December 28, 2006

Meanwhile...

It’s the holidays, and blogging is slow. I have a longish piece coming up about Michel Aoun and Hezbollah’s Christian allies, but it isn’t quite ready yet.

In the meantime, don’t take the comments section too seriously. I have a bit of a troll infestation, a gift from the self-described Angry Arab who attacks me in part because of my race. A link from his site is a comments section destroyer.

Please don’t get the wrong idea. The axe-grinding reactionaries in the comments do not even remotely represent the people of Lebanon. They represent the readers of Angry Arab. (The name says it all.)

I don’t think the professor (yes, he’s a professor) realizes what a spectacularly bad job he’s doing of public relations for his country. I should not have to clean up his mess on behalf of his countrymen, but here I am doing it. You will really have to excuse his fans. Please. Lebanon is far kinder, more tolerant, and more intelligent than they are. I am sorry for having to say this.

I rather doubt that when I post interviews with Lebanese who were used as human shields in July, and with an Iranian-educated Shia cleric from the dahiyeh who staunchly opposes Hezbollah that he'll feel like linking me anymore.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at December 28, 2006 07:37 PM
Comments

I'm sure many Lebanese are nice people but don't you think some just tell you precisely what they think you want to hear similar to how Hezbollah talks to the media? They know how to play to a particular audience, they're not stupid.

Posted by: Corinne at December 28, 2006 08:15 PM

Angry Arab is a community of little boys of very limited intelligence.

What is the intellectual challenge? Why bother?

On the dark side there are scumbags like George Galloway who are worthy of attack because of their position and audience. He has something worth attacking i.e. how a greedy and obviously corrupt opportunist has captured the world of useful idiots. Moreover, he has attracted a brilliant adversary like Christopher Hitchens who will never let him get away with any of his obvious shit, can cut him to shreds at wil, and exposes him for what he really is.

Why not go after someone like Georgie the Baathist, or Robert Fisk, or the Grand Wazoo himself, Noam Chomsky, rather than waste your energy with such obvious losers?

Posted by: ankhfkhonsu at December 28, 2006 08:21 PM

Everytime you post a article that has anything to do with Hezbollah you get a flood of jack-ass apologists. It reminds me of the Manamana song with angry muslims and their western enablers instead of puppets.

Angry arab readers in the states, why are you people even here? I read the site and I read your comments and I think it would be best for everyone if you moved somewhere else. I really enjoy watching you try to shift the constant failure of that region to people other than the people who are actually fucking up (I'm not giving a pass to Israel or the U.S., but if they didn't exist it would still be a sewer) but it is time to go home. Move back or immigrate you don't deserve to live here.

Posted by: mike at December 28, 2006 08:28 PM

Corinne: I'm sure many Lebanese are nice people but don't you think some just tell you precisely what they think you want to hear similar to how Hezbollah talks to the media?

No.

Well, occasionally, but not very often. I can tell when people do this to me. It's not that hard to figure out. I'm not stupid.

If Lebanon loved Hezbollah, this crisis wouldn't be happening.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at December 28, 2006 09:02 PM

I rather doubt that when I post interviews with Lebanese who were used as human shields in July, and with an Iranian-educated Shia cleric from the dahiyeh who staunchly opposes Hezbollah that he'll feel like linking me anymore.

Are you saying this because you think he supports Hezbollah? If so, he doesn't, he's opposed to them as well.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at December 28, 2006 09:44 PM

DPU,

He won't link to any Lebanese criticism of Hezbollah peddled by a "white man" like me. I'd love to be wrong, but I know that I'm not.

Whether he supports Hezbollah or not, his readers certainly do. And they would never tolerate him approvingly linking to anything I write.

Not that I care. I just wanted to point out on the main page that his commenters are unrepresentative. It gets old after a while trying to convince Westerners that Lebanon isn't Gaza, and he isn't helping. He does his country a terrible disservice.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at December 28, 2006 10:18 PM

The comment thread on your previous post seems to have degenerated into name-calling and logical fallacies.

It might be a good idea to turn the comments off until the trolls get bored and go away.

Hm. Depending on how many techies you know, it might be worth asking what they would want in return for a script that would redirect visitors based on their referrer tag...

Posted by: rosignol at December 28, 2006 10:26 PM

Which university made the mistake of hiring As'ad?

Posted by: Josh Scholar at December 28, 2006 11:32 PM

Oh never mind, I regret asking.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at December 28, 2006 11:33 PM

After perusing the Angry Arab blog and then reading the attacks against MJT, I think the blog should be renamed "ranting, raving, stormy; bristling, burning, cross, huffy, livid, seething, smoldering, worked up, wrought (up); acrid, acrimonious, antagonistic, antipathetic, bitter, embittered, inimical, malevolent, piqued, rancorous, resentful, spiteful, vindictive, virulent; antisocial, cold, cool, disagreeable, disapproving, distant, frigid, icy, ill-tempered, sulky, unfriendly, unpleasant; aggravated, annoyed, bearish, bilious, cantankerous, choleric, churlish, crabby, cranky, dyspeptic, exasperated, fretful, fussy, grouchy, grumpy, ill-humored, irascible, irritable, peevish, perturbed, petulant, put out, quick-tempered, snappish, testy, touchy; argumentative, belligerent, contentious, contrary, disputatious, ornery, pugnacious, quarrelsome, querulous Arab blog.

Then again, Angry Arab isn't such a mouthful.

Posted by: Zak at December 28, 2006 11:59 PM

Bunch of idiots over there.
I hate that people like that end up being the "vocal minority" (and yes, they ARE a minority) that everyone gets to hear and draw conclusions based on.

For every idiotic blog like Angry Arab, there are countless educated, smart and well written blogs from various Lebanese (many of which are linked to on MJT's main page). Don't let these smallminded morons succeed in making you believe everyone thinks that way.

Posted by: Bad Vilbel at December 29, 2006 12:33 AM

Michael, the angry arab is professor abu khalil a shiite from southern lebanon who teaches in the political science department at California state university, stanislaus located in turlock california. He has anti-israel pictures and propaganda posted in his office windows ON CAMPUS where everyone who walks by can see them. I will send you a picture tomorrow to prove it. Everyone hates him but he is a tenured professor so students keep quiet in order to get a passing grade. He fits the profile of a hezbollah sleeper agent.

Posted by: james just at December 29, 2006 12:53 AM

Why would anyone allow the so-called opinions of 4 arab american teenagers, and a single adult enabler, to influence their own perception of the "nation" of Lebanon. The Lebanese do a very good job on their own.

