel at January 10, 2007 05:49 PM

Mertel, she is amazing.

I started to comment on her web site, but decided I don't want to sully this thread.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 10, 2007 06:05 PM

Wow, that is one truly horrible Web site. Gack.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 10, 2007 06:28 PM

But it is really honest. I mean, what could be clearer that she eats, sleeps and breathes Chicken Poop? She misspells "cojones," though.

Josh, may I tell her how I really feel?

Posted by: nichevo at January 10, 2007 06:35 PM

Better to do it on HER site than on this thread, I'd think.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 10, 2007 06:37 PM

Or not. After all you wouldn't be the first person who pointed out that she's a monster. No doubt she just deletes criticism.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 10, 2007 06:41 PM

So probably email is the best course.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 10, 2007 06:42 PM

Wow, that site is nasty. Palestinians (and other Arabs and Muslims) make "friends" like that at their peril.

Hopefully too many won't fall into that trap.

Reminds me of Wendy Campbell of the Bay Area - famous for pushing the "Kosher Nostra Tax" meme, who fashioned herself as a pro-Palestinian activist and posted all over Indymedia till they realized she was more of a Nazi than anything else.

She's still trying, but I think less and less are buying her as someone who can help them.

Posted by: SoCalJustice at January 10, 2007 06:58 PM

Superb work Michael.
I was especially inspired by photos of the Lebanese billboards that say no to war, and declare that they love life and peace.

This is the kind of medicine that will cure the illness of Hezbollah's death-cult mentality and pressure them to disarm. But .. it will be a long and tough journey.

Posted by: Jono at January 10, 2007 08:00 PM

submandave
contrary to the gravest concerns of secular Americans I don't see it as that big an issue for any conservative Christians I personally know. I actually think the old "Jews killed Jesus" thing today is more often used as an anti-Christian statement (by implying bigottry) than a truly anti-Semetic statement.

Thank g-d for most Protestants and Catholics I hope in America this is true however, none speak to soon in this own thread.........

farida
the triumph inside is worth it. Israel is no longer the Country that not be defeated and a few hezbollah defeeated it , while 3 armies with tanks and planes could NOT. Michael , Hezbollah won , get over it.

Mertel
Actually farida, forget it. You can go back to writing supportive comments at the most disgusting anti-semitic site that I've seen in a while. Anything you have to say isn't worth my time.

Here is the site Mertel is referring to -

http://joannafrancis.wordpress.com/
Ironically titled "NO PEACE WITHOUT JUSTICE"

Here is a small sampling of some of the latest posts -

THE OLD BLOOD LIBEL -
Jews have been the driving force behind legalizing abortion in (formerly) Christian countries, such as the United States, France, England, Canada, et al. But in some Western nations, the people still have a modicum common sense, and refuse to allow Jews to get rich performing their favorite pastime: Jewish ritual killing of Christian babies.

By the way the 16th Century German Nun Anne Emerich who had "visions" of what really happened to Jesus (1500 years later) and wrote a book about her visions, also fully believed in the blood libel and wrote about it in her book. Mel Gibson highly praises her book and used it as a basis for his movie by the way

NEXT POST your typical HOLOCAUST "minimization" or sly "denial"?

Holy Holocaust! by Edgar J. Steele
Notice that the most recent sign in front of the Auschwitz museum lowers the number of Jews killed to 1.5 million. Yet the official toll of 6 million Jews killed in the “Holocaust” is never likewise lowered.

ACUUSING THIS POPE AND NEW VATICAN OF HERESY (DaVinci Code anybody?)

The Amazing Heresies of Benedict XVI
This video gives incontrovertible proof that Fr. Joseph Ratzinger, a.k.a., Benedict XVI, is a manifest heretic. As such, infallible Catholic teaching dictates that such a man cannot be a legitimate pope. Traditional Catholics who scoff at the idea that the Chair of Peter is vacant (sede vacante) will have a difficult time reconciling the blatantly heretical statements and actions of Fr. Ratzinger with their belief that he is somehow still pope. Those Catholics who accuse sedevacantists of not accepting the recent popes are the ones who show no regard for the august position of Head of the Mystical Body of Christ. It is the sedevacantists who have such reverence for that highest of all human thrones that we refuse to accept an imposter upon it.

By the way Gibson and his father do not accept the New Vatican and would likely agree with (definitely his father) most posted on this website.
Suddenly the heretical behavior portrayed in the DaVincii Code http://imdb.com/title/tt0382625/ don't seem so "fictional"...

Mike

Posted by: Mike Nargizian at January 11, 2007 12:29 AM

Michael J Totten
"any hope for establishing peace in S. Lebanon without ethnically cleansing the Shia from the area?"
After war or revolution at least serious political change in Syria and Iran, yes. Until then, no.

In any case, ethnic-cleansing is absolutely unacceptable, period.

hezbollah lover
you can, for a change, try political CHANGE in israel, america and west in general, as well as the fall of every arab regime.

Its harder, but much MUCH more effective, believe me.

Michael you have way more patience than me. In my world when I read a guy like Hezbollah lover or farida I just simply take them for what they are and tune out.

Fortunately in America we don't have nuts like that as the Zeitgeist of the country.
In Lebanon as your friend said you have to fight (in the arena of "ideas" "politics" and unfortunately in "violence" too) people like that every day of your life....

Thank G-d I live in America.

Mike

Posted by: Mike Nargizian at January 11, 2007 12:34 AM

"The entire world will not submit to or revolve around you (or anyone else)."

Exactly. And neither will our world. Once you learn to compromise on the terms of give and take, then wil be the day we accomplish a stable base for understanding and negotiations. Who knows, maybe even a lastin peace and less hatred from both sides.

Catch my drift?

You don't want your "world" to change, why should our "world" change.

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 11, 2007 05:45 AM

MJT - "Sorry, I meant to say "the border area" rather than all "Hezbollah areas." "

MJT - "This is true in the Dahiyeh"

You just contradicted yourself. What has the border got to do with dahiyeh, the former is down south, with israel, and the latter is up north, part of beirut.

You didn't make a mistake, you just made something up and when you saw you were wrong and i was right, you corrected yourself.

It wasn't accidental, but intended. This is the thing about throwing a stone, if it doesn't hit your target, it'll hit something beside/behind it.

Unless you believe in two contradictory things at one time, i dunno.

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 11, 2007 05:51 AM

Jeff - "If you plan on writing back to call me an idiot or stupid, don't bother. However, if you would like to explain to me the positive things HA has done for Lebanon, I am all ears."

No, i don't just call everyone who argues with me stupid or an idiot, but when they say something stupid or idiotic, i point it out and let them hear my views of them when they say such things.

Now, back to your question. What has Hizbollah done to help its people or lebanon. Now, you would have to be blind not to notice, but you could also be a person who doesn't follow the politics in that region. Im taking you as the latter.

1) Hizbollah has been the first to forcefully move israeli occupation off arab lands. They re-captured the south of lebanon in the year 2000 when the israelis fled after 15 years of resistance (from Hizbollah) against the IDF who invaded and illegaly occupied nearly the whole country, but later on withdrew and left a security zone, which was in the south.

2) Hizbollah, as an organisation (not just armed group like alot of people think they are) was able to invest and establish an exceptionally strong military force able to DETER, notice i never said defeat etc This detterance would be later used to fail any aims of mass invasion of lebanon, or occupation of any part of lebanon. Maybe a force would be able and willing to do it, but the point is with a powerful military and intelligence service, such as hizbollah, they would re-consider many times and take into account the losses they would be lossing if they took such a decision. Note also that hizbollah was able to do this without the world's help. American troops for example are based all around the world where they train and get trained in different invoronments and armies, hizbollah only has iran and syria to help.

