November 27, 2006

Hizbullah and Communal Coexistence

By Abu Kais

With Hizbullah reportedly planning “surprise” protests this week to topple the Siniora government, many, including Shias, are not surprised by how far the foreign-funded militia is prepared to take the country, and the Shia community, in what seems to be a political jihad against the state.

Masking Hizbullah’s “surprise” measures is a concern over the Lebanese constitution, which God’s self-appointed warriors claim to defend.

Following the Syrian-motivated resignation of two Hizbullah ministers and 4 of their allies, the argument du jour of the so called “opposition” is that the cabinet, a.k.a. council of ministers, has become unconstitutional because it violates a sentence in the preamble of the constitution. The sentence is:

There is no constitutional legitimacy for any authority which contradicts the 'pact of communal coexistence

The argument is, of course, rubbish. The cabinet has the confidence of parliament (which includes Hizbullah members), and only parliament, not a militia, decides on the constitutionality of the country’s legitimate authority.

What Hizbullah is doing sets a dangerous precedent in the country: a pseudo-political sectarian entity allied with a foreign wannabe-power is manipulating the system and refusing to recognize the authority of the state if the latter does not succumb to extraterritorial demands.

Furthermore, there is nothing in the constitution that says a cabinet cannot continue to govern after the resignation of less than a third of its cabinet members. In fact, and upon becoming a deputy or minister, cabinet members are considered representatives of the entire nation and “no restriction or stipulation may be imposed upon [their] mandate by [their] electors,” let alone the party to which they belong. 

In any case, the constitution was clear on when a cabinet is considered without power, i.e. “resigned”:

(1) The Government is considered resigned in the following circumstances:
a. if the Prime Minister resigns;
b. if it loses more than a third of the members specified in the Decree forming it;
c. if the Prime Minister dies;
d. at the beginning of the term of the President of the Republic;
e. at the beginning of the term of the Chamber of Deputies;
f. when it loses the confidence of the Chamber of Deputies based on the Chamber's initiative or based on the Council's initiative to gain the Chamber's confidence.
(2) Ministers are to be dismissed by a Decree signed by the President and the Prime Minister in accordance with Article 65 of the constitution.
(3) When the Council resigns or is considered resigned, the Chamber of Deputies is automatically considered in extraordinary session until a new Council has been formed and has gained the Chamber's confidence.

Hizbullah’s insistence that the cabinet has no authority is by itself an act of rebellion against the state. They have the right to argue for unconstitutionality-- but as long as this cabinet is around, they are forced to recognize its authority because it has not resigned. Promised acts of “civil disobedience” amount to treason, especially when the country is on the verge of economic collapse because of a devastating war started by none other than Hizbullah.

Ironically, Hizbullah continues to support the Syrian-imposed president, Emile Lahoud, whose term was extended under Syrian pressure by a reluctant pro-Syrian parliament. Lahoud could be an accomplice to the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri in 2005, and was the head of the Lebanese-Syrian security regime, remnants of which continue to terrorize the country.

One should keep in mind that Hizbullah has never recognized the authority of the Lebanese government. Its ideology is such that even Hizbullah MPs and ministers do not feel obliged to answer to the prime minister, the president or any official body in the country. After all, they have their own civilian infrastructure, which although fills a gap in some areas, indoctrinates Lebanese citizens with foreign ideologies and uses them as shields in political and military “struggles”, a.k.a. jihad.

Finally, here are other excerpts from the preamble of the constitution that Hizbullah likes so much today, but doesn’t bother to read in its entirety.

a. Lebanon is a sovereign, free, and independent country. (Hizbullah enjoys Syrian and Iranian hegemony, as well as financial and military support)
b. Lebanon is … a founding and active member of the United Nations Organization and abides by its covenants and by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Government shall embody these principles in all fields and areas without exception. (UNSC resolution 1701 requires Hizbullah to disarm)
d. The people are the source of authority and sovereignty; they shall exercise these powers through the constitutional institutions. (Not militias)
e. The political system is established on the principle of separation, balance, and cooperation amongst the various branches of Government. (Hizbullah should learn to “oppose” through the institutions and not using and abusing the institutions.)

And yes, this one:

j. There is no constitutional legitimacy for any authority which contradicts the 'pact of communal coexistence'.

It is not clear how Hizbullah, by hijacking an entire community and pitting it against the state's legitimate authority, is really working to safeguard communal coexistence. 

