February 20, 2006

“Our Jerusalem”

Kurdistan Map with Kirkuk.jpg
Map copyright National Geographic

ERBIL, IRAQ – Iraq may not survive in one piece. The overwhelming majority of Iraqi Kurds are packing their bags. Most have already said goodbye. Erbil (Hawler in Kurdish) is the capital of the de-facto sovereign Kurdistan Regional Government. Baghdad is thought of as the capital of a deranged foreign country.

In January 2005 the Iraqi Kurds held an informal referendum. More than 80 percent turned out to vote. 98.7 percent of those voted to secede from Iraq. Not only have the Kurds long dreamed of independence, when they look south they see only Islamism, Baathism, blood, fire, and mayhem.

If Middle Easterners had drawn the borders themselves, Iraq wouldn’t even exist. Blame the British for shackling Kurds and Arabs together when they created the new post-imperial and post-Ottoman map. The Kurds do. They call the W.C. (the “water closet,” i.e. the toilet) “Winston Churchill.” Several times when my translator needed a bathroom break he said “I need to use the Winston Churchill.”

Arab Iraqis who want to “keep” Kurdistan ought to thank the heavens for Jalal Talabani, Iraq’s new president and the party chief of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. He belongs to the 1.3 percent of Iraqi Kurds who want to stay connected to Baghdad. The Kurds love Talabani, whom they affectionately call “Mam Jalal” (Uncle Jalal), for leading the militarily successful fight against Saddam Hussein.

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Jalal Talabani

Meanwhile, Masoud Barzani, President of Kurdistan and party chief of the Kurdistan Democratic Party, is playing the “bad cop” role. While Talabani is busy in Baghdad trying to hammer out the best federalism bargain the Kurds could ever hope for, Barzani broods in his mountain palace and openly threatens secession.

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Masoud Barzani

Not one Iraqi flag is flown in Kurdistan’s capital of Erbil, which doubles as the stronghold of Barzani’s KDP. Only maps will tell you that Erbil is part of Iraq. The Iraqi flag is flown on government buildings in Suleimaniya, the stronghold of the PUK. But it’s the old Iraqi flag, the pre-Saddam Iraqi flag, the one that doesn’t have Allahu Akbar scrawled across the middle of it.

The Kurdistan Regional Government has its own ministers. They report to no one in Baghdad. The Kurds have their own military. They have their own economy. They have their own internal border, and they are its only policemen. The Kurds even have their own foreign policy. Their government is internationally recognized. When Masoud Barzani travels to foreign capitals he is recognized as the President of Iraqi Kurdistan. The only thing the Kurds don’t have is Kirkuk.

The city of Kirkuk sits bang on top of one of Iraq’s biggest oil fields. It was always a Kurdish-majority city until Saddam Hussein ethnically-cleansed a good portion of the people who refused to change their ethnicity to “Arab.” When Kurds were forced out, Saddam moved Arabs, Stalinist-style, into the Kurds’ former homes.

Today the city is approximately 40 percent Kurdish, 30 percent Arab, and 20 percent Turkmen. The remaining 10 percent are composed of smaller minority groups. It’s a little Lebanon, in other words, where no one makes up the majority. It’s one of the worst tinderboxes in all of Iraq. Two violent incidents, from terrorism to kidnapping to sniping, occur every day in that city. And it’s getting worse.

The Kurds want it back. They don’t want to leave Iraq without the city they call “Our Jerusalem.” Nor will they tolerate a federal Iraq that doesn’t include Kirkuk in their autonomous region.

I asked KDP Minister Falah Bakir what “Our Jerusalem” was all about. Is Kirkuk some kind of cultural capital? Is there a historic significance to the city that I’m not aware of?

“No,” he said. “Kirkuk is part of Kurdistan. But it isn’t ‘Jerusalem.’ Kirkuk is Kirkuk, just as Erbil is Erbil and Mosul is Mosul.” It’s just another Kurdish city, in other words. It was dubbed “Our Jerusalem” by Jalal Talabani as part of a PR campaign.