(Although why should anyone listen to a single "Zionist" like me? At least I'm not white!)

Posted by: Israeli at December 29, 2006 12:58 AM

On race I always thought the Arabs were caucasians, and that (not that it matters), Lebanese look much like Mediterranean Europeans. On culture the guy lives in the US, and is I assume a US citizen.

On both those counts, doesn't that mean his posts are as much those of "the white man"?!

Posted by: Dirk at December 29, 2006 12:59 AM

Israeli, stop controling my government and brainwashing me.

Posted by: mike at December 29, 2006 01:07 AM

asad abu khalil the angry arab is whiter than Mr Michael Totten

Posted by: james just at December 29, 2006 01:17 AM

Israeli, stop controling my government and brainwashing me.

Right on Mke! And while you are at it, Israeli, why don't you finally come clean about how Mossad staged the moon landings and is behind Global warming!

Posted by: Dirk at December 29, 2006 01:34 AM

Asad Abu Khalil's e-mail at CSU Stanislaus political science department is aabukhalil@csustan.edu in case anybody wants to ask him about his angry arab politics. keep up the good work Mr Totten.

Posted by: james just at December 29, 2006 01:40 AM

MJT,

Great blog you have here; as factual as can be.

This "Angry Arab" is typical of the "black arabism" crowd described by prof. Chibli Mallat of Universite Saint Jospeh. While you're in Lebanon, it might be a good idea to meet him / interview him; he is one of the few people in Lebanon one can actually liten to without loosing a few neurons.

I think prof. Mallat is on to something when he describes this pehnomena of "Black Arabism", to which the Baath, Hezb... belong and to. To some extent the PSNS does as well, but it is a "Syrian" party, not a strictly "Arab" one, in that believes in a "Syrian race".

While many may disagree with Mallat that the Iraqi "earthquake" was the end of Arab nationalism, it did show the limits of "black Arabism", a "characteristically fascist" system "epitomized by the Baath systems in Iraq and Syria", and to some extent by thier "lighter" versions in Egypt, Yemen, and Tunisia. People like Assad AbouKhalil, the "Angry Arab", appears close to this camp, and finds much justification in Israel's appaling behaviour to justify "his side's" behaviour and view of the world.

To them, Hama never happened.

On the other hand, events such as the "Cedar Revolution" show the promise of "white Arabism", as "a liberal call that unifies people irrespective of their religion or sect". But this promise has limits, and its narrow window of opporutinity is closing fast as new religiously-inspired fascisms are appearing.

No matter how nasty Hezb is, there is worse... And the irony is that, when push comes to shove, people like the "Angry Arab" are the first to go, expedited to the heafter by their own "nationalist" allies.

La revolution devore toujours ses enfants.

Posted by: Jeha at December 29, 2006 01:51 AM

Angry Arab is also a professor at Berkeley.

Posted by: emu at December 29, 2006 02:07 AM

Angry Arab is also a professor at Berkeley.

Posted by: emu at December 29, 2006 02:08 AM

Surely we can complain to someone at CSU for allowing a racist professior to get tenured. Here is a contact address I found on their website: publicaffairs@calstate.edu. I took a screen shot in case he erases the comment.

Posted by: Corinne at December 29, 2006 02:08 AM

Still the number one racist Professor at Cal State:

http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/

wiki his writing on Jews if you have a strong stomach.

Posted by: Israeli at December 29, 2006 02:50 AM

Wow, the Kevin MacDonald stuff is florid.

He even testified for David Irving's defense.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at December 29, 2006 03:23 AM

Happy Holidays, Michael. Thank you for a year of absolutely wonderful and enlightening work. I'll certainly be hitting your tip jar again, once my wallet recovers from its annual Christmas beatdown.

And, don't let the internet get you down too bad. We understand the drill.

Posted by: Nate at December 29, 2006 05:00 AM

Sir,
I'm just dying to hear about the "human shields". I presume the million plus who turned to the post-war rally in August were just so damn bitter about being used as human shields that they got up and started cheering for the very group that used them as such. Brilliant! Or maybe you're referring to the christians of the south such as the generous and hospitable citizens of Marjayoun, who, after hosting the Israeli invaders in the local barracks were handily fired upon by fighter jets resulting in the decapitation of the mayor's wife. Are these the human shields "used" by Hizballah?
As for the anti-Shia cleric...again why the hell don't you interview a leading member of Hizballah or even better in my humble opinion, Sayyid Muhammad Husayn Fadlallah, the single most widely respected Shia religious leader in Lebanon. He is against Hizballah's political agenda but absolutely supports them on all other accounts. If you're going to hire that ridiculous Shia mufti of Tyre as your token anti-Hizballah cleric, spare us all your ignorance and do some homework into the bastard's background. He's anti-Hizballah because he was ousted by them over a decade ago and he's since been a bitter loser on the Lebanese scene. Or if you're going to interview Tufayli, think again, again! He's the most fundamentalist of all Shia clerics advocating a Trotskyite permanent war against Israel. And if you're going to pull out any other Shia clerics, I'm afraid they're all irrelevant despite your naive hopes to the contrary. So, please next time you try to take on a seasoned Lebanese political scientist such as Abukhalil, I recommend brushing up on your history b/c you're conspicuously vacuous on that account.
And please, don't bother "protecting" Lebanon from Israeli invasions. We don't need your help. And to those who believe Arabs are caucasians, you need a fucking biology lesson. In fact, there is a distinct Arab DNA, and lo and behold it's actually been found that the Jews and the Arabs predominantly share the same genetic code, and a genetic code that is NOT caucasian I fear (do some googling to find the range of studies out there). WOW! Who would have thought...

Posted by: sami at December 29, 2006 07:07 AM

Is there a shortage of oxygen in Southern Lebanon?

Why is it that so many of the Hezbollah supporters posting here seem incapable of taking a breath, and pausing for just one split second?

Does their rage prevent them from hitting 'return' and starting a new paragraph?

Posted by: Mertel at December 29, 2006 07:18 AM

Eh, probably just pissed that Jews are cutting into the radical Islam beheading industry. Because if anyone should be beheading infidels, you know, it should be radical Muslims. Not rank amateurs.

I'm sure that, somewhere, Zarqawi is rolling in his unmarked grave.