Posted by Abu Kais at November 27, 2006 11:33 AM

Nothing new here, unfortunately.

I'd have to argue about your "Sets a precedent" comment. This is not nearly the first time a Lebanese group has refused to recognized the state or its institutions. As a matter of fact, Lebanon's history, from past, to this very day, is littered with complete disregard for all state institutions (including the government, the parliament, the Army and every other state institution one could think of).

So it comes as no surprise whatsoever that Hizballah is the latest to simply decide, on their own, what is and isn't constitutional. The problem here, besides the immediate concerns, is the overall mentality in Lebanese politics, and unfortunately, among the Lebanese populace. As long as people at large continue to think it's ok for a group or political party to defy the state (or ignore it, as the case may be), we're not gonna be making any kind of progress towards Democracy. It's that simple.

Raja (of Lebanese Bloggers) made a post recently about Democracy starting with a strong state, capable of enforcing the rule of law (by use of force if necessary). Not only do I agree with that, but I'd add that no Democracy is possible as long as the people as a whole do not believe and respect the notion of a state. And sadly, no matter what they claim, the large majority of Lebanese do not believe in their state. Period.

Posted by: bad vilbel at November 27, 2006 12:32 PM

If the majority of Lebanese do not believe in their state, as you say, what do they believe in? Just their confessional groups?

Posted by: Zak at November 27, 2006 02:12 PM

"He who has the guns makes the rules."

Hizbullah has the guns and now they will change the rules.

Weren't the French supposed to disarm them as part of UN 1701?

Posted by: Reid of America at November 27, 2006 02:38 PM

I'm getting a little tired of hearing Lebanese whine about their country. If you won't fight you'll be slaves- that's it.

Frankly I think you're fit to be nothing but slaves and none of the rest of the world cares about your problems. So either slaughter the Hizb'allah, flee Lebanon or shut up.

Sorry to be rude, but you people irritate me. I mean, what do you think, that if you write some weblogs complaining the UN will come and save you? You're going to have to fight, kill the shia.

Posted by: Amos at November 27, 2006 02:42 PM

Abu Kais, what kind of solution with Hezbollah do you foresee?

Posted by: Lira at November 27, 2006 02:50 PM

While most of what you mention might be correct, the court of public opinion is against the current government.

Your account is totally biased. Iran and Syria interfere in Lebanese affair, in the same amplitude as US & Israel do.

The current government/parliament do not reflect the current public opinion. Remember that most MPs have gained their seat because of Hezbollah's support.

The current government has alienated Shia's by backstabbing Hezbollah promising support on one hand in their mandate, and promising western powers their disarmament. The current government has since the elections, alienated Christians by isolating Aoun, and refusing to acknowledge his political size and support among Christians.

Only a new parliamentary election is the way out to defuse the current crisis. Refusing the concept of new elections, is tantamout to accepting the hypocrisy of selective democracy.

Posted by: ross at November 27, 2006 02:53 PM


If this stuff is so irritating, don't read it. Go read some comic book or something less irritating. No one's forcing you to sit here and read about it.

Posted by: BadVilbel at November 27, 2006 02:53 PM


Nice try, but your comments have absolutely no basis in fact. Aoun broke away from the remainder of the Christian side BEFORE the elections, not "since the elections" (as you claim).
The rest of your comment is also completly inaccurate.

Posted by: BadVilbel at November 27, 2006 02:55 PM

Oh wow, Amos, really deep argument there. I am floored. Kill the Shia? I suppose I should start with myself and my family, many of whom are not affiliated with Hizbullah.

We, the bloggers that irritate you, are calling for rule of law in our country. Many of us have lived through wars. Our "whining" is not directed at you, so feel free to dodge it and return to your other hobbies, which I presume include mass murder.

Posted by: Abu Kais at November 27, 2006 02:58 PM

I have no personal opinion of your particular family since I don't know them. However I do have some experience with the shia Lebanese muslims, since we have a small but violent and criminaly prone Lebanese muslim community here in Sydney. In the last two decades they have fired machine guns at police stations, flooded the Western suburbs with cheap Chinese hand guns, committed endless acts of petty violence and intimidation against their fellow citizens, including myself (plus numerous major acts of violence such as murder and gang rape) and are the only immigrant group in Australia's history so persistently disgusting and provocative to have succeeded in provoking this country's first actual race riot.

