March 14, 2006
And these are our allies?
One of the most interesting, important, and under studied changes in recent years has been the decline in U.S.-Turkish relations. To an extent it's a shame, as Turkey needs U.S. support for its rightful quest to join the EU. The problem is that too many in the U.S., especially in that most supine department of government, the State Department, don't seem to understand that relations have changed, while some in Turkey think that they can get away with the unpleasant techniques of the past.
Which allusive introduction brings us conveniently to Henri Barkey's splendidly angry denounciation of the Turkish government in this weekend's Los Angeles Times. The Turkish government, Barkey points out, was happy to meet the leader of a fascist, terrorist movement, but did not want U.S. officials to officially receive a democratically elected mayor of one of Turkey's largest cities, a man who opposes terrorism.
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Posted by Andrew Apostolou at March 14, 2006 03:26 AM"Rightful quest"? Why use such quasi-religious language? And in what rests the "rightfulness" of this "quest" in the first place?
Pragmatically, and from a Turkish perspective, it almost certainly is the country's best interest to join the EU. They stand to gain from it considerably, financially as well as politcally.
However, my perspective as a EU European (I'm German) is a different one. We only stand to lose from a Turkish EU accession. That's indisputable financially, and the risk for political and social destabilization of the EU is tremendous. I almost consider it a certainty.
Why, therefore, should the EU take up such burdens and incur such risks? What would be the corresponding benefits for us? I frankly can't see any.
Or is it just that we are, in your view, obligated, for whatever reasons, to satsify the Turkish sense of entitlement? Heck, otherwise they might even "feel provoked"!
Posted by: Michael Herzog at March 14, 2006 05:41 AMMichael H, good question: "should the EU take up such burdens and incur such risks" -- very very similar to the one that racist Democrats were asking in the South in the 50s and 60s.
And the answer is similar: "all men are created equal." The realpolitik question is whether the EU should lower their standards of gov't behavior in order to allow the Turkish gov't to become a member.
They should not. One, high, standard for all -- and if Turkey really qualifies under that standard, then they should be allowed in. And I doubt that Turkey will really qualify, until more of the ME is run by democratically elected rulers.
Note that acceptace of the freedom to practice your religion is part of that standard, especially to allow Jews to practice. I think France is on the verge of no-longer qualifying for membership.
Posted by: Tom Grey - Libertay Dad at March 14, 2006 09:22 AM"support for its rightful quest to join the EU. "
WTF? what right is that then?
The EU is big enough now and we need to consolidate after our last expansion before politely telling the Turks to naff off once and for all.
Posted by: LeGRandeNezzz at March 14, 2006 08:25 PMFirst of all, why would Europe want to border Syria, Iraq and Iran? I don't care if Turkey was Switzerland, I wouldn't want to have those neighbors.
Turkey seems to be leaning more towards the Islamic world now than in the past. We may find, as Israel is, that a rising India is a more powerful and reliable ally.
Posted by: liberal hawk at March 14, 2006 08:52 PMTom,
I'm sort of at a loss what to make of your comments.
In your first paragraph, you seem to suggest that my rejection of Turkish EU membership is tantamount to racism. Fortunately, later in your post you come up with points of substance -- and they seem to incline you, too, against a Turkish EU accession (at least presently). Why, then, the initial slur?
As to your "all men are created equal" argument, wouldn't this, if thought through, lead to the conclusion that everybody, every single friggin' nation on the face of the earth, has a "right" to join the EU? Slightly absurd, isn't it?
There is no "human right" to membership in any club. Those who voluntarily associate everywhere determine who else they let in.
Plus, does the "E" in EU still have any meaning? There are many facets to this question of what constitutes Europenan-ness. Let's for the moment stick with the pretty straighforward geographical and historical aspects.
At least since Roman times the bulk of what is now Turkey was considered as outside Europe. There is a reason why those territories today are called Asia Minor.
Oh, but Turkey (or rather its predecessor, the Ottoman Empire) for centuries took part in the shaping of European history, our custodians in the liberal political elite assure us. Yes -- but as a hostile conquering and colonizing power. By the same token, France, Britain, Belgium, Italy could then claim membership in the African Union.
As to the Turkish political track record and its current trending, I fully concur with Liberal Hawk.
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