Posted by: Nate at December 29, 2006 07:26 AM

While I admire your courage in treading in the "dark places" of the word, and reporting to us about it, I think you are suffering from a mild case of Lawrence of Arabia syndrome. You are so enamoured of the exotic Orient that you are blind to the fact that Lebanese Muslims (both in Lebanon and the diaspora) increasingly, and overwhelmingly, are supporters of Hizbullah.

Posted by: ibn Abu at December 29, 2006 07:49 AM

While I admire your courage in treading in the "dark places" of the world, and reporting to us about it, I think you are suffering from a mild case of Lawrence of Arabia syndrome. You are so enamoured of the exotic Orient that you are blind to the fact that Lebanese Muslims (both in Lebanon and the diaspora) increasingly, and overwhelmingly, are supporters of Hizbullah.

Posted by: ibn Abu at December 29, 2006 07:49 AM

ibn Abu, you haven't the slightest idea what in the hell you're talking about.

Hezbollah is supported by 70 percent of the Shia, 0 percent of the Druze, and at most 1 percent of the Sunni.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at December 29, 2006 07:53 AM

There is a difference between Hizb-Iran supporters and the opposition coalition supporters!

You are right that Hizb-Iran members are ONLY Shia. The opposition coalition consists of: 90% of Shia, 5% of Sunni, 10% of Christians, 5% of Druze. When you add them up, they are about 30% of Lebanon!

Posted by: ghassan khaled at December 29, 2006 08:24 AM

I just visited Mr. Angry Arab's site. It does present the view from the other side.

Once commenter favorably links to this piece gloriying racist/genocidaire/Anfal campaign leader Saddam Hussein.

Another commenters says "That was beautiful I am 100% convinced of Saddam Hussein's integrity and always was"

If they don't like your like your site. I'd count that as an unqualified endorsement.

I am looking forward to the anlysis of Hezbollah's Christian allies. This wildly cynical alliance between two groups who disagree on nearly every ideological issue is a demonstration of how far some groups are willing to go to gain political power.

It could shed some light on the Western Left's similarly cyinical attitudes towards terrorist groups like Hezbollah. They hate these groups and what they do, BUT.....

Posted by: mary at December 29, 2006 08:29 AM

Uh huh, I guess I'll just take your word for it.

Posted by: ibn Abu at December 29, 2006 09:04 AM

Mary,

The "Angry Arab" hides the real issues; there is a dichotomy in the Arab world, in that the public debate is different from teh private debate. The public debate uses "Western-sounding" concepts, but the private motivations are actually basically "ethnic".

This has never been a war among ideologies within a monolythic Arab world. Rather, it is a war within a divided mosaic of ethnic groups. We Arabs are a diverse bunch ethnically;

- genetically for example, circassians in jordan have more in common with Germans than Syrians, and many in Lebanon and coastal Syria have more in common with Portugal or Malta than Iraq. The root for "Arab" means "unsettled" or "nomad".

- culturally, as those groups evolved, they have taken up different religions, and within those, different confessions, some of which did well for export (christianity and Islam).

Many justify this alliance by considering that this is a war within "Greater Syria", a region where Shiites, Christians, and Alawites are a minority. Christians and Shiites briefly considered such an alliance during the time of Bashir Gemayel; indeed, Christians briefly supported the Shiites during the "war of camps"...

Few will admit such raw "ethnic" goals to a "foreigner", and the "Angry Arab" is no exception. Tenets of his ideology NEED Israel as a focus for their hate; it helps hide the real faults within our own Arab psyche. In the same manner, I suspect that Aoun's supporters will come up with some "Western-sounding" logic to "envelop" the real motive.

And I can't wait to read it.

Posted by: Jeha at December 29, 2006 09:16 AM

abn Abu,

You should. Either you believe me or you believe the terrorist propagandists. You decide who has more credibility and who is more likely to lie.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at December 29, 2006 09:25 AM

This has never been a war among ideologies within a monolythic Arab world. Rather, it is a war within a divided mosaic of ethnic groups.

Yes, which is why only the Shia (and not all of them) support Hezbollah. The Aounists have formed a mere tactical alliance with them, and even that is shaky as hell. All the Aounists want Hezbollah disarmed.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at December 29, 2006 09:28 AM

All the Aounists want Hezbollah disarmed.

Immediately? Or after political reform?

Oh, wait, that's probably in an upcoming post.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at December 29, 2006 09:34 AM

Israeli: (Although why should anyone listen to a single "Zionist" like me? At least I'm not white!)

All Jews are white, because Israel is a European colony in the brown Arab Middle East. It doesn't matter if the said Israeli Jews are Sephardic, descended from Yemenite, Egyptian, Syrian, Persian, Moroccan, Iraq Jews, etc-- Israeli Jews are white because otherwise the white European colonizing and oppressing the brown indigenous people paradigm falls apart.

Therefore, ignore what you see and know-- Jews are all white.

European Jews, many of whom were killed by the Nazis partially because they didn't look white, or Aryan, enough, are also white and not even Semites, since they are imposters descended from Turkic Khazars. Then again, the Holocaust didn't really happen...

Posted by: Zak at December 29, 2006 09:56 AM

You are either with Bush or with the Terrorists.....

You are either with Totten or with the Terrorists.....

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Get some formal education about the region and learn some Arabic whitey.....

Posted by: Abu Ammar at December 29, 2006 10:14 AM

And don't forget the Palestinians whose great-grandparents migrated from Egypt, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, etc are indigenous Palestinians... because otherwise the white European colonizing and oppressing the brown indigenous people paradigm falls even further apart.

Posted by: Mertel at December 29, 2006 10:16 AM

Right, Mertel.

And also, Jesus was a Palestinian.

And even though every believing Christian believes Jesus visited the Beit HaMikdash (the Jewish temple destroyed by the Romans that now makes up the foundation of the Temple Mount), the truth is the Temple never stood in Jerusalem at all, and therefore every Christian in the world is wrong.

Nevertheless, for some reason Muhammad flew on a winged horse to the spot where no Jewish temple ever stood and tied up his horse near the Western Wall, which the stupid Jews seem to think is the last remaining wall of the ancient Jewish temple.

Even though any Muslim will tell you that Islam is the logical continuation of Judaism and Christianity, in the case of Muhammad and his flying horse, the Prophet simply flew to a random site in Jerusalem with no historic or religous significance whatsoever.

Oy, my head hurts trying to follow Arafat and friends' version of history...