So you see, your countrymen have been rather busy here in a nation that took them in as refugees from the Lebanese civil war. You might want to google the phrase 'She's not worth 55 years' to get an idea of how fun it's been for us Australians to host your wonderful relatives. What it must be like living next to literally millions of these scumbags armed by foreign dictators with missiles and guns I don't know. Not fun I bet.

Look Abu, I feel for you. You're obviously a decent guy, but the disgusting, violence-worshipping culture your people are steeped in is like a knife held to everyone else's throat. And everyone else is going to have to do something about it.

Posted by: Amos at November 27, 2006 04:25 PM


If you're going to insult the guy and his "people" (since you're grouping all Lebanese Shia together), at least get his name right. It's Abu Kais. There is no "Abu".

Posted by: No name at November 27, 2006 04:39 PM

Hizbullah is simply trying to take over Lebanon, making it a vassal of Hisbullah's master, and we all know who that is.

Hiszullah will use WHATEVER excuse/rationalization makes itself available at any given time, knowing full well the weight of the international community is behind it cheering it on.

Lebanese who want real, genuine freedom will have to fight an ugly, nasty, gruesome civil war.

Not just fight it, but WIN it.

Posted by: Randall at November 27, 2006 05:26 PM

Amos is wrong to say the Lebanese are whining but he's right that the Lebanese will not solve the Hezbollah problem until they pound Hezbollah into the ground. Hezbollah is not going to just go away, or become good citizens. They have no respect for the state or for the concept of democracy. It's like a bad joke to them. These guys call themselves the party of God, do you think they give a flying f... about the Lebanese constitution and its delicately balanced words?

Posted by: NoSleep at November 27, 2006 06:01 PM

Amos .. move down to Melbourne, its a lot quieter here than Sydney. But you're right in general about Lebanese immigrants having a really bad overall reputation in Australia.

But I never thought about relating that to the current situation in Lebanon. Most of the readers of this blog want to see a peaceful and democratic Lebanon emerge, so that there won't be any more refugees created in future wars and conflicts.

Ross... get a clue man. US and Israel interfere in Lebanon ? And you think they interfere as much as Syria and Hezbollah do?

Even the most fanatical Hezbollah supporter in Lebanon would laugh inside at the idea that Israel has as much influence as Hezbollah in Lebanese affairs.

I was wondering how long it would take before a troll would come along and blame Israel and America.

Posted by: Jono at November 27, 2006 06:21 PM

Abu Kais,

I have some questions if you have time and don't mind answering.

1) What are your general thoughts about Westerners who vocally support Hizballah as the "Lebanese national resistance?" And, if you think they're misguided, what should they know that might change their mind?

2) What are your general thoughts about non-Shia Lebanese who feel that way as well?

3) What position(s), if any, would you like to see foreign governments (or individuals) - especially the United States, but also major European powers - adopt as their "Lebanon policy"?

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: SoCalJustice at November 27, 2006 07:28 PM

Well, Abu Kais, hope you feel right at home -- no one is being any more polite than usual! I appreciate your blog and glad you're here for awhile.

Hizbullah using this line: "There is no constitutional legitimacy for any authority which contradicts the 'pact of communal coexistence.'" is just dumbfounding irony. But I keep hearing there is no word or term for Irony in Arabic.True? Or maybe it's just that there's no concept of irony for any radical.

I sincerely hope the US and EU don't use Lebanon (or Israel) in barter with the Syrians for 'help' with Iraq. ("Here, if we let you torch this little country, will you stop throwing fuel on the big one -- great, 'preciate the help.") Is that a concern in Lebanon?

I have to agree with some other comments, though, that Hizbullah isn't going to go away voluntarily, even if Syria somehow stopped prodding them. It's had the bit in its teeth once, and won't stop until every last breathing radical partisan has a stake through his or her heart. Do the other Lebanese have the energy and the will to go that far?

Posted by: Pam at November 27, 2006 08:00 PM

SoCalJustice.. I thought I'd step in and give my answer to your first question.

For foreigners and especially journalists who view Hezbollah as the "Lebanese national resistance", I think that the wording is wrong, misguided and deliberately whitewashed to promote Hezbollah as a moderate grass-roots organisation.

It totally whitewashes some of the grotesque actions that they routinely perform. Firstly, they aren't entirely Lebanese, and the leadership is entirely driven by Iranian influence and given large logistical support from the Syrian regime.