3) As an organisation, Hizbollah was also able to revive civil and civilian structures and infrastructur in all areas abandoned by the lebanese government. A whole section of a country as vast as the south is, accounting for nearly 1/4 of the country as a "constituency" if you like, can not be left without a school or hospital for a single day. Hizbollah therefore helped themselves and created parallel institutions to those of the governments, such as the health service and education service but never broke lebanons sovereignty in doing so because they use the same curriculum for example in their schools. As proof of not breaking or ignoring the lebanese sovereignty or authority, these buildings were put up from permission from the government, and the paperworks needed from the different relevant ministries run by the government. This is legal in any country in the world, but it seems to some people it isn't in lebanon. If Hizbollah really did want to ignore lebanons sovereignty and authority, they would've had their own education, health and energy ministries., Or even a whole new transitional government controlling their areas. Thats something shattering to sovereignty, not building a couple of hospitals and schools in areas lacking them.

4) They were the ones who reconstructed the areas they were present in, such as roads, civilian buildings, water and sewer pipes and much more all damaged by the IDF during their invasions and occupations. This also includes supporting farmers and investing in agriculture which was severed by the mines layed and unexploded sum-munitions droped on the arable lands.

5) They made two whole units, one called the Hezbollah Explosives Engineer Unit and the other the Hizbollah Rocket/Munitions Engineer Unit. Both were the only units working to clear lands of mines and unexploded munitions/sub-munitions. The government is still to send any of their units, until the war when they decided to send a pocket full of engineers alongside some independents and UNIFIL engineers to do the job. It takes three organisations to work together to do the job. Hizbollah did it by itself using two units belonging to them.

6) Charity and welfare. They set up different organisations to deal with charitable work such as feeding the poor, employing the unemployed, looking after orphans and other matters such as illness and disease. Two of the many charities were one to deal with the family in general of a martyr and the other is to educate his/her children (for free) and compensate the family. These two are a little bit interlinked. What basically happens is after a martyr is killed in hizbollah or amal fighting against the israelis, the family is paid monthly as much as the martyr used to be paid up untilone of the children is old enough and has a job good enough to look after the family himself. During the time gap before the martyrs' family has a member old enough to take responsibility, they are treated for free, given perscription for free and the children are educated for free. If a Hizbollah fighter is injured, he is given a sum to compensate damages as well as free treatment. And until he is back to normal, wages continue as normal. Other charitable projectz includes an organisation to help fishers and another to help farmers.

7) Maintanance and security. They are responsible for keeping the areas they are in under control and apt. But not policing. Police was and still is in the areas hizbollah is in. Security means foiling spy networks, riots, protecting private and public squares etc. Maintanance means maintaining all the services needed in the region they operate in etc

Now you might be thinking wtf is this, hizbollah is doing everything the government SHOULD be doing. Yes, they are, but this is under the supervision of the government, acceptance of government andbefore anything happens or hizbollah deals with anything, they must ask permission and they do.

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 11, 2007 06:35 AM

Interesting HL.

You write of a charity that has guns. I don't know of any other armed charity. You say HA is a political party that responds to the request of the Lebanese Government, but they kidnapped Israeli soldiers (a clear act of war) without prior government approval. Earlier, as MJT pointed out, you wrote the best solution was for the rest of the world to change to reflect HA's needs.

We may never be able to convince each other, but history ultimately will. The great sins of the 20th century were committed by armed political movements so sure of their causes that they destroyed the countries they were meant to protect.

If and when HA takes over Lebanon you will come to regret it. That is not a threat, just a prediction.

Posted by: Jeff at January 11, 2007 09:22 AM

"You write of a charity that has guns. I don't know of any other armed charity."

All welfare governments could be considered charitable ones. They all also have armies. Armed charity.

Hizbollah is not JUST a charity. They have set up charity organisations and funded them. This is just PART of what they do, but not everything you see. They are not an "Armed charity", they weren't created on the basis of raising enough rich gifts to give the israelis to drive them out, they were driven out by resistance, and thats what hizbollah is. A resistance that happens to love its people as much as they love it back and, unlike other organisations, they repay and help their people.

"You say HA is a political party that responds to the request of the Lebanese Government, but they kidnapped Israeli soldiers (a clear act of war) without prior government approval."

Please watch this clip. Look closely and pay attention to what this great man says, and also take note of the dates. I urge all to watch this clip, not just Jeff. It's for everyone who says Hizbollah acted independently when they kidnapped the soldiers and that no-one knew about the kidnappings etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7dJTll12nY

"We may never be able to convince each other, but history ultimately will."

Very true, im with you.

"The great sins of the 20th century were committed by armed political movements so sure of their causes that they destroyed the countries they were meant to protect."

Yes, exept Hamas and Hizbollah, right or wrong? They have lived to the 21st century without commiting such acts. Hamas won fair and square in the most democratic elections ever but were rejected by the world. Hizbollah ARE the most nationalistic, patriotic, democratic and non-corrupt organisation in the whole middle-east and the arab world, but are still rejected by the leaders of the Arab world, but not the people, by some leaders of the west, but not all. Only 6 nations call hizbollah terrorist. More than 50 states call israel a terrorist state.

Note in the video the sea of people and see how much support this man has in JUST lebanon.

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 11, 2007 10:31 AM

I don't know of any other armed charity.

That's the way Islamist terrorists work.

Al Qa'eda has charities, they even have charity hospital. Hamas has charities, and schools (just like Hezbollah). The same with the Taliban. They'll feed your child and fill his head with lies and hate. Good deal, eh?

Muslims are supposed to donate to charities (for Muslims only) and to jihad. The terrorist offer one stop shopping.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 11, 2007 10:31 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7dJTll12nY

This is the link again. Please note who is among the crowds and who is sitting at one of the speeches. He can be seen sitting among the crowd at 12mins and 46 secs.

Totten, YOU above all have to see who's present at one of the speeches given by sayyid hassan nasrallah.

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 11, 2007 10:40 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2QaqseIGv8

Watch this video, about women in Hizbollah as well as the charity work they do.

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 11, 2007 11:07 AM

Apparently Hezbollah Lover is a young punk who has family members in southern Lebanon but who instead has been writing from London where he is a student. He continously demonstrates that he has one foot in the grave and has never crossed the bridge into this century. He writes propaganda at various websites and often fails to fully comprehend simple matters of fact which somehow becomes lost in translation. He remains a prime example of a Muslim who not only failed to integrate into London’s modern culture but also is sure to blame others for that failure. Unfortunately he is not alone in that kind of attitude—which actually makes his pseudonym, Hezbollah Lover, appropriate. Some have referred to him as an internet ‘troll’, also particularly appropriate as such hang around under bridges rather than cross bridges.

The keyword in Western cultures has been CHANGE. HL remains clueless and continues to exemplify why there is unrest in Lebanon and elsewhere. Whether or not a rolling stone gathers moss may be debatable, but one thing is certain—in nature, stones roll down hills and never climb upward, and if volcanic then surely destructive.

Posted by: JAS at January 11, 2007 11:08 AM

"Change" is probably a key word in western world because 1) ur not good at it, 2) you need it.

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 11, 2007 12:52 PM

We're masters at change. It just seem otherwise to you because your "knowledge" of the west is pure sophistry. Crap that comes from propagandists talking about the west never changes, but that has no connection to the reality.

Of course those Islamists who run Hezbollah, on the other hand, consider "change" to be heresy.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 11, 2007 01:06 PM

I've been reading your site for a few years and it is just consistently good, and I really appreciate your Lebanon reporting. The pittance I have donated at times via paypal is not regretted.

Your work in the comment section shows either a great deal of superhuman patience or maybe by now you're just pretty jaded.

At some point I hope there is an edited version of a lot of these site items put together into a single volume on Lebanon.

Posted by: erik at January 11, 2007 01:21 PM

Hello to the people I have encountered before on "From Beirut to the Beltway." I have two related questions for the Lebanese posting here (even expat Lebanese). I am asking them to try to gain an understanding of what is going on in Lebanon and it is sometimes more useful for me to think about things in pieces.

First:
Do YOU think Israel has territorial ambitions in Lebanon at all?
Do YOU think Israel has territorial ambitions in Lebanon beyond stopping missile fire or Hezbollah or Palestinian border raids into Israel (meaning if the border were quiet would Israel have any territorial ambitions in Lebanon)?

Second:
How do you think other Lebanese would answer the same question?