Posted by: Zak at December 29, 2006 10:30 AM

"If Lebanon loved Hezbollah, this crisis wouldn't be happening.--Posted by Michael J. Totten"

What you are having trouble comprehending is that Hezbollah IS Lebanon.

Posted by: Wow at December 29, 2006 10:49 AM

Wow,

Are you a Hezbollah propagandist, a left-wing Third World fetishist, or a right-wing bigoted asshole? I swear to God sometimes I can't tell the difference between the three of you.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at December 29, 2006 10:58 AM

The use of the term "whitey" by the Arab 'bro' is rather ironic given the historical role of his progenitors in the massive eastern slave trade that went on for centuries ( and actually still exists in some of the untouched muslim heartlands) and given the present genocide against black Africans by Arabs in the Sudan.

Right On Abu Asshole

Posted by: ankhfkhonsu at December 29, 2006 11:03 AM

...and given the present genocide against black Africans by Arabs in the Sudan.

The current conflict Sudan is between an Islamist black arab government and an even more Islamist black arab resistance. The black African non-arab guerrilla group has joined with government forces against the rebels.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at December 29, 2006 11:20 AM

At least the Angry Arab Trolls are Sea Gull Trolls: They swoop in, make a lot of noise, shit all over the place, then leave.
Somebody should invent a spray for these infestations.

They do their countrymen a great disservice.

L

Posted by: lindsey at December 29, 2006 11:51 AM

Is this "angry arab" lebanese? and if so is he well versed in the history of lebanon?

Also, is it true that you don't speak Arabic, Mr. Totten?

Posted by: NM at December 29, 2006 11:56 AM

NM, go read the comments under the previous post. Mr. Totten's language skills and their implications are discussed at some length.

Posted by: Joe G. at December 29, 2006 12:35 PM

Heh, that could be a two-way road Mchael.

Posted by: TallDave at December 29, 2006 01:17 PM

hey fuckos,
angry arab is the foremost contemporary historian of lebanon today. just b/c you don't agree w/ his politics doesn't mean you can write him off. if you want to know anything and i mean anything about lebanon in the last 50 years, angry arab is hands down the single best source. to deny this objective fact would be inviting no uncertain death at the alter of truth...

Posted by: sami at December 29, 2006 01:20 PM

"Alter of truth"? Why would I trust someone so angry that he alters the truth?

Posted by: Joe G. at December 29, 2006 01:44 PM

NM,

Angry Arab is Lebanese, and wrote some books on Lebanese history. He really provides a great insight on current and past Lebanese politics. (especially for the last decades.)
And Mr. Totten said before that his knowledge of Arabic language is minimal.

Posted by: AR at December 29, 2006 02:39 PM

Get some formal education about the region and learn some Arabic whitey.....

Juan Cole and bin Laden speak Arabic fairly well. Still, I tend not to trust their opinions. For one thing, neither will tell me the truth about how Arabs teach Arabic to enslaved African children:

On Arab slaveholding in the Sudan:

In its reports Children of Sudan: Slaves, Street Children and Child Soldiers (1995) and Behind the Red Line (1996) as well as in its forthcoming report Famine in Sudan, 1998: the Human Rights Causes, Human Rights Watch describes the practice of slavery and provides testimonies of its victims. The abducted children and women often lead lives of extreme deprivation and cruelty at the hands of their masters. Many are physically and sexually abused, and forced to live at a standard well below that of their captors (sleeping on the floor, minimum food, no chance for education). Beatings for "disobedience" are common. They are denied their ethnic heritage, language, religion, and identity as they are cut off from their families and are held by Arabic-speaking captors, most of whom rename the abductees with Arabic names and some of whom coerce the children and women into adopting Islam. Those who force these changes on their captives often are convinced that they are doing a favor for the captives; they regard the Dinka culture as inferior and believe that the abductees are fortunate to have been incorporated into a superior culture. This notion of beneficial side effects to the practice of war booty or slavery is a self-serving sop to the conscience of those who engage in abductions or reap the benefits of this practice, particularly where the incorporating family is childless and treats the children kindly -- a rare event in any case. It also makes it imperative for the government to engage in an educational campaign of toleration for diversity.

More on Arab slaveholding in the Sudan

Even victims like Bok are seldom aware of the history. During 10 long years of enslavement by Giemma Abdullah in Kerio, Francis Bok had no idea why he was victimized. He learned soon enough that the Arabic word abeed carried three meanings—“slave,” “black” and “filth.” Half his lifetime among Muslims taught him that they considered themselves better than Southern Sudanese infidels. But this hardly informed him of the history of the jihad institution to which his 20th century captors and masters subjected him. He could not recognize himself as an inferior, non-Muslim dhimmi.

Bok was beaten, forced to tend and sleep with animals, fed rotting meat, and cursed as a jedut—maggot—even after his master pressed a Muslim name and prayers upon him. Abdul Rahman ironically means “servant of the compassionate one.” But there was not one second of compassion during Bok’s 10 years of captivity, although he was one of the lucky ones. He many times tried to escape, and failed. His penalties were mere beatings. Other Dinka escapees routinely lost their limbs when recaptured. Giemma Abdullah threatened the same; Bok didn’t believe him, until he saw other Dinkas, limbless. Finally, at 17, Francis Bok took the cows one morning, and from the road near their grazing area ran all the way to Mutari. After further privations and imprisonments, Bok finally hid in a truck en route to ed-Da’ein, fled to Khartoum, to Cairo, and as a refugee, in 1999, to the U.S. He landed in the U.S. poor, illiterate, and 20.

These grotesque privations sound highly unusual, perhaps even unique. In reality, however, Bok’s experience precisely tracked that of oppressed non-Muslim peoples throughout 13 centuries of Islamic history, according to pre-eminent Islamic scholar Bat Ye’or. Non-Muslim peoples like the Dinka, conquered by Islamic jihad, were soon rendered inferior, subjected to slavery, mass deportations, and forced conversions like those suffered by two million Dinka around Nyamlell and throughout Southern Sudan.

Speaking of slaveholders, genocidaires and other slime you "Angry Arab" folks admire, your hero is dead.

Posted by: mary at December 29, 2006 08:41 PM

Speaking of slaveholders, genocidaires and other slime you "Angry Arab" folks admire, your hero is dead.

If you knew anything about the Angry Arab at all, you'd know that Hussein was anything but a hero for him. So are you making that particular accusation out of ignorance, or are you just being libelous?