The Peshmerga can militarily take Kirkuk any time the order is given. But they’re holding back. The Kurds want to take the city peacefully and with honor.

The trouble with taking the city honorably is that they first want to kick out the Arabs moved there by Saddam Hussein. They don’t want to evict all the Arabs. As I’ve mentioned before, Iraqi Kurds have no interest in creating an ethnic-identity state. They only want to reverse Saddam’s Arabization campaign and make the city safe and secure as Erbil, Suleimaniya, and Dohok already are. Those Arabs who lived there before, those who are actually from there, are welcome to stay.

The Kurdistan Regional Government wants to financially compensate those Arabs who are asked to leave. Simply reversing one unfair population transfer with another isn’t right, and the Kurds know it. They might not even care about this at all if Kirkuk weren’t a playground for terrorists. But it is a dangerous place and there are no easy answers. The aftershocks of Saddam’s divide-and-rule strategy are still explosive.

Guardian report Michael Howard knows the city well. “Many of the Arabs I’ve spoken to in Kirkuk are aware that they are in someone else’s territory,” he told me.

At the same time the Kurdistan Regional Government is trying to push one dangerous population out of what they say is their area, they’re actively recruiting a safe population to move north and settle in Kurdistan.

Arab Christians from the south and the center of Iraq are actually given money and housing by the KRG if they move north. Insisting on a purely Kurdish region or a purely Muslim one is the last thing on the establishment’s mind. What they want is geographic federalism or sovereignty. And they need as many well-educated, competent, and trustworthy people as they can find. They don’t care about race, and they don’t care about religion. They are concerned strictly with numbers and security. It's just that some groups are more trusted than others. Arab Christians will never join an Islamist jihad, as everyone knows. And the Kurds trust Arab Christians not to join the Baath either. Arab Muslims can and do move north to Kurdistan as well, but they need approval from the KRG and they are not given incentives.

Michael Howard thinks independence may be inevitable, but it’s a long way off. “This place has potential, but it’s not yet ready to stand on its own. It’s a work in progress, and it’s at the very beginning of that process.”

Masoud Barzani seems to know this, as well. But he won’t let anyone forget the end game: “Self-determination is the natural right of our people,” he said. “When the right time comes, it will become a reality.”

Postscript: If you like what I write, please don’t forget to hit the tip jar. Trips to Iraq don’t pay for themselves.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at February 20, 2006 07:28 AM
Comments

Do the Kurds need to market products and services to their Arab Iraqi neighbors? This might be the most important question. What is in it for them to remain Iraqi citizens? Why should they care?

Posted by: David Thomson at February 20, 2006 08:24 AM

Keeping Iraq united is mission impossible because the only truth about Iraq is that Iraq was never, is not and will never be united.

Posted by: hiwa at February 20, 2006 08:39 AM

Oh, but the Kurds would indeed like their own state, but they know better than to say so with Turkey listening.
And the Israeli role among the Kurds warrants extended mention here.

Posted by: ats at February 20, 2006 08:50 AM

Ats,

I asked around about the Israeli role in Kurdistan and I came up with absolutely zero. It either doesn't exist, or they are trying to hide it.

Average Kurds thought I was weird for asking.

They are pro-Israel, though. Very much so. They aren't trying to hide that. They wanted me to know.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at February 20, 2006 09:02 AM

“Oh, but the Kurds would indeed like their own state, but they know better than to say so with Turkey listening.”

The Kurds know damn well that is best not to form a de jure political entity. It’s far better to simply do so in a de facto sense. This should be enough to allow the Turks to save face. I don’t suspect that the Kurds will officially break away from the rest of Iraq. They will likely retain friendly relations while still keeping their distance.