For purposes of this question, please ignore Shebaa Farms (I am not telling you to ignore it generally if you think it is important; I just mean that is not the issue I am asking about).

Posted by: dontgetit at January 11, 2007 03:37 PM

See above. In case it is at all relevant to your answer (and it shouldn't be), I am an American.

I should like to add: For any answers that presume territorial ambition in Lebanon on the part of Israel, please describe what you think those ambitions are.

Posted by: dontgetit at January 11, 2007 04:07 PM

Michael J -

Did this just become "Hezbollah Lover's" comments section?

Michael could you turn down the volume level on the noise or just permanently hit the mute button?

Or perhaps give the freek his own separate comments section... If 'anyone' like Farida and her Hitler lovers want to go over there and join in they could always do so.

Mike

Posted by: Mike Nargizian at January 11, 2007 04:51 PM

Why can't the MSM do this?

Actually, they can.

They can pay the Totten, the Yon, the Malkin, etc. by the piece or on an agreed retainer for limited, (non-edited) rights, and then publish them. Any time they want.

Posted by: Stephen at January 11, 2007 05:04 PM

I wouldn't say HL is a young punk. I would say he is a young kid who is in the thrall of an absolutist ideology that will ultimately get him or people he knows or loves killed. It was the same will the supporters of fascism and communism. It is just too bad that the price of his education will be other's deaths, as well as perhaps his own.

MJT, do you have any plans on writing a book?

Posted by: Jeff at January 11, 2007 06:16 PM

I wouldn't say HL is a young punk. I would say he is a young kid who is in the thrall of an absolutist ideology that will ultimately get him or people he knows or loves killed.

Yeah.

How do you educate someone who doesn't want to learn?

How do you convince someone who thinks they already know all of the pertinent facts?

How do you persuade someone who thinks you're lying?

We only have so much time to live. How much of it do you want to spend beating your head against a wall of ignorance?

It was the same will the supporters of fascism and communism.

IMO, the only significant difference between the fascist and the communist authoritarians is that the fascists were aggressive to the point of stupidity and got wiped out, while the communists had seven decades to build their perfect society and saw it turn to radioactive crap.

It is just too bad that the price of his education will be other's deaths, as well as perhaps his own.

Dunno. Ideas, like people, are subject to natural selection. Bad ideas bring suffering to those who hold them, good ideas benefit those who hold them*. Unfortunately, a lot of 'bad ideas' seem to have been labelled 'traditional culture' and extolled, when the reality of the situation is that those traditions are what cause a great deal of the problems in large portions of the world.

*obvious example: is picking a fight with the Israelis a good idea or a bad idea?

Posted by: rosignol at January 11, 2007 08:09 PM

First it was AlGhaliboon, now it's Hezbollah lover that you guys want to shut down.

Good work on freedom of speech.

Posted by: Lira at January 11, 2007 10:15 PM

Don't be silly, Lira. Hezbollah Lover hasn't been banned, and no one should expect their comments not to be challenged, especially not pro-Hezbollah comments on an American blog.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 11, 2007 10:25 PM

HL, you are a total idiot... As far as who won the war? As long as Israel still exists they have won the war!! In addition, how can you look at the damage done to Israel and the damage done to Lebanon and think anything else. As for the Palestinians the entire Arab world hates the Palestinians nearly as much as they hate the Israelis!! At the end of the day get your head out of your ASS and get a clue!! One of the major problems with the Middle East is quite simply the Arab-Muslim world is simply not that educated and as a result believe all of the BS their so called leaders deliver!!!!

Posted by: Michael A. at January 11, 2007 11:49 PM

Mike, first time I have seen one of your articles and I thought is was excellent!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!

Posted by: J Ster at January 11, 2007 11:52 PM

JEWS & MUSLIMS

Interesting facts:

The Global Islamic population is approximately
1,200,000,000, or 20% of the world population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:

1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1990 - Elias James Corey
1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics:

(none)

Medicine:

1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

****************************************************************

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000,
or about 0.02% of the world population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:

1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gusta! v Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Fe lix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann!
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani

1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abra ham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 ! - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen & Rita Levi-Montalcini
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis

The Jews are not promoting brain washing the children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims.

The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics.

The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel's part, the following two sentences really say it all:

If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be far less violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.

Posted by: J Ster at January 11, 2007 11:55 PM

ISRAELI FACTS & ACCOMPLISHMENTS

Here is a capsule of accomplishments you may not be fully aware of. Thought you might find these statistics interesting.

The Middle East has been growing date palms for centuries. The average tree is about 18-20 feet tall and yields about 38 pounds of dates a year.

Israeli trees are now yielding 400 pounds/year and are short enough to be harvested from the ground or a short ladder.

Israel, the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the world's population, can lay claim to the following:

The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development
center in Israel.

Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.

The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.

Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.

The Pentium microprocessor in your computer was most likely made in Israel.

Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.

The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined (excluding oil revenue of course.)

Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.

According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry's Most impenetrable flight security. U. S. officials now look to Israel for Advice on how to handle airborne security threats.

Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.

Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people --as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in
the world, except the U.S. (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world -- apart from
the Silicon Valley, U. S.

Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the U. S.

Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East.

The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.

On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.

Twenty-four per cent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees, ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and
Holland and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees.

Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.

In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews at Risk in Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.

When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.

When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998, Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day -- and saved three
victims from the rubble.

Israel has the third highest rate of etrepreneurship -- and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.

Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.

Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as "conflict free."

Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.

Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees, made more remarkable because this was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.

Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.

Medicine... Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from
medical treatment. Every year in U. S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

Israel's Givun Imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from
the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.

Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives
among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of
sensors.

Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U. S.,
over 70 in Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.

A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue
light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct -- all without damaging surrounding skin or tissue.

An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in
southern California's Mojave desert.

All the above while engaged in regular wars with ... an implacable enemy... that seeks its destruction, and an economy continuously under strain by having to spend more per capita on its own protection than any other county on earth.

THE STATE OF ISRAEL .. .continues to EXCEL!

Posted by: J Ster at January 12, 2007 12:08 AM

Hezbollah Lover, all of your Anti-Semitic propaganda will not change any of the facts listed above.

Have a pleasant evening.

Posted by: J Ster at January 12, 2007 12:13 AM

"Do YOU think Israel has territorial ambitions in Lebanon at all?"

They obviously do when they occupy the south for 18 years, don't they?

They surely do when they occupy the 7 villages for 59 years, don't they?

The obviously do when they occupy the Shib'a farms and Kfar Shouba for 38 years, don't they?

If they didn't have any such ambitions, why don't they just leave them? Isn't worth the hassle it's causing. Give the land back to it's rightful owners.

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 12, 2007 03:30 AM

"First it was AlGhaliboon, now it's Hezbollah lover that you guys want to shut down.

Good work on freedom of speech."

You couldn't have said it any better

"Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism."

Im with you MJT, but i don't think someone urging you to block me is someone critisising me. Or is another case, trying to "victimise" me of being one of the millions who have been brainwashed with ideology of some kind.

If im a fascist, instead oftrying to ignore me then jump up when i get someone killed, try challenging my ideas without using the same rhetoric i deal with. Sustain a good arguement against me and make me realise im wrong. And like they say, the eye doesn't lie. half the things i talk about i have seen with my own eyes. I have seen the Hypocracy of some of you even here, let alone in what used to be occupied south lebanon and the inhumanity some IDF soldiers used to act in.

As for my opinions, im entiteled to them like you're entitled to yours. If i see you've made a mistake, i tell you about it. If you challenge me, i argue back. If you insult me, i'll just ignore you for another fool. If you sustain a good arguement without any bullshit rhetoric about myself and what i believe in, then you win, as the fellow americans call it, my "heart and mind" :P

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 12, 2007 03:40 AM

"As long as Israel still exists they have won the war!!"

Yes, but no-one has so far launched any war to extinct Israel. Some may claim they want to annihalate the country, but haven't made any attemp. Your claim is baseless, but true in theory.

