November 24, 2006

Troll Alert

Someone has been impersonating me in the comments. That person's comments have been deleted.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at November 24, 2006 09:47 AM
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Someone has been impersonating me in the comments.

Including the funny walk?

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 24, 2006 06:07 PM

Sorry. For the record, I've never met Michael and am sure he doesn't have a funny walk. But that line has been hanging in front of me for the last few hours. I'm weak, what can I say.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 24, 2006 06:09 PM

So that's how you come by the ungood moniker. Good thing MJT isn't a honor driven radical muslim, or there'd be hell to pay. They have a hell? Now there's a setup for some clever joker.

Posted by: allan at November 24, 2006 07:23 PM

Was it funny?

Posted by: mikek at November 24, 2006 07:33 PM

Not until somebody comes through with a punchline. Setup is a setup-not the funny part. Age old formula. BadaBoom. Rim shot. That kind of deal. Think Dangerfield.

Posted by: allan at November 24, 2006 07:47 PM

Hey, have any of you guys heard of Assad AbuKhalil, i.e. Angry Arab (http://angryarab.blogspot.com/)?

It's a pretty sickening blog...

Posted by: Zak at November 24, 2006 08:22 PM

Impersonating you? What a joker.

Posted by: harrison at November 24, 2006 10:45 PM

Hey, have any of you guys heard of Assad AbuKhalil

That would be Asa'ad Abu Khalil. Interesting guy, an Lebanese Arab atheist anarchist. I started reading him when he was blogging about a speaking tour he was doing Gulf States, and was asked to meet with a prince of Dubai or one of the other Gulf States. He spent the audience time angrily telling him off because he was a dictator.

And he wore jeans and runners to the audience.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 24, 2006 10:48 PM

Correction, it was actually the Emir (or Amir) of Qatar.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 24, 2006 10:59 PM

On Asa'ad Abu Khalil
Who can take a guy with this kind of hair seriously? I see his face and I tune out immediately.

Posted by: NoSleep at November 25, 2006 05:09 AM

That would be Asa'ad Abu Khalil. Interesting guy, an Lebanese Arab atheist anarchist.

Well, whatever you call him, he seems like an asshole to me. I wouldn’t give any credence to some blogger who called himself "Angry Jew"; I certainly won’t give Mr. Abukhalil any either. The comments section on his blog attracts a lot of paranoid anti-Semites, which says something about the level of political discourse there. But hey, he’s an “interesting guy” who likes to wear “jeans and runners,” just like me and you! Don’t we all feel hunky dory?

Posted by: Zak at November 25, 2006 08:43 AM

On Asa'ad Abu Khalil, Who can take a guy with this kind of hair seriously? I see his face and I tune out immediately.

Who can take him seriously, apparently California State University and Berkely. What are the humanities coming too?

As'ad's Bio
He is now professor of political science at California State University, Stanislaus and visiting professor at UC, Berkeley.

Posted by: Zak at November 25, 2006 08:48 AM

Zak
Hey Yale has a Taliban, why can't Berkeley have an angry Arab with a ridiculous hair-do?

Posted by: NoSleep at November 25, 2006 09:14 AM

Tru dat, nosleep.

But at least the Taliban dude ain't a FREAKIN' professor!

Posted by: Zak at November 25, 2006 09:19 AM

Hey, his hair is teh awesome. You guys are so unhip it's a wonder your bums don't fall off.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 25, 2006 09:48 AM

But hey, he’s an “interesting guy” who likes to wear “jeans and runners,” just like me and you! Don’t we all feel hunky dory?

Well, some of us are obviously feeling less hunky dory and a bit bitchy instead.

He is interesting, whether you agree with him or not. He hates the Saudis with a passion, he hates Hussein and the fascist Ba'aath, he hates the Jordanian and Gulf States roaysl. Well, he seems to hate just about everyone. Which is okay with me. Provides negative perspective all round.

Regarding "Angry Arab", what's wrong with that? Is the the Angry part, the Arab part, or the combo?

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 25, 2006 09:53 AM

I find him to be very unconstructive. His blog name says it all-- just a lot of hate and anger. I'd say there's already enough of that in the Middle East.

Posted by: Zak at November 25, 2006 12:13 PM

I'd say there's already enough of that in the Middle East.

Good thing he lives in California.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 25, 2006 03:36 PM

Good thing he lives in California...

If he drives the LA freeways, I know where some of that hate and anger is coming from. If he lives in San Diego, I need to get his schedule and routes.

Posted by: allan at November 25, 2006 04:27 PM

What a prick. He makes a living practically bashing America yet he's more than happy to live here.

Posted by: Zak at November 25, 2006 04:44 PM

He makes a living practically bashing America yet he's more than happy to live here.

Because no-one that lives in America should criticize it?