Posted by: David Thomson at February 20, 2006 09:14 AM

From many different sources, I have come to be very impressed with the Kurds.
American Commanders who have traveled the region claim that, should an American unit find itself in trouble, it will find friendly support if it can make it to Kurdish ground. From their descriptions of their encounters with Kurds, I can only think, "I could fight alongside these people."
I think that we need to embrace the Kurds, to support them, and I believe that, if we do so, we will have an incredibly powerful ally in the region...

Posted by: Sgt. B. at February 20, 2006 09:15 AM

I've always liked the Kurds, and wish them every luck. Here are their 2 big challenges:

[1] Turkey. I suspect Talabani believes as he does because he knows that Turkey will happily mess with "Kurdistan," but will not mess with "Iraq." Until and unless the Kurds can either handle the Turks themselves or the Turks change so much that this would not be a problem, independence is a bad idea.

[2] Exporting. When they're done, they'll have to find some way to get their goods out if they want to trade with the world. This inbcludes oil, also their famous apricots, etc.

-- Poison relations with the rest of Iraq by secession, and shipping stuff out that way becomes harder (not impossible, but Iraq will step into more ofa middleman role and charge a lot for it).

-- Turkey is rugged terrain, not ideal for shipping and also not terribly friendly. They do have an oil pipeline, however, that will be critical.

-- Iran comes with issues of its own, until/unless it becomes truly democratic... but it, too, is an assembly of different ethnicities (difference: the Persians assembled their collection themselves), and even a whiff of pan-Kurdish nationalism will go over badly no matter who is in charge.

These are the hurdles Kurdistan will have to overcome on the way to being born. A tall order - not impossible, but not likely to happen in our immediate future either.

Posted by: Joe Katzman at February 20, 2006 09:44 AM

How does this square with what President Bush said just before the invasion: "Bringing stability and unity to a free Iraq will not be easy." Did he mean to hint that unity was actually impossible? Or was this a sincere war promise that he now can't keep?

Posted by: Greg Kuperberg at February 20, 2006 10:52 AM

Good points Joe K and David T.

Not having a port is a problem. However, when you have a commodity that everyone wants you have some good chips to bargain with. Again, unlike Lebanon they do not (knock on wood) have to deal with Hezballah.

Also Kurdistan is also a rich country in other natural resources as well. Isn't it between the 2 rivers in the Fertile Cresent? Ancient Mesopatamia was the garden of eden compared to the Desert in the rest of the Middle East? Wrong or right?

Further, as long as the country is stable, democratic and and not radicalized anything is possible. Take a look at Hong Kong for a comparative study in natural resources and land, ignoring its lack of port problems.

Mike

Posted by: Mike Nargizian1 at February 20, 2006 11:27 AM

"Bringing stability and unity to a free Iraq will not be easy." This is realism. There is no promise to keep. If the Kurdistan is to secede, it will secede after the Americans are gone, at least after Bush's presidency. In other words, it's the Kurds' decisions, not Americans'. Stop always seeing the world from an American point of view. The only problem with Kurdistan is it'll be a land locked country, it needs friendly neighbors that it is not likely to get if it secedes now.

Posted by: ic at February 20, 2006 11:37 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2d/Kurdish_lands_92_cropped.jpg

Iraqi Kurdistan is landlocked. How do they survive with no port?

Posted by: sophia at February 20, 2006 11:42 AM

Kurdistan is not between the two rivers. I was at Balad AFB (Camp Anaconda) for a year and the north gate of the camp was very near the river Tigris.

The Tigris (East) runs North to South near the western side of Kurdish disputed lands.

The Euphrates runs from the west northwest of Iraq in a southesterly direction joining with the Tigris near Baghdad.

I definetly hope for a independent future for the Kurds. I also have good memories and wishes for Arab Iraq.

Michael I love these Kurdistan posts. I did hit the tip jar, only the second time I have ever done that.