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at December 29, 2006 10:23 PM

Sounds like you have a real journalistic odyssey lined up for us. Looking forward to your inevitable expedition up Walid Jumblatt's butt as well ...

Posted by: Kizilbash at December 29, 2006 10:38 PM

If you knew anything about the Angry Arab at all, you'd know that Hussein was anything but a hero for him.

As you can clearly see by re-reading my comment, I was referring to the "Angry Arab foks" who are fans of Saddams, the folks who are currently trolling this site, who also appear to be like the folks who are quoted in this in this "Angry Arab" comment string:

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Those of us sitting on our asses far away from the combat zones should defer to this lady who is living in a living hell created by the US and its masters:

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m2937...&hd=&size=1&l=e
US taxpayer | 12.29.06 - 9:52 am | #'

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December 29, 2006

Dear friends,

I want to dedicate the piece below written by Layla Anwar, an Iraqi woman, to the grotesque Western antiwar movement and its influential intellectuals, whose shameful silence on the lynching of Saddam Hussein will be remembered as one of the most disgraceful pages of infamy's history.

Gabriele Zamparini
US taxpayer | 12.29.06 - 9:55 am | #

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US taxpayer

Yes very true

Layla

That was beautiful I am 100% convinced of Saddam Hussein's integrity and always was
Janice | Homepage | 12.29.06 - 9:56 am | #

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As far as Angry Arab goes, I find it hard to interpret his discussion about Saddam due to the complete lack of punctuation and paragraphs in his recent post.

So are you making that particular accusation out of ignorance, or are you just being libelous?

You're not a lawyer and you're not successfully playing one on the internets. Stop, it's annoying.

So, about the actual content of my post - what is your opinon about how the Arabs teach Arabic to little African children? What do you think about Arab enslavement of children in the Sudan and Mauritania?

Or are you more incensed by my apparent insult to the unpunctuated academic, Angry Arab?

What's your opinion of the kind of cynicism that prompts people to downplay and ignore the most vile crimes against humanity in order to gain some whifty promise of political power?

Posted by: mary at December 30, 2006 06:52 AM

I'm actually just kind of stunned that you're able to throw a vile insult like that so blithely, and then simply try shrug it off and change the subject to something completely unrelated.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at December 30, 2006 09:30 AM

Eh, maybe I'm not. Whatever, carry on.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at December 30, 2006 10:08 AM

MJT,

The only reason many people who are fed up with the middle east like me continue to try and "give a shit", are because of people like you. Thank you and keep up the good work.

To the trolls,
Fuck off. Go find a cozy blog that you agree with and have fun. Juan's comes to mind for a pro-HB place to party. MJT is trying his best to make some Americans care about your part of the world (which is quite difficult for many of us).

Posted by: George at December 30, 2006 10:43 PM

Totten said:

You should. Either you believe me or you believe the terrorist propagandists. You decide who has more credibility and who is more likely to lie

This, in a nutshell, sums up your very nuanced understanding of the world. Did you come up with that on your own?

Posted by: Ralph at December 31, 2006 04:40 AM

Ralph,

Hezbollah says they represent Lebanon. No one else thinks that. If you don't believe me, just read a Lebanese newspaper sometime. Specifically, read a Sunni newspaper. You don't have to take my word for it.

If you or anyone else actually beleives the Sunnis of Lebanon support an Iranian-funded Shia army, you don't understand the first thing about Lebanon or the Middle East. The Sunni support for Hezbollah is vanishingly close to zero.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at December 31, 2006 11:35 AM

"If Lebanon loved Hezbollah, this crisis wouldn't be happening"

Thats a very backward statement mr totten, but oh well someone has to correct you. My pleasure, thank me later :D

from this backward comment i can then say if the indians really did love ghandi, then the indian strike crisis against the british wouldn't have happned.

or if the people really did love chavez (which they do as proven in the last election) then the 2002 coup crisis wouldnt have happened.

if the people did realy love khomeini and him coming to power, then the crisis in which the REVOLOTION (hence the caps mean something, not coup, revolution, tells you something about what the majority of iranians ;)) took place wouldnt have happened.

and the best ones are always saved for last :D. if the lebanese loved to have a "cedar revolution", then the march 14th force wouldn't have made a 60 day crisis, and now are responsible for another, and were responsible for several others during the tiny one year of governing.

Posted by: hizbollah lover at December 31, 2006 09:43 PM

"I rather doubt that when I post interviews with Lebanese who were used as human shields in July, and with an Iranian-educated Shia cleric from the dahiyeh who staunchly opposes Hezbollah that he'll feel like linking me anymore."

WOOOW, sir totten, you found one shia person against hizbollah? you deserve a blue peter badge lol. ill tell you some more, theres another one from tyre/soor, and another called subhi tufeili..does that name ring a bell? YES, its the former and FIRST secretary general of hizbollah. can you guess how he lost that place? YES he was kicked out (elected out - every 6 years hizbollah have their own elections to elect their leaders and political representative in their political party, like any other democratic party in this world) by hizbollah. can you ask me why? because he was too much of a fndamentalist and TRIED to drag hizbollah into a civil war as soon as it was created (he used to claim that people who shave their beard were infidels, and that he was going to go to tyre to rescue it from AMAL, which was then the national resistance) this is my proof to you that hizbollah are not a bunch of fanatical maniacs as you picture them, but much MUCH different.

NOW to the interesting part. you are sitting their why would this person who was one of the FOUNDERS of hizbollah and its first leader be against the same resistance group that he led,,,and then got thrown out of for being a fundamental, even worse than the saudi king believe it or not. very rare froma shia lol. ANYWAY. the answer isss....drum rolls plz...because he thinks hizbollah is providing cover for israel hahahahahaha you want more you want more? he also thinks hizbollah is being easy on israel, he wants them to be in a state of war with them until everything is capeesh hahahahahaha wait wait theres more!! the opposition is now allied with him HAHAHAHAHA no no wait theres more, am serious! lol guess who also like him,,,no you wont guess it so dnt try, YES its no other than the western media looooool the NY Times and washington post both pronted out a meeting that was carried out with him titled FOUNDER OPPOSES HIZBOLLAH, go search it on their websites' archives, you'll find it. They are actually supporting the same type of man their country is having a war to uposedly try to get rid of in this world, the same man who wants hizbollah a ruthless war machine that never forgets or forgives, the man who wants a hizbollah central government withought a parliament because he will ban parties once hes in power and then force a shia governing system. it was this man who claimed this as being hizbollahs goal and this is the same reason he was kicked out, and also the same reason the stupid western press keep on reprinting. well if hizbollah wants a totalitarian regime in lebanon, they can occupy lebanon in a matter of days, force their control and force their ideology. everyone knows this can happen, but the biggest proof that they have truly scraped this is their participation in government! its so simple guys. anyways, this man subhi tufeili is the man that the western media talks/deals and is allied to, despite his ruthless political views, just for the sake of trying to make hizbollah look bad. but one thing they dont say is WHYYY he isn't the leader anymore. they don't dare to. they just want to point out that there are actually shias against hizbollah. pathetic right?!? whats more they call him a very well known, respectable and popular figure in eastern lebanon. If ANY figure is popular in that region its only sayyid hassan nasrallah, since eastern lebanon is the bekaa valley in which the biggest city, baalbeck lies. which are in effect one of the biggest HQ for hizbollah. this is the same place hizbollah was born in! and the same area where sayyid hassan nasrallah was militarily and politically in charge of after the foundation of the group and before he became its leader. i dunno man, i rest my case. i guess.