To call them "national resistance" is entirely wrong. Its an Orwellian inversion of reality. Hezbollah have very little respect for Lebanon's national institutions, its ethnic diversity, its government, its military and its sovereignty.

Perhaps 20 years ago, you could employ the word resistance, but there hasn't been an Israeli, American or French presence in Lebanon. Israel controlled the southern border for security reasons, and there was previously hardly any populated areas there.

The only exception to an Israeli presence was this July when Hezbollah provoked a war with a neighboring state by slaughtering 8 soldiers, blowing up a tank and kidnapping 3 soldiers, followed by weeks of heavy but random missile fire at Israeli cities and villages.

What on earth has Hezbollah been "resisting" since 2000 when Israel withdrew unilaterally ?

Deploying thousands of rockets and missile launchers near civilian areas. Enforcing strict sharia law within their neighborhood. Planting land mines along the border with Israel. Trying to attack Israeli soldiers and tanks on patrol.

Posted by: Jono at November 27, 2006 09:26 PM

Once again, SoCalJustice saves the comments thread.

Sir, you always ask excellent and thought provoking questions, and fully takeup the opportunity Michael introduces when he brings in a guest-blogger.

You know my opinion about the questions you ask. I think I began my first guest-post here on the very subject of Western support for lunacy in the Middle East.

Posted by: Charles Malik at November 27, 2006 10:22 PM


Any rudeness directed toward my guest bloggers will be treated by me as rudeness directed at me personally.

You will be polite or you will be somewhere else.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 27, 2006 11:07 PM

Michael Young's take.

Posted by: Barry Meislin at November 28, 2006 12:26 AM

I think a huge problem in the world is the successful "melting pot" of America, where "in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity..." the US founders wrote great stuff and believed them.
But the USA is not a "nation state", with an English or German or Slovak "nationality". Anybody in the world can come to America and become an American -- after 15 years in Slovakia I am not, nor will ever be, a Slovak (which is a different nation than the Czech Republic, and a bi-national Czecho-Slovakia didn't work out so well).

An alternative national organization is Switzerland, with highly autonomous cantons -- and four official languages. I suggest Lebanon push more towards a Swiss style canton based Confederation, with a much weaker president and stronger, more autonomous and responsible canton government.

[I also thought this should have been used for Yugoslavia, and even South Africa.]

Amos, I think you were especially too rude in your first post, but I was very interested to read about bad Leb-Muslim behavior in Australia (which follows the melting pot US model).

Abu Kais, (is "Abu K" ok for short?) what is the status of any draft or Lebanese military service now? Why don't the non-Hez groups start training a LOT more of their own 19-20 year olds for Leb. Army service?

Posted by: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad at November 28, 2006 01:21 AM

In fact, and upon becoming a deputy or minister, cabinet members are considered representatives of the entire nation and “no restriction or stipulation may be imposed upon [their] mandate by [their] electors,” let alone the party to which they belong.

....which is an utterly unrealistic expectation.

Anyone who attains high position will remember who helped them get there, will appreciate the assistance, and is very likely to try to repay them.

I've heard that the Lebanese constitution has some French input, stuff like that makes me think it's true.


Promised acts of “civil disobedience” amount to treason, especially when the country is on the verge of economic collapse because of a devastating war started by none other than Hizbullah.

Be very careful with that line of thinking.

Civil disobedience, as the term is generally understood in the west, means peaceful protests and non-violent and non-destructive refusal to comply with what the 'civil disobeyer' thinks is an improper law.

Using violence to undermine the rule of law is most emphatically not civil disobedience. I agree that doing such a thing could be considered treasonous (Americans have a very, very narrow definition of that term), but I would not accuse anyone of such a thing until after the act has been committed.

Posted by: rosignol at November 28, 2006 06:07 AM

Amos, I think you were especially too rude in your first post, but I was very interested to read about bad Leb-Muslim behavior in Australia (which follows the melting pot US model).

It's pretty damn ugly... Gang rapes would be the most disturbing aspect, but there's quite a bit more.

You may have heard about an imam who compared uncovered women to meat being left out for cats a while back... I'll give you one guess who he's associated with.

Posted by: rosignol at November 28, 2006 06:16 AM

Tom Grey: "...what is the status of any draft or Lebanese military service now?"