Posted by: john beard at February 20, 2006 11:46 AM

Not only have the Kurds long dreamed of independence, when they look south they see only Islamism, Baathism, blood, fire, and mayhem.

Which is a big reason why the Kurds are the only one of the three major ethnic/ethnic-religious groupings that I have much sympathy for. Collectively speaking, they're the only ones with a truly healthy civil society. The only ones with a strong committment to secular, democratic politics. The only ones who are pro-American to any significant degree.

But it looks like it'll be a while before they can fully realize their dream of self-determination. Perhaps after Turkey joins the EU in 15-20 years.

Posted by: Eric at February 20, 2006 12:07 PM

"They don’t want to evict all the Arabs. As I’ve mentioned before, Iraqi Kurds have no interest in creating an ethnic-identity state. They only want to reverse Saddam’s Arabization campaign"

Nice and noble ethnic cleansing, what a lovely bunch.

Posted by: sonic at February 20, 2006 12:33 PM

"Nice and noble ethnic cleansing, what a lovely bunch"

So I assume then that you oppose giving Serbs back homes taken by Croats & Croat homes taken by Serbs in the recent war in what used to be Yugoslavia then? Tell me oh wise Solomon, what you you do?

Posted by: Perry de Havilland at February 20, 2006 01:43 PM

Sonic also probably feels the Chinese should be allowed to remain in Tibet and Xinjian, and that Russian should be the official language of Latvia. Admittedly this is not a simple issue. Is it right that one country - Iraq, China, Russia, etc. can attempt to ethnically change a region by importing large numbers of a specific ethnic group? Is it still ethnic cleansing when you're attempting, essentially, to kick out an invader? What is the statute of limitations, when does an invader become a resident worthy of equal status? For that matter, why is it wrong for Serbs, Sunni Arabs, Chinese and Russians to move people into lands they consider rightfully theirs, but OK for Jews to move people into Palestine? I've noticed that when push comes to shove most people don't have true fixed principles on these issues - they tend to support the claim of whichever ethnic group they favor.

Posted by: Vanya at February 20, 2006 02:37 PM

This could be a very interesting discussion. Where do you draw the lines from "ethnic cleansing" to providing security to preserving a culture?

Here is an article from the Washington Post a couple of years ago describing how Rome is preventing a Chinatown from developing.

"We're trying to avoid development of ethnic neighborhoods. One ethnicity cannot dominate an entire neighborhood. There cannot be a Chinatown in Rome," said Maria Grazia Arditto, spokeswoman for the commerce adviser to the mayor and the department in charge of regulating trade in the city.

For the Chinese, the issue is one of civic and human rights. "These rules are simply discriminatory. They apply only to Esquilino and only because of the Chinese," said Daniele Wong, an Italian-born Chinese activist who has mediated with city hall over the issue. "There's an atmosphere of yellow peril hysteria in Rome."

Home owners usually have deed restrictions and zoning which can prevent certain types of people from moving into a neighborhood - and it is considered acceptable. It is a gray area which is not easily generalized into "good" or "bad." I also think that each case is unique - comparing what Israel does, to Serbia, to Russia, to China, to Kurdistan - the comparison aren't relevant to each other. You need to look at them from a case-to-case basis and look at pragmatism versus idealism and find that balance. It's not simple.

Posted by: markytom at February 20, 2006 03:15 PM

There cannot be a Chinatown in Rome

This helps explain why Europe is having, and will continue to have, a much harder time assimilating its immigrant communities than the U.S.. With the partial exception of the U.K. (and maybe to a lesser degree France), European nations define themselves through an ethnic-cultural identity. Whereas America, having long seen itself as a nation of immigrants from multiple ethnic groups, has a much more fluid identity, and thus feels less threatened by various immigrant communities, and is simultaneously confident about its ability to integrate them into a proverbial melting pot.

Posted by: Eric at February 20, 2006 03:34 PM

Some make it sound like ethnic cleansing is a bad thing.