Therefore, in theory and practice it's true for hizbollah. IDF set out to crush and destroy hizbollah, but then claimed that "no army in the world is able to disintegrate an organisation such as this one (hizbollah)" - words of Israeli foreign minister, not mines.

If both entities were able to survive the war, the stage then goes to "points" ad Halutz claimed. I not talking about how many civilian each ofthem had tried and did kill, or infrastructure. Just who's force got a bigger blow from this war. Consider the least, im not bothered for details, ill tell you couple of things israeli leaders and commanders have said, and what our leaders and commanders say.

Olmert said sayyid hassan nasrallah was the braves and most fearless man in the world. As well as a great leader who works hard for the future.

Sayyid Hassan Said of Olmert that he's the most foolish PM in Israel's history to have launched a war against Hizbollah, especially at the time it was done. He also said that Olmert was a coward and would regret the war. The Sayyids comments were confirmed in the evens after the war. 86% of the country doesn't trust the whole administration, while 94% don't want Olmert. On the ther hand, sayyid hassan nasrallah's stature and hezbollah's popularity has been on an incline since the first hours of the war. Even christians are calling hizbollah a resistance, where before none used to say such thing.

Acoording to polls carried out by IPSOSTAT, and published on Tayyar's main page: The Aounists and their allies got 67.9%, while the Kataeb and their allies got 25.7% Source, a pro-harriri blog:- beirutspring.blogspot.com

So im right about Oun's popularity and MJT you're very very wrong. You said less than 30% were on our side and the rest on theirs, but you got it the other way round, eh? ;)

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 12, 2007 03:56 AM

"It authorized the CIA and other agencies to fund anti- Hezbollah groups in Lebanon and pay for activists supporting the Siniora government..." nytimes.com

MJT, I fail to reaslise why you failed to report that serniora activists are on a payroll? Not for demonstrating and sitting-in fordays on end, just to say "im with seniora" or "we love you seniora" you're on a payroll. Its obivious you're an admirer of the man and his party, so tell me this, does the CIA give as much as hizbollah? :D lol

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 12, 2007 04:23 AM

"On August 1 the European Union decided, again, not to put the Islamic Hezbollah movement on its blacklist of terrorist organizations...The consequences of this decision? Hezbollah is transformed into a legitimate organization that indirectly receives funding from the E.U. and can legally raise financial support through and with the help of E.U. institutions." - http://www.stanfordreview.org/Archive/Volume_XXXVII/Issue_10/World/world2.shtml

Hizbollah is more legitimate in most countries' eyes than it is illegitimate. Would Al-qaida or stern gangs get the same results as hizbollah did in these EU "Terrorist" election?

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 12, 2007 04:26 AM

Why is HL still allowed to post on this blog?

Posted by: Ron Snyder at January 12, 2007 05:30 AM

Here are some facts regarding Middle East History.

There is no historic Muslim claim to Jerusalem. It is not mentioned in the Koran; there is only a brief reference to a city which later was attributed to Jerusalem

In addition, as I read the posts it would actually be nice if somebody could maybe back up their statements with some FACTS, perhaps.

Anyway, here's a little crash course in Middle Eastern History for you:

Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital

Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures.
Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.
King David founded the city of Jerusalem.
Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.
Jews pray facing Jerusalem.
Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.

Arab and Jewish Refugees

In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000.
The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.

Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory.

Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands.
Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

The Arab - Israeli Conflict

The Arabs (Muslims) are represented by 22 separate nations, not including the Palestinians.
There is only one Jewish nation.
The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost.
Israel defended itself each time and won.
The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel.
Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with weapons.
Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship.
Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs

The U.N was silent while the Jordanians destroyed 58 Jerusalem Synagogues.
The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.
The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.

These are the facts. Now it up to you to decide who is correct in the Arab (Palestinian) – Israeli conflict!!

Posted by: J Ster at January 12, 2007 07:58 AM

Definition of Terrorism
"the unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives."
-- U.S. Department of Defense publication

THE PUPPETS OF HEZBOLLAH (a quick news clip): The Iranian-backed and Syrian-supported Hezbollah; state sponsors' use of secular Palestinian groups was also of concern. [3] Hezbollah pioneered the use of suicide bombers in the Middle East, and was linked to the 1983 bombing and subsequent deaths of 241 U.S. marines in Beirut, Lebanon, as well as multiple kidnappings of U.S. and Western civilians and government officials. WHAT COWARDS!!!!!!

Posted by: J Ster at January 12, 2007 08:09 AM

(Descriptions taken directly from the U.S. State Department publication "Patterns of Global Terrorism, 2000")

• Hezbollah: Radical Shia group formed in 1982 in Lebanon. Strongly anti-Western and anti-Israeli. Closely allied with, and often directed by, Iran. Known or suspected to have been involved in numerous anti-U.S. terrorist attacks, including the suicide truck bombing of the U.S. Embassy and U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut in October 1983 and the U.S. Embassy annex in Beirut in September 1984. Elements of the group were responsible for the kidnapping and detention of U.S. and other Western hostages in Lebanon. The group also attacked the Israeli Embassy in Argentina in 1992 and is a suspect in the 1994 bombing of the Israeli cultural center in Buenos Aires. Operates in the Bekaa Valley, the southern suburbs of Beirut, and southern Lebanon. Has established cells in Europe, Africa, South America, North America, and Asia. Receives substantial amounts of financial, training, weapons, explosives, political, diplomatic, and organizational aid from Iran and Syria.

Posted by: J Ster at January 12, 2007 08:11 AM

HL, how can you actually believe the crap that you spewed throughout these posts? If Jeffrey Dahmer took care of his family or donated money to worthy charities or rescued stray puppies would that have made him any less of a cannibalistic murderer? Of course not. Then why is it so hard for some to call terrorists what they are? I think it is necessary that news organizations report the other side of terrorist organizations so that the public can understand how so many in the Muslim world would seemingly support them. But that does not mean that they are not still terrorist organizations.

When an organization is "the source of countless raids, bombings and attacks on Israel," bombs U.S. Marines and engages in "all those displays in which young men cover their faces (COWARDS), strap mock bombs to their chests, and parade before the cameras pledging to kill any and all soldiers and civilians alike who oppose their cause," it is safe to call them terrorists. Got any more questions?

I ALSO NOTICED THERE ARE NO COMMENTS REGARDING ISRAELI ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT HAVE MADE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE...

Posted by: J Ster at January 12, 2007 08:29 AM

I think the most telling difference between a terrorist and an Israeli soldier was the cartoon someone posted a few months ago. A terrorist is portrayed firing his weapon from behind a baby carriage (HEZBOLLAH COWARDS). An Israeli soldier was portrayed as firing his weapon from in front of a baby carriage (PROTECTING CIVILIANS). Using your own countrymen as shields is neither heroic nor shows that you have any love for your people.

In addition, for the record Israel left southern Lebanon under tremendous political pressure from within and from the USA. Not because some weak loud mouthed propaganda seeking machine called Hezbollah forced them out. Unfortunately, instead of taking the opportunity to make peace the Hezbollah brought in weapons and dug into bunkers and hid amongst civilians.

Posted by: J Ster at January 12, 2007 08:43 AM

HL: This was your response to my question --
""Do YOU think Israel has territorial ambitions in Lebanon at all?"

They obviously do when they occupy the south for 18 years, don't they?

They surely do when they occupy the 7 villages for 59 years, don't they?

The obviously do when they occupy the Shib'a farms and Kfar Shouba for 38 years, don't they?

If they didn't have any such ambitions, why don't they just leave them? Isn't worth the hassle it's causing. Give the land back to it's rightful owners."

What do you think Israel's ambitions in the region are? What is it you think they want? Do you think if Hezbollah disarmed and the Lebanese border was quiet, i.e., neither Hezbollah or Palestinians in Lebanon launched missiles or conducted raids over the border than Israel would still have territorial ambitions in Lebanon? If yes, then what would they want and why?

I still haven't heard from any other Lebanese? Maybe this thread is just dead.