Posted by: hizbollah lover at December 31, 2006 09:59 PM

"Michael, the angry arab is professor abu khalil a shiite from southern lebanon who teaches in the political science department at California state university, stanislaus located in turlock california. He has anti-israel pictures and propaganda posted in his office windows ON CAMPUS where everyone who walks by can see them. I will send you a picture tomorrow to prove it. Everyone hates him but he is a tenured professor so students keep quiet in order to get a passing grade. He fits the profile of a hezbollah sleeper agent."

You see, liers never get their way around. you know, as they say, for every 1000 lies you say, only one is believed, this lie, or shall i say THESE LIES, arent any of the believed one.

1) his name IS as'ad abu khalil and is from southern lebanon, BUT he is a self proclaimed anarchist and athiest, not a shiite. his dad was a shiite and his mum was a sunni, but when he was 13, he lernt how to pray. as we all know sunnis and shia's pray differently. so one grandmother taught him how to pray, when he showed the other she got cross and told him it was rong. he felt let down not only by his own family member for what he had worked so hard for, but by his religion which caused him grief and not joy. SO, he then discovered marxism and read about it since then to become an athiest CAPEESSSH?

2) he does not have anti-israeli posters on his office. he does have them in his private office OUTSIDE the school, but not in the school. in his classes he never ever mentions his political beliefs. they are always secret. he just teaches facts, not oppinion. i know this because i am one of the students. i did not discover his true political views untill i ACCIDENTLY found his blog from a google search. i was really surprised that he even had political views, let alone them being as vibrant as this. In conclusion, what you said about him having anti-israeli signs in or out of his office door or room os un true. this man is the most preserved about his political views in class. he lets everyone think his own view up

3) i know my teacher and profesor and i dont think he is the type to terrorise or blackmail his students into submission, kapeech?

4) he is neither pro or anti anything really. he praises what is right (in his view) and what is wrong (again in his view). For example, he was WITH hizbollah for resisting in the war, but against them when they turned to the street to drop down the sanyura government on dec. 1, claiming they should have done it way earlier. another point he makes is that hizbollah claims that sanyurah is corrupt and an agent, but what he hates about the hizbollah leadership is that they still want him to lead the what is to become the new national unity government (oviously this is because they want the sunnis represented and more sunnis are with sanyurah than any other sunni leader)

PS TO TOTTEN: YOU found 1 shia person against hizbollah, ofcourse i was very generous and added another 2 or 3, but now YOU tell me how many SUNNI people are with hizbollah ;) lol i really do feel sorry for you now. but to make it easy for you, i dont want the sunni syrians, palis, khaleejis, saudis, iraqis, jordanians etc etc etc JUST lebanese sunnis. ok, i admit im being harsh thats still too hard. JUST the LEBANESE, SUNNI LEADERS/scholars. cummon thats easy...but difficult for you because if you tell the truth, you know its ALOT, but if you are going to lie, the truth is being aired on TV every single day showing hundreds of sunni scholars side by side with shia and christian ones in the open-ended sit-in. ESPECIALLY in that prayer that was conducted by them around 3 weeks ago. anyway up to you man.

Posted by: hizbollah lover at December 31, 2006 10:18 PM

"Right on Mike! And while you are at it, Israeli, why don't you finally come clean about how Mossad staged the moon landings and is behind Global warming!"

i dunno about the moon landings, but unfortunately global warming is MANKINDS made problem, not just one entity. BUT one thing i can explain and say to people who want hizbollah to disarm (these people claim that then israel wouldnt have any incentives, reason, excuse to attack lebanon once the threat has been eliminated ie hizbollahs military and weapons). Mossad WAS the reason israel bombed beirut airport i think in 1967 and dropped a commando regiment who then bombed 13 MEA airplanes...PASSANGER CIVILIAN ones (just in case your tryna guess).

ANND, that was not enough. israel briefly invaded lebanon, caused destruction and havvoc then obviously pulled out again. All this and it was claiming it was defending itself. NOW i do not see WHAT bombing a civilian airport, 13 of its planes and invading a country in supposedly self defence, do you know against what? because of the attempted murder by supposedly an armed PALISTINIAN of the israeli ambasador all the way in BRITAIN. can sum1 PLEASE explain how those two are linked? FIRST whats lebanon, its airports and planes got to do with the israeli in britain and SO WHAT, the person who did it was palistinian, whats he got to do with lebanese? AND whats a crime in britain got to do with the middle east ie lebanon?

NOW 30 years later and britain released the classified documents connected with the incident only to reveal to the public and the international community that it was actually the MOSSAD who were responsible for the attempt. Therefore lebanon was attacked for no reason AT ALL. and there was no resistance at the time, which is why the commandos did their job so easily and took their time to do it in broad daylight. they even felt a bit human and decided to check if any people were in the planes, contrary to their commands which was to blow them up no matter whos in them to make it look like its an technical fault which resulted in an accidental explosion. i mean COME ON. does an israeli DARE set foot in lebanon in broad day light for a mission like that when hizbollah is around? does a merkava DARE cross lebanon boarders now we have hizbollah? when the UN took some control of the south, even jeeps were whizzing in and out whenever they wanted all the while israel claimed it was planning to pull out.