Posted by: Kim Hartveld at February 20, 2006 03:53 PM

It is becoming clearer who Mr Totten's fans are, those who think kicking out a few hundred thousand arab people from their homes is a small price to pay for a nice pro-American state in the middle east.

Posted by: sonic at February 20, 2006 04:48 PM

Looks more like sonic hasn't really been paying attention.

Posted by: steveH at February 20, 2006 05:25 PM

So now, the definition of ethnic cleansing is asking, encouraging, and financially compensating people to leave a town where they were artificially inserted in the first place??? Hello??? I was under the assumption that the whole ethnic cleansing thing involved a lot more violence and bloodshed.

Sonic, do you oppose the idea of giving Jews back property that was taken from them in WWII? German citizens moved in to property/homes previously owned by Jews. How is telling them to leave something that wasn't even theirs to begin with "cleansing"?

Posted by: Megs at February 20, 2006 05:26 PM

ic: "Bringing stability and unity to a free Iraq will not be easy." This is realism. There is no promise to keep.

If there isn't any promise to keep, why did Bush repeatedly make it sound like a promise? For example, "We're committed to the goal of a unified Iraq..." These phrases appear hundreds of times at the White House web site.

Posted by: Greg Kuperberg at February 20, 2006 05:46 PM

Touchy lot eh, the Arabs in Kirkuk have now been compared to the Serbs, the Palestinians, Chinese people and now, of course, the Nazis (the last refuge of the scoundrel)

As for violence and bloodshed, what do you think is happening there now?

http://news.google.co.nz/news?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-29,GGLD:en&q=kirkuk&sa=N&tab=wn

A blind person can see what is happening, robbed of your fantasy that invasion and occupation would build a "democratic and free" Iraq, you now transfer that blood soaked dream to Northern Iraq, and woe betide any Arabs who may care to point out that Kirkuk is just as much their city as it is Kurdish.

Posted by: sonic at February 20, 2006 06:23 PM

It is becoming clearer who Mr Totten's fans are, those who think kicking out a few hundred thousand arab people from their homes is a small price to pay for a nice pro-American state in the middle east.--Sonic

Well I can't speak for any of the 'others', but that is not how I feel at all. I in the best of all possible worlds would very much like to see a united Iraq which began to think of itself as a 21st century Nation valuing all of its citizens.

Iraq still has that opportunity but it recedes by the day, in my jaundiced opinion. If you have the choice to move forward and instead choose voluntarily to move backwards or to stay locked in the same place, then you have to accept all the consequences of that choice. Iraq appears to be making somer seriously BAD choices as the US Ambassador pointedly reminded them today. We don't want a 'client' State --- we merely want a non-nutbar State which is not an overt threat to everyone including its own citizens.

Frankly I understand completely the attitudes highlighted here by Mr.Totten, and I am HERE not THERE.

Baghdad is thought of as the capital of a deranged foreign country.
Not only have the Kurds long dreamed of independence, when they look south they see only Islamism, Baathism, blood, fire, and mayhem.

Frankly and I personally think this is quite sad--- That viewpoint does not require exceptionally good vision at this point in time.

So yeah I guess I could be classed as believing in the Kurds, wishing them the best even at the possible expense of others, and as being grateful that they are 'pro-American'.

Considering the alternatives, this in your view , is a 'bad' thing ?

In the immortal words of Arte Johnson ---- Very Interesting ---- But Stupid!!

Posted by: dougf at February 20, 2006 06:32 PM

That's truly sad they call it the Winston Churchill. I remember reading that when the British drew the map of the Middle East, Winston was one of the lone voices for giving the Kurds their own nation.

Now that I've googled Winston and the Kurds I've discovered he authorized the use of poison gas against them, so now I understand the understandable antipathy. It's a damn shame the Brits didn't make a separate Kurdistan.

Posted by: lindenen at February 20, 2006 07:34 PM

Oh I see, Iraq is screwed up not because of sanctions, US invasion and a blood-soaked occupation, it's just those crazy Iraqis, what can you do!