Posted by: dontgetit at January 12, 2007 10:30 AM

"There is no historic Muslim claim to Jerusalem. It is not mentioned in the Koran; there is only a brief reference to a city which later was attributed to Jerusalem"

If you want to start talking centuries ago, then the pyramids might as well be relocated to israel, after-all, the jews did build them.

Its not about whether the land is muslim or jewish, the fact is its holy to all three religions, islam, christianity and judaism. The thing thats gone wrong in palestine is the fact that Arabs, having been the occupants of palistinian land for centuries rightfully theirs, and their was a violent take-over of the country by the jews, who were the sheer minority (around 5% of the population at the time) and what followed was even more ridiculous. The relocation of millions of european and american jews to this newly captured land, thats what upsets everyone.

90% of Jews in Israel are not arabs. They are either european, american or ethiopian (african). Its not that jews are in the land, its the fact that non-arab jews were relocated and forced themselves on the land rightfully arab.

"Here are some facts regarding Middle East History."

And heres one for you :D

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 12, 2007 10:35 AM

"Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel."

1) You mentioned "Arab Refugees". Lol, what are they seeking refuge from? and why? exactly ;). A refugee is someone rooted out of his original habitat for political or violent reasons. Yes?

2) Under British mandate the area was called palistine, couple of decades before israel existed. Therefore, the people are palistinians. Go wikipedia and check how old the palistinian flag is ;).

3) If you want to go back thousands of years back, what is now syria, lebanon, palistine and a huge chunk of jordan were all called al-sham, with damascus, the oldest city in the world, its capital. They were called Al-Sham, or a you know it, The Syria or Greater Syria as some people like to call it. This was like 5000 years before chritianity, probably older than judaism itself. So, you're now in you twisted theory on syrian land ;). And if you're israeli, you're actually a syrian hahahaha You see how dumb and funny that is, tahts how you sound when you bring these things up.

4) Israel is not a country. Israel is a tribe, which happened to be jewish. In the torah, bible and quran, they are called BANI ISRAEL, bani meaning tribe, israel meaning israel. The only true israeli's are ones with biological links to a person with israel being his second name. I know quiet a few israelites (people with israel as their second name), two of whom used to attend the same college as me. So, you got your facts wrong my friend. Israel = tribe, not country.

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 12, 2007 10:48 AM

"Mohammed never came to Jerusalem."

Actually, he did. Go learn something about islam then come talk. Everyone knows muhammed did stay at jeruselem. The Dome of Rock, does it ring any bells? Yes, under that done is a rock, a big one. This is the same rock from which the prophet ascended to the 7 heavens. The rock still floats between earth and space (its 3cm off the ground). This is the same rock which the israelis have put foundation works on, so that it doesn't "fall". They done this to cover the fact that the rock is floating. When anyone asks, they claim its the foundations lifting it. I mean, why the hell would you put foundations on a worthless ROCK, whats more you lift it up by 3cm off the ground (if the theory the rock is floating isn't true).

I dont know, i haven't seen the actual thing floating or any pic of it. So im not with believing it or disbelieving. I hear stories and i have seen the rock with foundations, which does raise a few eyebrows.

"Jews pray facing Jerusalem."

No, they pray facing that wall they believe was part of solomons temple, which they believe is now underground. Yes, it's in jeruselem, but thats not the point. If the temple was in bethlehem, they would've been praying towards their, gerrit?

"Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem."

Again, go learn islam a tinsy winsy bit more then come back please. Muslims were one of the first to pray towards the quds, jeruselem, and the jews used to pray towards the ka'ba (the prophet ibrahim and his son, musa (moses) built the ka'ba, both jewish prophets, wierd they don't care about it no more and some want it nuked too!) Then it was reversed for some odd reason.

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 12, 2007 11:02 AM

To "dongetit" -
You obviously don't get it, can't be clearer,
They want more land and, more importantly, more WATER. Palistine is mostly empty fields and waste deserts and hardly any rivers. Its also a very hot mediteranean country. They need more land and the water that goes with it.

You ever heard of Greater Israel? I'm sure you have. You know, the one stretching from the Nile to the Furat (in iraq). Why would they need all that land? Ask them not me. Whats more pathetic is that theres like 15million jews in the world. Why all that land? its my turn to ask you.

Posted by: hezbollah lover at January 12, 2007 11:12 AM

"Actually, he did. Go learn something about islam then come talk. Everyone knows muhammed did stay at jeruselem. The Dome of Rock, does it ring any bells? Yes, under that done is a rock, a big one. This is the same rock from which the prophet ascended to the 7 heavens. The rock still floats between earth and space (its 3cm off the ground). This is the same rock which the israelis have put foundation works on, so that it doesn't "fall". They done this to cover the fact that the rock is floating. When anyone asks, they claim its the foundations lifting it. I mean, why the hell would you put foundations on a worthless ROCK, whats more you lift it up by 3cm off the ground (if the theory the rock is floating isn't true).

I dont know, i haven't seen the actual thing floating or any pic of it. So im not with believing it or disbelieving. I hear stories and i have seen the rock with foundations, which does raise a few eyebrows."

Something (or someone) is floating 3 cm. off the ground; I don't think it's the rock :-)

Posted by: Paul M at January 12, 2007 11:56 AM

HL, we have seen the many achievements in the last 60 years of the state of Israel listed above. That has helped all of humankind. What have you and your Muslim brothers done in the last 60 years but bring war, death and mayhem to numerous parts of the world. (INDIA, USA, ISRAEL, UNITED KINGDOM, FRANCE, ITALY, SPAIN, PHILIPPINES, ETC...) If you need specific acts I can give them to you as well. I mean if you hate Israel so much then why have you (Fanatical Muslims) done terrorist acts across the globe?

FROM WIKIPEDIA (thanks HL): Israel has a vibrant cultural life and a technologically and industrially advanced economy. Israel was ranked 23rd out of 177 countries in the United Nations Human Development Index, the highest ranking in the Middle East and 3rd highest in all of Asia. HL, with all of their OIL money where are your Muslim brothers ranked on the Human Development Index… LOL

Posted by: J Ster at January 12, 2007 12:13 PM

HL: 90% of Jews in Israel are not arabs.

1) I would imagine the statistic is actually somewhat higher. However, if you mean Jews from the Middle East, well, something like 750,000 Jews were forced out of neighboring Arab countries in 1948, about as many as Arabs leaving Israel. Where did thay all go? 750,000 is more than 5% of 5.5 million.

2) There's another analogy to the wonderful HL paying off the families of "martyrs." Again from The Godfather:

The Great Depression increased the power of Vito Corleone. And indeed it was about that time he came to be called Don Corleone. Everywhere in the city, honest men begged for honest work in vain. Proud men demeaned themselves and their families to accept official charity from a contemptuous officialdom. But the men of Don Corleone walked the streets with their heads held high, their pockets stuffed with silver and paper money. With no fear of losing their jobs. And even Don Corleone, that most modest of men, could not help feeling a sense of pride. He was taking care of his world, his people. He had not failed those who depended on him and gave him the sweat of their brows, risked their freedom and their lives in his service. And when an employee of his was arrested and sent to prison by some mischance, that unfortunate man’s family received a living allowance; and not a miserly, beggarly, begrudging pittance but the same amount the man earned when free.
This of course was not pure Christian charity. Not his best friends would have called Don Corleone a saint from heaven. There was some self-interest in this generosity. An employee sent to prison knew he had only to keep his mouth shut and his wife and children would be cared for. He knew that if he did not inform to the police a warm welcome would be his when he left prison. There would be a party waiting in his home, the best of food, homemade ravioli, wine, pastries, with all his friends and relatives gathered to rejoice in his freedom. And sometime during the night the Consigliere, Genco Abbandando, or perhaps even the Don himself, would drop by to pay his respects to such a stalwart, take a glass of wine in his honor, and leave a handsome present of money so that he could enjoy a week or two of leisure with his family before returning to his daily toil. Such was the infinite sympathy and understanding of Don Corleone.
Posted by: nichevo at January 12, 2007 12:50 PM

Establishment of the State of Israel

The UN General Assembly approved the 1947 UN Partition Plan dividing the territory into two states, with the Jewish area consisting of roughly 55% of the less inhabitable land, and the Arab area consisting of roughly 45%. Jerusalem was planned to be an international region administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status. Immediately following the adoption of the Partition Plan by the UN General Assembly on November 29, 1947, David Ben-Gurion tentatively accepted the partition, while the Arab League rejected it. The Arab Higher Committee immediately ordered a violent three-day strike on Jewish civilians, attacking buildings, shops, and neighborhoods, and prompting counter-attacks organized by underground Jewish militias like the Lehi and Irgun. These attacks soon turned into widespread fighting between Arabs and Jews, this civil war being the first "phase" of the 1948 War of Independence. SO AS HISTORY CLEARLY STATES THE MUSLIMS ATTACKED THE JEWISH SIDE HL… YOU HAVE TO STOP YOUR CRYING BECAUSE YOU LOST THE WAR AGAINST AN ARMY THAT WAS NOT EVEN ESTABLISHED YET!!!!