Apparently there have been rumors for years of dropping the mandatory service. It supposed to be mandatory service upon turning 18, unless you are in college (and then you go after college) but now we think it has been reduced to 1 month of training and a few months of service--which is quite pointless in my opinion. Does anyone know the exact requirements these days? It's actually a shame that the military option is not more appealing for all the unemployed youth.

And you can call me Umm K. for short :)

Posted by: Um Kais at November 28, 2006 06:57 AM

The root problem in Lebanon is they think Israel is the enemy. If they would wake up and realize that Israel is their best friend, they'd be able to counter the Syrians and Iranians, who are their real enemies.

Posted by: Yafawi at November 28, 2006 07:01 AM

Yafawi, "best friend" is a stretch, no one has a best friend in the middle east, unfortunately.

Posted by: NoSleep at November 28, 2006 08:25 AM

A few "on the fly" comments/responses:

  • Regardless of what "reputation" Lebanese shia have in Australia. That is still not a reflection on the population at large. Amos' comments are no different than someone saying "African Americans have a bad reputation in the US. They're all criminals." or "Jews have a reputation for controlling the media and Hollywood".
  • I have to ask: Who are these westerners who support Hezbollah that you guys are talking about? Besides a few nutjobs here and there, I think everyone in the west is pretty much on the same page when it comes to HA being considered a terrorist organization. I don't see this support you guys are talking about (although I might be missing something, obviously). Now, the "Palestinian cause" is a whole different matter. That has always had its supporters in the West (going all the way back to teh 70s).
  • Yafawi: I'd say "best friend" is a bit of a stretch. But you do have a point. The problem is arabs in general, have been brainwashed by decades of anti-Israeli rethoric. This stuff goes beyond common sense and logic. There's this almost sacrilegous (in the very religious sense of the word) taboo about "being friends with Israel" and it's gonna take a LONG time to break that down and undo the brainwashing. I think peace will have to come FIRST, for people to start realizing that it's ok to be friends with Israel. Think of it this way: Try convincing someone who's been raised catholic, and believes very strongly in being anti-abortion (pro-life) that there are common sense reasons for abortion (medical reasons, say): Chances are you can't. Arabs (specifically muslims) have been brainwashed for decades now to believe that Israel is not only an enemy in the military sense, but that Israel is an abomination in the religious sense of the word (hence my parallel to abortion).
    You get the idea.
Posted by: bad vilbel at November 28, 2006 09:49 AM


"I have to ask: Who are these westerners who support Hezbollah that you guys are talking about? Besides a few nutjobs here and there, I think everyone in the west is pretty much on the same page when it comes to HA being considered a terrorist organization."

People like Canadian MP's Borys Wrzesnewskyj and Peggy Nash:

MPs call for Canada to drop Hezbollah from terror list

Or the leadership of the Presbyterian (PCUSA) Church who went to Lebanon to meet with Hizballah:

"We treasure the precious words of Hezbollah and your expression of goodwill toward the American people," Stone says. "Also we praise your initiative for dialogue and mutual understanding. We cherish these statements that bring us closer to you. As an elder of our church, I'd like to say that according to my recent experience, relations and conversations with Islamic leaders are a lot easier than dealings and dialogue with Jewish leaders."

That statement was, er, "taken out of context," he later tells us.

Then you have the leadership of all the mainstream Muslim/Arab organizations in the U.S. (not sure if it's fair to call them "nutjobs" - but i'm sure some would think so) who, at a minimum, defend Hizballah - as well as the ones who actively lobby to have them removed from the terror designation list.

And these people might be nutjobs, but there are lots of them. The protest anything "anti-U.S." crowd, International ANSWER, etc.... Far-left and far-right.

The pro-Palestinian crowd which you acknowledge seemed to universally embrace Nasrallah-fever this summer. Some of them are nutjobs, yes.

I'm not saying that they have tons of influence, I just asked - from a Shia non-Hizballah perspective - what these people should know that could perhaps alter their perceptions.

Posted by: SoCalJustice at November 28, 2006 11:34 AM

Thanks for the answer SoCalJustice.

As far as I'm concerned, most of those you listed fall under the nutjob category (although they might disagree).

I can't really think of any mainstream western movements that still support Hezbollah. (I contrast this notion to how it was kinda trendy to support the Palestinian cause back in the 1970s, for example).