Posted by: hizbollah lover at December 31, 2006 10:37 PM

sami put it beautifully mr totten, i swear when i wrrit my article i ddnt see his, i rit mines as soon as i saw tottens article, but compare the two and see the similarity!

and i think i know your shia anti hizbollah cleric from dahiyeh lol this is funny but ok i have to say this OK. es haj hassan hussains cuzin, haj hassan hussain is an ex-minister who resigned this couple of months ago. he used to be the electricity and water minister. this guy you are talking about is his cuzin lol and you know what haj hassan hussain said? hes a SELF PROCLAIMED sheikh. he put his turban on withought the aproval of any scholar what so ever. ye i know thats lame but what isn't is the fact that he was also an ex-convict/criminal/prisoner who was bailed out by hizbollah with their own money and did not charge the man a penny because he couldnt afford to pay himself out! so a prisoner criminal who proclaims himself a sheikh is being relied on as a source by totten?!? :O thats terrible man! its either the criminal or the die hard crazedfanatic fundamentalist tufeili. one of them man you choose your pick!

Posted by: hizbollah lover at December 31, 2006 10:45 PM

"Hezbollah is supported by 70 percent of the Shia, 0 percent of the Druze, and at most 1 percent of the Sunni." Proffesor totten

hahahahahahahahahaha HAHAHAHAHAAHA oh. wait. That wasn't a joke? Aaaah you have got to be kidding me! Are you serious? ok my apologies man.

1) wheres the christians gone? ;)

2) what about kuntar, his family and their political program + ruslan (the leader of the second biggest druze party). Have you forgetten them? Aren't they druze too? If you are relying on Jumblat let me tell you something mr totten. this man is the MOST uncertain man on earth. he has flipped political agendas around 100 times. You should read about what he used to say about the gemayel family back in 1976, you seriously do not want to hear it. on top of that he used to be one of the staunchest pro-syrian. on top of that the last Quds Day (before this years one ie 2005 quds day) he went on to the stage claiming that hizbollahs weapons are the weapons that will save lebanon. the most purest and holiest weapons and even claimed, PS while hizbollah was still trying to free shebaa farms, he claimed that these arms ie hizbollah arms, are the ones to return the QUDS one day. i mean, hizbollah is in enough strugle to protect lebanon and trying to free sheba, this man went all the way to the freedom of palistine. But guess what. after the elections, this man totally fliped. what used to be pure arms are now, as he claims, arms (which means weapons btw) of deception! WO WO what happened there. So, couple of months ago, 100% druze were with the resistance, few months later 0% have remained?

3) everyone, and i mean even the lebanese stray CAT will know that no less than 90% MINIMUM of shia are with hizbollah and AT LEAST 25-35% of sunnis. i mean one the BIGGEST muftis, sheikh yakan, is with us. this guy has more support from sunnis lebs than you think he does. AND did you not see the prayer and how many people had their arms crossed during prayer (sunnis do that, shias put their arms down)? and i believe you forgot all the biggest leaders of the sunnis ex-PM salim el-hoss ex-PM rashid el-solh, ex-PM Omar Karami and ex-PM najib mikati who were all sunnis, and in order to be a PM, you must be a sunni with big representation ;) All of these people and MANY MANY more leaders are with the resistance and the opposition.

4) i believe you missed out the christians. general aoun ALONE recieved 70% of the electorate votes during 2005 elections. Salmein franjiyyeh, whos mum and dad and sister were murdered by the LF who are led by samir gaegae, won 80,000 votes. this is a big number considering the christians total ABOUT a million people and considering how many christian political leaders there are today (christian, especially maronite christians which are the majority of christians, make up around 25% of the lebanese population which is no more than around 4million - probably less). 80,000 makes 12.5% of the christian population if they totalled 1 million. this means michelle awn with 70% and salmein franjiyyeieh with 12.5% would mean we, the opposition, has already guaranteed 82.5% of the christian population! thats through only TWO of the many christian political parties/leading figures with the opposition. you can argue as much as you want about how awn lost his population and all that crap but i dont think it would drop from 82.5 to, and im being VERY nice, to 50%. that in itself is 500,000 people with the opposition. i believe it is VERY worrying if only those 500,000 people were to turn against me if i were the PM of lebanon, taking into consideration that lebanon's ppopulation is 3.5-4 million strong! dont even MAKE me open up figured concerning the shia, let alone the rest of the sunnis and the few druze.

5) please go check poll figures. 73% are WITH a new national unity government, thats just under 3 million people if lebanons' population was 4million. lol common man surely thans not the 70% shia + 1% sunna + 0% druze + the non mentioned christians ur talking about! good ridance.

6) since everyone here knows im a very nice man, considering im 17 yrs old and should be the most hyped up, im going to take your figures and asumme they are the right ones. OK. Lets pretend the opposition is only shia. i am going to be very un faithful to the rest of the brothers and exclude their religions out of the picture. im going to take that 70% of shia figure, exclude the sunnis, christians and druze. oh. wait. I FORGOT THE COMMUNISTS HAHAHAHAHA THATS ANOTHER ONE TO UR LIST MAN. I FORGOT THAT THE COMMUNIST LEBANESE PARTY IS WITH US ALONG WITH ALL THE SUNNIS WHO FOLLOW IT, and the athiests PS I SAID SUNNI BY PROOF THAT WELL, THEYRE MOSTLY SUNNI LOL GO CHECK AND NEW TV IS OWNED BY A SUNNI MAN IN THE XOMMUNIST PARTIES LEADERSHIP. anyway sory i forgot them, but you know what, since its the new year i feel so extra nice im going to kck them out too. NOW. Shia make around 40% of lebanon. Ya habeebi lets say 35%. maaan whats rong wiv me why am i so nice, im gonna end up kiking out half those 70% shias lol. ok 35% of 4 million is how much? i think its 1.6million. Now, in my belief around that number is with hizbollah but i gotta stick to my rules and find 70& of 1.6million. that makes 1.12 million. NOW. you know what am gonna make that just one million am killing off 120,000 people from your own statistics mr totten, sry plz do forgive me. Now, reader, consider yourself the PM of tiny lebanon of 4million people. 25% of the nation turns to your backyard, all from the same sect, which total 1million human being. how would you feel? wouldnt you get that hitch that maybe SOMETHING is wrong? maybe if a million shia's, which happens to be the single biggest sect in lebanon, is now demonstrating against you. Wouldn't you feel that MAYBE, just mayb these people are not being representated in your government? wouldnt you at least TRY to so something about this? Now mr totten, take into account JUST the compromised over 50% of christians (which should be 82.5%) which makes 500,000 people (which should be 825,000). And then add the 1% sunnis and no druze and god knows communists, which as i said are minly sunnis and ALL the athiests in lebanon. COME ON. dont tell me that even on those ABSURD, FAKE AND INSULTING FIGURES, at least half the population is WITH the opposition and therefore with hizbollah? calculate all of MY figures and see for yourself that the poll of 73% od the lebanese who are with a new national unity government fits quite nicely with the results you achieve from the TRUE figures. if you insist on the poll, ill bring you it, jus post or email me

Posted by: hizbollah lover at December 31, 2006 11:34 PM

ghassan khaled
same goes to u, read the above article because clearly if you think that 90% shia , 5% of Sunni, 10% of Christians (i dunno what you was thinking here, go chek the election results and see how much michelle awn got, PLEASE UYOU NEED TO CUZ SUTTIN IS RONG) and 5% of Druze make up 30% of lebanon, then you seriously have some mathematical problems goin on when the shias make up 40% of lebanon alone.