The State of Israel was proclaimed on May 14, 1948, one day before the expiry of the Palestine Mandate. Israel was admitted as a member of the United Nations on May 11, 1949.

1948 War of Independence

Following the State of Israel's establishment, the armies of Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon declared war on Israel and began the second phase of the 1948 Arab – Israeli War. From the north, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq were all but stopped relatively close to the borders. Jordanian forces, invading from the east, captured East Jerusalem and laid siege on the city's west. However, forces of the Haganah successfully stopped most invading forces, and Irgun forces halted Egyptian encroachment from the south. At the beginning of June, the UN declared a one-month ceasefire during which the Israel Defense Forces were officially formed. After numerous months of war, a ceasefire was declared in 1949 and temporary borders, known as the Green Line, were instituted. Israel had gained an additional 26% of the Mandate territory west of the Jordan River. Jordan, for its part, held the large mountainous areas of Judea and Samaria, which became known as the West Bank. Egypt took control of a small strip of land along the coast, which became known as the Gaza Strip. HL, BASICALLY DURING THE ISRAELI WAR OF INDEPENDENCE ALL OF YOUR MUSLIM BROTHERS ONCE AGAIN ATTACKED AND LOST… ALL OF THE EGYPTIANS AND JORDANIANS WHO FLED DURING THIS WAR LATER BECAME KNOWN AS PALESTINIANS… WHICH IS WHY THERE REALLY IS NO SUCH A THING AS A PALESTINIAN – THEY ARE ALL JORDANAN, EGYPTIAN OR FROM SOME OTHER ARAB COUNTRY. IN ADDITION IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GO BACK IN HISTORY THE JEWISH RELIGION ALONG WITH THE HINDU RELIGION CAN BE TRACED BACK FURTHER OVER 5,000 YEARS THAT ANY OTHER CURRENT WORLD RELIGION. THEREFORE, THE JEWS WHO HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN WHAT IS NOW ISRAEL HAVE MORE OF A RIGHT TO THE LAND THEN ANYONE ELSE. BUT FORGETTING ALL OF THAT THE ARAB NATIONS ATTACKED AND INSTIGATED EVERY WAR AND THEY HAVE LOST EVERY WAR… THEY COULD HAVE HAD PEACE BUT INSTEAD CHOSE TO START WARS WHERE THEY WERE BEATEN AGAIN AND AGAIN!! SO STOP CRYING HL AND FIGURE SOMETHING ELSE TO BITCH ABOUT!!

Finally, on October 6, 1973, the day in 1973 of the Jewish Yom Kippur fast, the Egyptian and Syrian armies launched a surprise attack against Israel. Despite early successes against an unprepared Israeli army, Egypt and Syria were eventually repelled by the Israeli forces.
DURING THIS WAR SYRIA WENT INTO SYNAGOGUES AND SLAUGHTERED WOMAN AND CHILDREN. HOWEVER, ONCE AGAIN HL DESPITE ALL OF THE CRAP AND SUPERIOR MAN POWER THE ARAB NATIONS WHO ATTACKED WERE ONCE AGAIN BEATEN AND COULD HAVE BEEN DESTROYED IF ISRAEL HAD CHOSEN TO DO SO. REMEMBER. IF ISRAEL LOST ANY WAR THE PSYCHO TERRORISTS LIKE HEZBOLLAH WOULD KILL EVERY JEW IN ISRAEL. MEANWHILE ISRAEL HAS WON EVERY WAR AND HAVE HELPED BUILD THE VERY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE PALESTINIANS HAVE IN THEIR TERRITORIES THAT WERE GIVEN BACK TO THEM BY THE ISRAELIS. EDUCATE YOURSELF BEFORE SPEWING ALL OF YOUR GARBAGE!! THE MUSLIMS (ARAB NATIONS) HAVE LOST EVERY WAR AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.

SORRY HL BUT ALL OF YOUR BS WILL NOT CHANGE HISTORY!!!!!!

Posted by: J Ster at January 12, 2007 01:03 PM

Who is the founder of Islam?

The prophet Muhammad (who was born in A.D. 570 at Mecca, in Saudi Arabia, is often regarded as the founder of Islam. He was the last prophet to be supposedly sent by Allah. There were many prophets before Muhammad (pbuh) including: Ibrahim (Abraham – 1ST JEW), Musa (Moses - JEW) and Isa (Jesus - JEW). HL, YOU SURE DO PRAY TO A LOT OF JEWS!!!!!!!! LOL...

Posted by: J Ster at January 12, 2007 01:08 PM

"What have you and your Muslim brothers done in the last 60 years but bring war, death and mayhem to numerous parts of the world. (INDIA, USA, ISRAEL, UNITED KINGDOM, FRANCE, ITALY, SPAIN, PHILIPPINES, ETC...)"

Thats a very stupid comment, and a very ironic one since in fact all wars in the middle east in the past 60 years were caused by israels very existance and started by israel. British secrets which were released not so long ago showed that in 1969, israel was only in a state of war with egypt, not syria and jordan. Israel knew it could take on all 3 countries because of the influx of people (all still fresh from the ww2) and weapons. So the israelis actually fired at each other on the border of jordan and syria then attacked both countries as well as egypt "pre-emptively".

Israel also attacked and occupied and now annexed lebanese lands. The area they captured in 1948 is called the 7 villages. What was there in 1948 in lebanon other than prosperity, wealth, and brilliant economy?

Then again, it's only been the last 60 years that germany, italy, britain and france allowed sovereignty to the nations they colonised, including all the middle east, africa, most of asia and more.

It's also very ironic since in the past 60 years its the west that went crazy with the wars. ww2, vietnam, korea, iraq twice, lebanon, cuba, soviet union, poland, czech slovakia, croatia (well, all of europe was fucking up each other), bosnia and serbia india colonised by britain with thousands massacred, somalia invaded, kosovo war, china war, fliping hell in just over 60 years you lot have started countless wars, i forgot afghanistan and the threat to iran. I mean i can literarly go on and on about the atrocities. I mean, more people have died from car crashes in the USA than every single war put together, but you always tend to kill couple of hundred thousand before you think the jobs finished. Accorsing to bush, the job isn't finished yet in iraq, maybe a little bit more suffering will be it.

Sir, you need a history lesson, and you need it bad. Peanuts in the US have killed more people than all terrorist attacks put together. I bet more people in britain have died trying to climb the stairs than all terorist attacks.

And you are actually trying to convince me that israel is better developing or faster developing or higher developed than dubai? or kuwait where one dinar = 5.8 dollars? lol you must be kidding me. Secondly, all these corrupt arab nations, your US government support them. I certainly don't support them, and i dnt think their people do neither. Its ur beautifuly fair and justice seeking admin that loves them up so much, like they loved saddam, and the shah and now mubarak and the two abdullahs of jordan and saudi.

In asia, china is developing faster than israel, so is hong kong DEFINATELY, so is kuwait by faaar, so is dubai, also by far, so please dnt come sell me this bullshit.

Israel without america just wouldn't be. Poof. Thats what would happen if america ditches israel. You know it, i know it and so does everyone else.