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 25, 2006 05:02 PM

None the less, dp, he is an asshole who does his best to stir up hatred for Israel and the US, as if more of THAT were needed.

He also banned me from his comment section, make of that what you will.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at November 25, 2006 05:51 PM

...does his best to stir up hatred for Israel and the US...

And Hezbollah, and Jordan, and Syria, and Iran, and Egypt, etc.

He also banned me from his comment section, make of that what you will.

I wish I could say I'm surprised.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 25, 2006 08:00 PM
Just for fun, I thought I'd tally up today's blog postings by Khalil to see who he was attacking. Here it is:
  • Lebanese politics in general
  • Lebanese government
  • France (twice)
  • Saudi Arabia
  • Jordan's Abdullah
  • Dick Cheney
  • Gemayyal family's history of assassinations
  • Walid Jumblat
  • Iraqi liberation/occupation
  • Hezbollah
  • Lebanese Journalists (three times)
  • Eygptian practice of female genital mutilation
  • John Bolton
  • Maureen Dowd
Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 25, 2006 08:25 PM

There's a huge difference between criticism and stirring up hatred, but I'm beginning to see that dp has a pattern. Hatred is not something his brain can process, or notice.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at November 25, 2006 11:04 PM

DP,

Of course people have a right to criticize America, especially US citizens.

However, there is something particularly galling when a non-citizen who absolutely hates this country comes here, stirs up hatred (which I agree is different than merely crticizing) and makes a comfortable living at our expense.

Posted by: Zak at November 26, 2006 08:21 AM

D*mn, and anyone who attacks Maureen Dowd almost gets an automatic pass from me :).

Posted by: Ron at November 26, 2006 10:18 AM

...I'm beginning to see that dp has a pattern. Hatred is not something his brain can process, or notice.

What an enormously odd thing to say. Of course I can see hatred. The world and the internet is full of it, it's all over the place, and I can recognize it quite easily. It's the motivation for a lot of politics, and it's certainly the basis of quite a bit of what passes for commentary on these blogs we read.

That's quite a mistaken assumption you've made. I'd suggest you apply your pattern identifying skills to your own motivations to say something like that, because it's such an large conclusion to reach without any basis in fact.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 26, 2006 10:50 AM

However, there is something particularly galling when a non-citizen who absolutely hates this country comes here, stirs up hatred (which I agree is different than merely crticizing) and makes a comfortable living at our expense.

I see little evidence that he hates the country and a lot that he likes it. There is an enormous difference between being critical of a government's policies and being critical of the nation and peoples themselves.

If you know of an instance where he has displayed hatred or stirred up hatred of the character of the nation itself, I'd like to see it. I read him regularly, and I haven't seen such stirring up of hatred.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 26, 2006 10:55 AM

D*mn, and anyone who attacks Maureen Dowd almost gets an automatic pass from me

:-)

I thought the same when I saw his remarks of the Saudi and the Gulf State royals.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 26, 2006 10:57 AM

DPU,

If you don't notice the hate and rage that drips off of Angry Arab's blog then there is no point for us to discuss this any further.

In dictatorships the people don't have much say in policy. In the United States the citizenry has a much wider impact. Angry Arab despises our policies. He despised us when Clinton was our president and he despises us now.

Posted by: Zak at November 26, 2006 11:35 AM

If you don't notice the hate and rage that drips off of Angry Arab's blog...

Of course I do. But if there's all that hate toward America dripping, then you should be able to point me toward at least one of the drips. It wouldn't even have to be one of the bigger drips, just a little one.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 26, 2006 11:59 AM

Checking out Angry Arab's site, it is NOTHING like I remember it.

I think I confused it with a different blog, one out of Egypt. That blog had very detailed web customization while Angry Arab is just a standard, unadorned blogspot affair. There's no way one would turn a beatifully formatted blog into that blogspot mess, so I must have confused two different blogs.

I apologize for the confusion... Now what was the blog I was talking about? I didn't save a link after being banned.

Also I tested it, I'm not banned on Angry Arab.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at November 26, 2006 12:16 PM

Threadjack - there's considerable evidence that something has snapped in Iraq. Sadr's militia has taken over the state-run television channel and is issuing a call to arms against the Sunni. His militia is control of large sections of Baghdad, and Sunni militias seem to be stepping up patrols and checkpoints.

I think the blood is truly about to start to flow. Here's hoping that the US forces in Iraq are safe, and that they can do whatever they can to stop this.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 26, 2006 12:49 PM

What I do remember from Angry Arab is that he's published a those, look-at-all-the-babies - Israelis-have-murdered pictorials that, since they do not call for peace and do not show pictures of Israeli children killed in the fighting as well are much closer to blood-libel than to peace activist rhetoric.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at November 26, 2006 02:19 PM

So pictures published of Israeli victims of suicide bombers are close to blood libel unless they are also accompanied with photos of Palestinian victims and calls for peace?