Posted by: hizbollah lover at December 31, 2006 11:38 PM

"Yes, which is why only the Shia (and not all of them) support Hezbollah. The Aounists have formed a mere tactical alliance with them, and even that is shaky as hell. All the Aounists want Hezbollah disarmed." proffesor totten,,,again.

now COME-ON. you might as well chop my balls off. think about it totten. if their alliance was shaky, like it was with the march-14 and hizbollah pre-war (which you failed to mention once) then the alliance of awn+hizbollah would have broken up during/after the war (like it did between the march14+hizbollah with the exeption of awn, who is now part of the opposition, which against you failled to report the former). SECONDLY, every single christian who ever claim that they like hizbollah, are all awnists. though there are the franjieh people, but they would be less, they would be with the party but against the weapons (although franjieh himself is staunchly with both party and weapons) whereas u, my friend, would find that awnis are the staunchest of the christians who are with hizbollah and its weapons. AND i dont get why the whole political agenda and opinion of awn falls down to these two drinkin coffee and smoking a watepipe in downtown beirut who happen to be awni's. i bet if they were shia pro-hizbollah people and you interviewed them and the interview fucked up because they are with hizbollah and its weapons, you wouldn't be writing an article 2% the size the one you rit about the christian hizbollah alliance. and why dont you interview more than 2 awnis you saw in a cafe in downtown beirut, the fact that they are actually IN that cafe IN that area tells me they must b rich or wealthy people who ofcourse dnt want hizbollah weapons because its not good for their bussines, at least they think so!!

Posted by: hizbollah lover at December 31, 2006 11:52 PM

"Are you a Hezbollah propagandist, a left-wing Third World fetishist, or a right-wing bigoted asshole? I swear to God sometimes I can't tell the difference between the three of you."

whats this? why you swearing for? hypocryt! you tell others not to foul mouth and even block some for doing so and then you do it yourself! tutututu.

Posted by: hizbollah lover at December 31, 2006 11:58 PM

"Hezbollah says they represent Lebanon. No one else thinks that. If you don't believe me, just read a Lebanese newspaper sometime. Specifically, read a Sunni newspaper. You don't have to take my word for it.

If you or anyone else actually beleives the Sunnis of Lebanon support an Iranian-funded Shia army, you don't understand the first thing about Lebanon or the Middle East. The Sunni support for Hezbollah is vanishingly close to zero."

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TOTTEN???? im confused, seriously? WHY is sayyid hassan nasrallah and his hizbollah the main muslim icon in the middle east? and especially across the arab world. people EVERYWERE love him and the resistance. EGYPTIANS, they are sunnis, JORDANIANS, they are sunnis, syriaaaanssss, they are sunnis, IRAQIS, most shia's but alot of sunnis too, what else is there eve in saudi arabia, watch some of the lectures made by scholars and sheikhs in the khaleej concerning hizbollah, EVEN THOUGH it is illegal to show support for any other party in the UAE and saudi arabia! they improsined 4 guys to life for having hizbollah FLAGS in their flats, i mean come ONNN. OOHH AND I FORGOT THE PALISTINIANS WHO ARE 100% sunnis, they all LOVE this guy. THEY DIE FOR HIS SHOE. what the hell are you doing to urself and what are you blabing about man. please, FIRST I THOUGHT YOU might KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST OR AT LEAST lebanon BUT YOU DONT KNOW JACK FROM SHIT.

Posted by: hizbollah lover at January 1, 2007 12:10 AM

MJT, I think you underestimate The Angry Arab. By denouncing you, he immediately says to his students that anything you write or sympathize with is off-limits to them in their assignments, unless they use it to demean you - I think we can all guess by now that AA is in no way impartial when it comes to grading papers backed by facts and logic. Furthermore, he throws up a challenge to those news organizations who may consider employing you or your services: it's either him or me. I wouldn't put it past AA to challenge you to a TV debate, provided he thinks the moderator will favor him.

Posted by: Solomon2 at January 1, 2007 07:23 PM

Shukri al-Fabunmi, as I recall, once wrote about 50 years ago that the Egyptians like to think of themselves as Europeans, and if not that, as Caucasoid Africans. When the Arab nationalists admired the German Nazis, they liked to think of themselves as white folk, like their idols. Haj Amin el-Husseini, the British-appointed mufti of Jerusalem and the most significant Arab-Nazi collaborator, was reddish-haired and blue-eyed and was well received in Berlin during WW2.

Then, after WW2, in the Sixties, it became fashionable to be "non-white." So now, the Nazis' former allies and admirers parade their "non-whiteness." Actually, there is a broad range of skin colors among both Jews and Arabs [and other peoples in the Mediterranean area]. Armenians who live right there in the Caucasus and therefore ought to be Caucasians par excellence also show a range of skin colors. Furthermore, skin color is only one trait. Traditionally, Mediterranean peoples were considered Caucasian, albeit usually darker than Irish and Swedes, Germans and Poles and English, etc. Check out Bernard Lewis' book on Race and Slavery in Islam. Maybe it's time to stop using skin color as a political slogan or as an explanation for social values. Maybe we ought to see skin color as a red herring in the context of Middle Eastern political conflicts.

Posted by: Eliyahu at January 5, 2007 04:13 AM

I saw on ABC News during the war a man complaining about how bad a job America was doing rescuing him. He was the Mayor of BINT JBAIL, SOUTH LEBANON,and ABC showed a picture of his Michigan drivers license, an American Passport and said he lived in Dearborn, Mich.

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