Posted by: hizbollah lover at January 12, 2007 03:20 PM

MJT, I find it very sick and disturbing that some-one in this blog, J Ster, denies the existance of a whole people, Palistinians. I'm not asking for a ban or w.e. i just want you to either warn him, or correct him for future referrence.

Just like you don't accept the endorsement of anti-semite stuff such as Protocols of the Elders of Zion, im sure you wouldn't also accept Anti-Semite propaganda denying the exestence of the palistinian people. (Arabs are the same race as that of the jews, YES we are both Semites. Anti-Semite isn't anti-Jew, its anti-a-race which makes up the arabs and jews, or middle easterners).

PS J Ster, just in case you was wondering, the biggest proof there were palisitinian nation is that they had their own currency, dirham. On it was written Palestinian Republic with dates as old as 1930's. I'm not going to argue the existance of a people, the least i can say is that arabs are known from their accents, different arabs talk different accents of arabic. Palistinians have their own distinct accent. Thats the LEAST to say, but im not going to argue about wether or not palistinians existed because that in itself is to doubt such people existed, and im not here to promote such thoughts. They're sick and inhuman.

Posted by: hizbollah lover at January 12, 2007 03:37 PM

For once I agree with Hezbollah Lover.

Of course Palestinians exist and are distinct from other Arabs. Their political culture is, well, let's just say it's unique. And let's just say, also, that Palestinians are not very popular in Arab countries, anti-Israei rhetoric notwithstanding.

The idea that Arabs are a monolithic bloc, all the same people, is nothing but Arab Nationalist propaganda. It's hilarious and sad that some extreme Zionists buy into that.

The only thing all Arabs have in common is an anceint root language, that of the Koran. Nothing else in the world unites, for example, a French-educated Lebanese Druze, a Christian from Bethlehem, a Bedouin from the Negev, and a goat herder from Yemen.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at January 12, 2007 03:47 PM

This is the same rock which the israelis have put foundation works on, so that it doesn't "fall". They done this to cover the fact that the rock is floating

This is the Muslim version of the easter bunny. Mothers tell their children that the evil Jews are hiding the magic floating rock! So evil!

And REALLY stupid Muslims still believe this story when they're old enough to be in college (not that I believe that a kid who can't tell "their" from "there" is in college). These really stupid Muslims are the ones terrorist groups pick for suicide missions. The drool all the way to the bus stop.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 12, 2007 05:14 PM

Anyway the floating rock is emblematic of everything "hezbollah lover" believes. There is nothing they could tell him that he wouldn't believe. He's the most credulous fool on the planet. Someone has him wrapped around his finger.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 12, 2007 05:20 PM

Don't be silly, Lira. Hezbollah Lover hasn't been banned, and no one should expect their comments not to be challenged, especially not pro-Hezbollah comments on an American blog.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism.

Michael, I was referring to this:

Did this just become "Hezbollah Lover's" comments section?

Michael could you turn down the volume level on the noise or just permanently hit the mute button?

Michael Nargizian

Why is HL still allowed to post on this blog?

Ron Snyder

I was a bit concerned that this went beyond criticism and more towards shut down... btw where is AlGhaliboon? Is it better not to listen to his comments or to what he has to say?

Posted by: Lira at January 12, 2007 06:08 PM

DNA markers are more telling than the eye of the beholder or the claims of subsequent religious views.

http://phoenicia.org/genetics.html

http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/346genetics.html

Jews are Native to the Middle East.

Posted by: JAS at January 12, 2007 07:51 PM

HL, you said to go to the Wikipedia website and retrieve information. It is not my fault that every Arab nation is a third world country!! You would think with all of the wealth that Oil has brought (you have nothing else – Oil is the only reason you are relevant in any way to the rest of the world) that the standard of living in all Arab nations would be better. I mean look at Iran for example and their unemployment rate. Then again regardless of what you think the fact is that Israel is the most economically advanced nation in the Middle East. By the way I have been to both Jordan and Egypt and I have seen how many of your people live. By the way this is of course J Ster I just changed my name to something more fitting!!

FROM WIKIPEDIA (thanks HL): Israel has a vibrant cultural life and a technologically and industrially advanced economy. Israel was ranked 23rd out of 177 countries in the United Nations Human Development Index, the highest ranking in the Middle East and 3rd highest in all of Asia. HL, with all of their OIL money where are your Muslim brothers ranked on the Human Development Index… LOL

(from HL to HH: Thats a very stupid comment, and a very ironic one since in fact all wars in the middle east in the past 60 years were caused by israels very existance and started by israel. British secrets which were released not so long ago showed that in 1969, israel was only in a state of war with egypt, not syria and jordan. Israel knew it could take on all 3 countries because of the influx of people (all still fresh from the ww2) and weapons. So the israelis actually fired at each other on the border of jordan and syria then attacked both countries as well as egypt "pre-emptively".)

Again HL you are showing your stupidity!! But then again every history book must be wrong so that your “Muslim conspiracy theory” can work. Unfortunately, for you outside of the Arab world the majority of the population on earth knows that everything you have written above is BS.

(From HL to HH: In asia, china is developing faster than israel, so is hong kong DEFINATELY, so is kuwait by faaar, so is dubai, also by far, so please dnt come sell me this bullshit.)

Once again “genius” you are wrong because if you do any research you will see that these countries lag far behind Israel as economically advanced nations so there growth while real still does not even approach what Israel has accomplished in 58 short years. Nice try though!! But please no more opinions just facts!!

Posted by: Hezbollah Hater at January 12, 2007 08:20 PM

HL, when are we going to see all of the wonderful things that the Arab world has done for humankind across the globe over the past 58 years. LOL... Please, don't use Oil though because that was just dumb luck that quite a few Arab nations had it in the ground and that the USA educated them on how to get it. Anyway, incase HL and others like him have forgotten:

ISRAELI FACTS & ACCOMPLISHMENTS

Here is a capsule of accomplishments you may not be fully aware of. Thought you might find these statistics interesting.

The Middle East has been growing date palms for centuries. The average tree is about 18-20 feet tall and yields about 38 pounds of dates a year.

Israeli trees are now yielding 400 pounds/year and are short enough to be harvested from the ground or a short ladder.

Israel, the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the world's population, can lay claim to the following:

The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development
center in Israel.

Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.

The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.

Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.

The Pentium microprocessor in your computer was most likely made in Israel.

Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.

The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined (excluding oil revenue of course.)

Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.

According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry's Most impenetrable flight security. U. S. officials now look to Israel for Advice on how to handle airborne security threats.

Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.

Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people --as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in
the world, except the U.S. (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world -- apart from
the Silicon Valley, U. S.

Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the U. S.

Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East.

The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.

On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.

Twenty-four per cent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees, ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and
Holland and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees.

Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.

In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews at Risk in Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.

When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.

When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998, Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day -- and saved three
victims from the rubble.

Israel has the third highest rate of etrepreneurship -- and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.

Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.

Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as "conflict free."

Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.

Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees, made more remarkable because this was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.

Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.

Medicine... Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from
medical treatment. Every year in U. S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

Israel's Givun Imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from
the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.

Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives
among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of
sensors.

Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U. S.,
over 70 in Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.

A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue
light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct -- all without damaging surrounding skin or tissue.

An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in
southern California's Mojave desert.

All the above while engaged in regular wars with ... an implacable enemy... that seeks its destruction, and an economy continuously under strain by having to spend more per capita on its own protection than any other county on earth.

THE STATE OF ISRAEL .. .continues to EXCEL!

Posted by: Hezbollah Hater at January 12, 2007 08:28 PM

where is AlGhaliboon? Is it better not to listen to his comments or to what he has to say

You could go check out his blog where he recently posted that (and this was the translation given) "we have to fight until we are free and have purged Jerusalem from those who defile the Al Asqa mosque."

He also spoke of "unpatriating" all Palestinian Christians who have Lebanese citizenship.

Oh he's one ugly, sectarian, hating, violent mother f**ker. Let's listen to what he has to say, 24-7.