You would think that after the US and Britain went to all that trouble of killing 100,000 of them they would be grateful...

Posted by: sonic at February 20, 2006 07:48 PM

100,000? Check your sources again sonic. Even with the most liberal calculations the number is "only" in the 20,000s and that includes the terrorists killed as well as the civilians killed by the terrorists. That 100,000 number has been debunked more times than you can count.

Posted by: Megs at February 20, 2006 08:07 PM

Mesopotamia, has been geographically united for the better part of 500 hundred years, since the
Ottomans took over in 1517. Part of the Kurdish
Mosul district, did go to France, was previously
part of Iran, and to the South, Kuwait, was part
on the Basra district, back in the 1700s. Iraq's
historical experience was so brief; a short spell
in the 30s punctuated by the two "Golden Square"
coups, the last in '41, than some time in the
late 40s and early 50s, culminating in the last
Nuri al said interval. Soon after the faux nasserism of Quasim, followed by the Baathist
precluded any democratic development.

Posted by: narciso at February 20, 2006 08:38 PM

I'm glad we're not getting more of the "civil war is a doomsday scenario" meme that the left has been pushing. This country went through a bitter civil war and emerged stronger than ever before. Who's to say Iraq can't do the same? Freedom is messy. There may be bloodshed and on one wants that. But there are many bumps on the road to a true democracy.

Posted by: Leonidas at February 20, 2006 09:35 PM

"Arab Christians from the south and the center of Iraq are actually given money and housing by the KRG if they move north. Insisting on a purely Kurdish region or a purely Muslim one is the last thing on the establishment’s mind. What they want is geographic federalism or sovereignty. And they need as many well-educated, competent, and trustworthy people as they can find. They don’t care about race, and they don’t care about religion. They are concerned strictly with numbers and security. It's just that some groups are more trusted than others. Arab Christians will never join an Islamist jihad, as everyone knows. And the Kurds trust Arab Christians not to join the Baath either. Arab Muslims can and do move north to Kurdistan as well, but they need approval from the KRG and they are not given incentives. "

I disagree. Kurdistan may be the most friendly ,or the less hostile, region to the Christians today, but there's still a lot of problems.

Let us not forget history: it may have been the Turks who ordered a genocide against the Christians during WWI in the region but the ones who carried it were the Kurdish tribes. At the time, the Kurds resented the economic successes of the Christians because the Christians opened themselves to Western influence and became more developped while the Kurds remained underdevelopped. With time, resentment transformed into hatred and the Ottoman Empire used that hatred to carry the genocide. And now you're telling me that the Kurds want the Christians because they are more educated? That's the Kurd version of the story. You should have checked the other version.

Kurds may be the best allies of the US, they still dislike if not hate the local Christians.

I think that you're not following the situation of the Iraqi Christian community closely enough. Not that it matters, the Assyrians are leaving what was once their country on a massive scale. But the fact is that there are widespread reports of abuse and persecutions against Assyrian Christians. In some regions, Kurds have prevented the Christians from voting and confiscated the Christian representation by stuffing the ballots with the names of their candidates.

Read a book on the history of Assyrian Christian. There's little to be happy about.

Posted by: Vox at February 20, 2006 10:56 PM

One of the main reasons the Kurds do NOT have their own nation state is that they have so often been fighting among themselves. Like most ethnic groups, they are not monolithic -- there are certainly some willing to discriminate strongly against non-Kurds.

Sonic is "correct" that there are unlikely to be any perfect solutions -- with the implied criticism of Bush's invasion meaning that non-invasion would be "better", without the honesty of saying so. (with which I disagree)

There were injustices in the past. What is justice now? It's a grey area.