You logic escapes me. And I wouldn't call him a peace activist. Professional cynic might be closer to the truth.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 26, 2006 02:24 PM

Speaking of criticizing Gulf State royals; this document is in circulation (PDF). Someone used Google Earth to check out the various palaces and private islands that Bahrain's royals possess, and compares it to what the commoners have. Interesting use of the technology.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 26, 2006 02:53 PM

So pictures published of Israeli victims of suicide bombers are close to blood libel unless they are also accompanied with photos of Palestinian victims and calls for peace?

There's a huge difference between a call for peace and a call for vengence. When you peruse the Arab blogosphere and read all of those dead-baby pictorials, which do they seem closer to to you? If those people never call for any steps that would lead to peace, then I would say they're just stirring up that old tribal honor/hatred. Nothing good comes of that.

I still don't think you're really understanding the meaning and function of what you read. I stick by my original analysis of you.

Posted by: Josh Scholar at November 26, 2006 04:51 PM

There's a huge difference between a call for peace and a call for vengence.

Could you supply me the link where Khalil calls for vengeance? I can't find it.

I stick by my original analysis of you.

If you think I care a gnat's whisker for your "analysis" of me, you've made another catastrophic blunder. Analyze away.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 26, 2006 05:33 PM

DPU,

I'm not going to go through all of Angry Arab's stuff to find specific instances of America hating. I have better things to do. If you can't get the jist of his blog, then fine. I think the overall tone speaks volumes. I enjoy debating with you, but please don't play stupid.

Posted by: Zak at November 26, 2006 06:10 PM

dpu doesn't do subtext.

I enjoy debating with you...

That's where I differ with Zak

Posted by: Josh Scholar at November 26, 2006 06:33 PM

I'm not going to go through all of Angry Arab's stuff to find specific instances of America hating.

As you indicated that the blog was "dripping" with hatred, I had thought it wouldn't take long. If it's actually a sparse sort of dripping, you needn't bother.

...but please don't play stupid

Asking people to back statements up is "acting stupid?"

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 26, 2006 06:33 PM

That's where I differ with Zak

Oh good, then you can stop.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 26, 2006 06:35 PM

I enjoy debating with you, but please don't play stupid.

This statement deserves more comment than my flippancy above. Your assertion is that he's anti-American. I, who have been reading his blog for the last two years, disagree. That leaves me with only three options - (1) say nothing and by my silence imply that you are right, (2) take the approach that some commenters here enjoy and call you an idiot, a liar, or worse or (3) figure that either I'm wrong and didn't see something that you did, or that you're wrong and are working on impressions rather than solid fact.

I prefer taking the (3) route. And asking you to provide for a citation that proves your opinion handles both possibilities.

I don't think that is playing stupid. I think it's the approach most likely to resolve the issue with the maximum amount of respect.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 26, 2006 06:53 PM

Me: I'm not going to go through all of Angry Arab's stuff to find specific instances of America hating.

DPU: As you indicated that the blog was "dripping" with hatred, I had thought it wouldn't take long (to identify)… all that hate toward America… you should be able to point me toward at least one of the drips. It wouldn't even have to be one of the bigger drips, just a little one.

Me: ...but please don't play stupid

DPU: Asking people to back statements up is "acting stupid?"
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When I wrote that the overall tone of Angry Arab’s blog “dripped” with hatred, I was obviously using the word “drip” metaphorically. You ask me to identify examples of Angry Arab “dripping” with hate. That’s a difficult task, since it would seem to require a fair amount of subjectivity, i.e. we probably won’t agree with what “drips” with hatred.

I was going to do my homework and find examples of dripping hatred on Angry Arab’s blog, but I don’t think you’d agree with my examples. You would dispute them. It would be a colossal waste of my time. However, I’d like to add that I believe you can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep. With that in mind, it is without a doubt that Angry Arab’s comments section—which he does not moderate—attracts many paranoid anti-Semites. Again, it tells you something about the overall level of discourse there.

I know you will call me on not finding examples in Angry Arab’s blog, so be it. I invite anybody interested, however, to visit Angry Arab’s blog. You’ll get the overall picture. I don't really care to change your mind, DPU, or play semantic games with you. But for other people with an open mind, visit Angry Arab and draw your own conclusions. Remember- he's a really interesting guy! :)

That’s it. I’m no longer going to haggle over the word “drip.” Let’s move on.

Posted by: Zak at November 27, 2006 10:24 AM

Remember- he's a really interesting guy! :)

Fair enough, and thanks for the thoughtful reply. And I do think he's an interesting guy, but then, my tastes are probably not yours.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at November 27, 2006 06:10 PM

I guess if Angry Arab wasn't an interesting guy we wouldn't have gotten into this debate in the first place.

:)

Posted by: Zak at November 27, 2006 07:30 PM
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