Besides your oddball senator or congressman here or there, i think most mainstream parties in western politics are pretty unanimous about their condemnation of Hezbollah. Be it the Democrats or the Republicans in the US, the socialists or the centrists in France, Labor or The Tories in Britain. You get the idea.

Posted by: bad vilbel at November 28, 2006 11:48 AM

Forgot to answer your question :)

What should these people know that would alter their perception? Hm. Somewhat of an irrelevant question, to be honest.

1. I don't think there is anything you can do to cause radical nutjobs to alter their perceptions.

2. It doesn't really matter if radical nutjobs alter their perception, in the end. They don't dictate western foreign policy or public opinion. They're very irrelevant.

Posted by: bad vilbel at November 28, 2006 11:50 AM

* Besides a few nutjobs here and there, I think everyone in the west is pretty much on the same page when it comes to HA being considered a terrorist organization.

A depressing number of western governments make a (false) distinction between Hizbullah's 'political' and 'militant' wings. Sure, most consider the 'militant' side of the group terrorists, but pretty much let the 'political' side operate without impediment.

This is like saying the 'heads' side of a coin is a seperate entity from the 'tails' side.

* Yafawi: I'd say "best friend" is a bit of a stretch. But you do have a point. The problem is arabs in general, have been brainwashed by decades of anti-Israeli rethoric.

Yeah. I know some people who were raised in some of the more anti-catholic sects of protestantism. It's wierd. They're totally civil to catholics in social situations, can even be friends with catholics... but if the religion itself ever comes up in discussion, well... what they say sounds pretty nutty and has very little basis in fact. I can tell they haven't thought about it themselves, what they are saying is pure reflexive regurgitation of ideas that were crammed down their throats when they were quite young.

I expect the Muslim/Jew thing is a much more extreme form of the same phenomenon.

The consequences of the hate-the-jews indoctrination muslims are getting now will be with us for generations.

Posted by: rosignol at November 28, 2006 12:15 PM

Yeah, The one thing most Nut Jobs have in common is that they don't know (or can't accept) that THEY are the Nut Jobs!

Posted by: lindsey at November 28, 2006 01:05 PM


My question wasn't concerned with who dictates foreign policy, really. It seems to me, from everything I've read here and in other places, Lebanon is kind of screwed no matter what America/the EU does.

I just wonder if there's any good way to coommunicate to people who gave knee-jerk support to Hizballah during this summer's war that Hizballah causes much more trouble than good for Lebanon.

And I guess I'm hoping that when George Galloway (for example) is at a podium at an "anti-war" rally and says something like: "Hezbollah has never been a terrorist organisation. I am here to glorify the Lebanese resistance, Hezbollah, and to glorify the resistance leader, Nasrallah...” that the "pro-Arab" position (to the extent there is one) should be to laugh in his face.

Posted by: SoCalJustice at November 28, 2006 02:03 PM

I mean, my question #3 was about FP, but #'s 1 and 2 were about something less important, sure, but worthy (in my opinion) of debate/discussion.

I mean, you have your Allistair Crooke's of the world whose sole mission in life is to get the West to understand and talk to Hamas and Hizballah. But, yeah, he's not having much success.

Posted by: SoCalJustice at November 28, 2006 02:05 PM


Right. Nobody's really listening to the nutjobs (Allistair Crooke and his ilk). That was my point.

And there's not much you or anyone else can do to convince these nutjobs that HA is hurting Lebanon. More often than not, people like this are not really interested in who they are hurting anyway. They do this more for their own agrandisement (sp?) and to get their 15 minutes in the spotlight. (Did that make sense?)

It's just like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Who are doing more harm than good (in my opinion) when they continue to freak out about the whole Michael Richards incident, giving it more exposure than it's worth (for their own benefit).

Some people are a lot more interested in making TV appearances and being talked about, than they are in the actual causes they claim to represent.

Posted by: BadVilbel at November 28, 2006 02:13 PM

To clarify, mandatory military service is supposed to be phased out of Lebanon sometime in 2007. This decision was made by the government of Omar Karami shortly before Rafik Hariri was killed.

Posted by: Omega80 at November 28, 2006 02:38 PM

just a small point of clarification -- sheikh hilali, the australian cleric of "uncovered meat" fame, is from egypt, not lebanon (though apparently his constituency is dominated by lebanese-australians), and he's sunni, not shia.

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