I'm sorry, there are people and idiologies so far beyond the pale that no one should ever listen to them. We only have to oppose them.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 12, 2007 08:35 PM

Josh Scholar, I could not agree with you more. HL has yet to really say something positive that his people have accomplished. Instead, he has bashed the West and everyone else who is not a Muslim Extremist sympathizer. Instead of spewing negativity let’s hear something outside of terrorism and Oil that his people have achieved in recent times. He is a young TERRORIST in Training!!

“UNFORTUNATELY IN TODAY’S WORLD IT SEEMS AS THOUGH NOT EVERY MUSLIM IS A TERRORIST… BUT EVERY TERRORIST SEEMS TO BE A MUSLIM.”

Of course, the statement above is far from true. However, people like HL will stop people who are willing to listen from ever really hearing what can be done to achieve peace outside of annihilating every human being in the Middle East (IRAN hates Iraq, Saudi Arabia hates Iran and the Shiite Muslims (10% to 15% of all Muslims) hate the Sunni Muslims (85% to 90% of all Muslims) and they both hate the Jews and the Christians…

WHEN DOES THE HATRED STOP!!

Posted by: Hezbollah Hater at January 12, 2007 09:19 PM

Smokey says, ONLY YOU CAN PREVENT INTERNET SHOUTING!

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 12, 2007 09:43 PM

When will MUSLIM Arabs stop KILLING other MUSLIM Arabs???

HAMAS – FATAH (Palestinians)
IRAN – IRAQ
IRAQ (SUNNI & SHITTE)
LEBANON – Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah the Psycho (Katyusha rockets launched into Israel killed numerous Arabs Israelis during the 2006 conflict)… At least even though Nasrallah the MORON ran his mouth and promised he would hit Tel Aviv he never came close… Just another lie!! I guess since he hid like a coward in Iran or Syria (more likely Iran) while his men died in Lebanon we should not be surprised!!

Anyway, the article below is just another example of MUSLIMS killing MUSLIMS.

Last time I looked all of these people are supposedly Palestinian…

Gunmen Target 3 Hamas Leaders; 4th Slain
By KARIN LAUB, Associated Press Writer
3 HOURS AGO 1-4-07

RAMALLAH, West Bank - In a new round of factional fighting, assailants targeted three senior Hamas officials in the West Bank, kidnapping one, torching the car of a second and shooting in the air as a third emerged from a mosque, security officials said Thursday.
Separately, a member of a Hamas security force was killed Thursday when his car came under fire from unidentified assailants in the Jebaliaya refugee camp in Gaza, a force spokesman said. Four other people were wounded. Hamas accused Fatah of the attack, but Fatah denied involvement.
The persistent clashes that began in Gaza a month ago are a result of the intensifying power struggle between the Islamic militant Hamas and the Fatah movement led by moderate President Mahmoud Abbas. Both sides have hardened their positions, dooming truce attempts to quick failure.
Hamas blamed Fatah for the West Bank attacks, which came just hours after four Fatah loyalists were killed in battles with Hamas in Gaza. Clashes also erupted Thursday during the funeral for the victims of Wednesday's fighting in Gaza, and five people were wounded.

Posted by: Hezbollah Hater at January 12, 2007 09:55 PM

I understand what you are saying Josh... However, the only way to get through to some people is by writing in CAPITAL LETTERS so that they can understand what needs to be emphasized.

Posted by: Hezbollah Hater at January 12, 2007 10:00 PM

HL, you are a typical uneducated Palestinian whose family must be well off since you are living in the UK. Why don't you get an education and go live in the West Bank and support Hamas who has done nothing for your people like Yassir Arafat before them. I mean at least Arafat had the ability to steal hundreds of millions of dollars from your people before he died. Hopefully, for your sake and the sake of all Palestinians Abbas (who I don’t like but at least respect because he has a brain) will have his chance to make peace with Israel.

Posted by: Hezbollah Hater at January 12, 2007 10:14 PM

From HL to HH: "Just like you don't accept the endorsement of anti-semite stuff such as Protocols of the Elders of Zion, im sure you wouldn't also accept Anti-Semite propaganda denying the exestence of the palistinian people. (Arabs are the same race as that of the jews, YES we are both Semites. Anti-Semite isn't anti-Jew, its anti-a-race which makes up the arabs and jews, or middle easterners)."

HL, A LITTLE EDUCATION FOR YOU

Antisemitism - From Wikipedia, free encyclopedia

Antisemitism (alternatively spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, racial, or ethnic group, which can range in expression from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution. While the term's etymology may imply that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, it is in practice used exclusively to refer to hostility towards Jews. The highly explicit ideology of Adolf Hitler's Nazism was the most extreme example of this phenomenon, leading to the Holocaust.

Posted by: Hezbollah Hater at January 12, 2007 10:24 PM

Prediction HH, your posts will be deleted.

This isn't your blog and your preaching isn't even pretending to stay on topic.

You can build your own web site for almost nothing these days.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 12, 2007 10:32 PM

HL's rants are slightly more interesting only because we don't get to hear what Lebanese Hezbollah supporters think every day, and Hezbollah is the topic after all.

But your responses are not in any way unusual, and frankly they're too long.

At least in my opinion.

Of course only Michael's opinion counts.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 12, 2007 10:36 PM

I haven't commented on the content because I just don't have time to read all that content!

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 12, 2007 10:38 PM

Don't count on it Josh... LOL

Posted by: Hezbollah Hater at January 12, 2007 10:39 PM

Although if you DO manage to change HL's mind about anything, I'll applaud.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 12, 2007 10:39 PM

In fact that was why AlGhaliboon was banned. Not because he was a monster, but because he insisted on completely dominating every discussion.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 12, 2007 10:43 PM

Josh, I apologize and your point is taken. I guess clueless people like HL bring the worst out in me.

Posted by: Hezbollah Hater at January 12, 2007 10:51 PM

Cool.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at January 12, 2007 11:02 PM

Don't feel too bad, HH, you would see, if you went back in the archives, that all these points have been made long ago. Rest assured he does not care. He claims to be bright and may b moderately so; therefore it is not his reading comprehension; it is more in the spirit of cognitive dissonance.

Or just plain mendacity of course, I can never decide. I can't tell you how many times the Judenhass point alone has been raised.

Posted by: nichevo at January 13, 2007 02:06 AM

It isn't hard to find Arabs that have contributed to humanity. There are millions of Arabs throughout the world who are of consequence, inventors, musicians, artists, writers, business people, etc. Palestinians have produced presidence and ministers for some Latin American nations, Lebanese for others, Syrians for others.

One should not turn a political disucusion into a "my people did this" pissing contest. It also makes either side look like supremacists. Not that I'm calling anyone such...

Posted by: KNL at January 14, 2007 09:17 AM

"I want to say, we both agree on one thing, the arab world now lives a time of humiliation. I do not disagree with you on that in any way. They have come from being the most un-humiliated people, which was a very long time ago and im not going to go their, to becoming the most humiliated people, which is now."

I suppose when you talk about being un-humiliated you are refering to the time that the Arabs had conquered and occupied other peoples land and oppressed them. So, it's okay when Arabs or Muslims conquer, oppress, and occupy, but the reverse is a crime against humanity and a great "humiliation."

Justin

Posted by: Justin at January 16, 2007 01:02 PM

Well I think u were a little bias in your journal, coz for te mosque in maroun alras, it's only one that wasn't hit while hundreds of others are ruins, as for what Said said about der mimas and Hizbullah's desire to ruin Christian villages instead of muslim ones isn't true for u can check what are the most destroyed villages, u only visited der mimas and 3en 2ebel and howcome photos don't show ruins in these villages???
Another issue is that if u think Israelis are peaceful people who only want 2 live in peace, why don't they free lebanese prisoners, and howcome the Israeli air forces trespass the lebanese borders???I hope u answer me back u've got the mail

Posted by: Lebanese at April 20, 2007 12:46 PM

it's a victory not just a word we say it. to all lebanes people feel the inverse its shame on you to be lebanes citezen go to israil & hold their id if you love them to much. to israel: think again befor any step against lebanon, this time we are going to your countries not your failur army????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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