The Jews were NOT allowed to immigrate peacefully into Palestine before WW II, while Arabs were. This was also unjust; and while the creation of Israel was not a fully just act, most Palestinians who left did so voluntarily, with the belief that their Arab (mostly Egyptian & Syrian) neighbors would wipe Israel off the map. From 1948-67 was almost twenty years to create a Palestinian second state next to Israel that the Arabs & Palestinians refused.

This is relevant to the Kurds how? The Kurds want democratic, and demographic, control over Kirkuk. Sonic is also correct that there is continuing violence there now; a very low level civil war. But where is the suggestion for what to do to have peace and justice? In fact, both together are impossible, and it looks unlikely to have either, soon.

Because the minority Sunnis have too much sympathy for the terrorists, and haven't been turning them in fast enough. While formerly unjustly on top, are about to be left with the oil-poor middle section of a 3-state split Iraq (what will the names of the Shiite Basra and Sunni Baghdad states be?)

Joe K had important thoughts but could be proved wrong sooner than he thinks -- when the Iraqi Kurds start making political alliance with the anti-Turkey faction in the EU. And the anti-Turkey faction pushes for letting the Turkish Kurds have "more rights" -- eventually allowing them the right to secede. Eventually meaning BEFORE Turkey can enter the EU.

I think Turkey will be in a position that the EU golden ring requires letting the Kurds decide to leave -- and they will likely want to leave to join Iraqi Kurdistan immediately.

This might not happen in time for decisive help against Iran -- so the Iranian and/or Syrian Kurdish areas, or both, might join first.

Kurdistan is a dream that won't die for some 25 million.

Not so different from the 5 million (4? plus) Slovak dream of an independent Slovakia. When, not if, the Kurds leave (declare independence), there's likely to be border problems around Kirkuk, and elsewhere.

Posted by: Tom Grey - Libertay Dad at February 20, 2006 11:41 PM

Tom,

The Kurds desperately want Turkey inside the EU. That way they will border "Europe" instead of "Turkey." Europe is friendly and Turkey is hostile. This will change the equation for them dramatically.

Also, all the Kurds in Turkey will have all the human rights guaranteed them that citizens of Britain now enjoy. This is very important to the people of Northern Iraq.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at February 21, 2006 12:17 AM

As an Iraqi Kurd, I would like to thanks Michael for coming to Kurdistan and seeing himslef how we are trying our best to rebuilt what Saddam and teh Ba'ath regime destroyed in 30 years of Ethnic cleansing.
I also want to tell the world through this website, that we have never been proud of being Iraqis. We saw nothing in Iraq but persecution, killing and infrustrucure-destruction.

We are a different race, have a different language, different culture, even different natioonal clothes. We are the people of Kurdistan. I am sure, and know, that my cousins in Turkey, Iran and Syria are also NOT proud of being parts of those countries. The Brits divided us.

We do thank the Americans for ridding us of Saddam and liberating Iraq.

Thanks America and teh Americans are always welcome to Kurdistan.

to Sonic... you are not a vicitim of Chemical weapons, we are. That is why we are crazy, and Love our liberators.

Posted by: Abdullah Dizayee at February 21, 2006 02:42 AM

Vanya:

Latvia not giving the Russian language official status and insisting that all new citizens be fluent in Latvian is rather different from Latvia putting Soviet-era migrants on cattle cars headed east.

Posted by: Randy McDonald at February 21, 2006 05:03 AM

The way the Kurds have reconciled Islam and civil government appears to offer hope for the same result in other Middle Eastern lands. Their success gives the lie (again!) to those who say the liberation of Iraq is doomed to end in Islamist fundamentalism. It's too bad one-trick ponies like sonic have to interfere with an adult discussion of these matters.

Posted by: Robert Speirs at February 21, 2006 05:23 AM

as a kurd
i am really grreatful for mister totten to go to kurdistan and talk about it
i know that his comments are from a kurdish perspective but why not
i mean some people say that what is now happening in kerkuk is ethnic cleansing ,
but i do not care about it
the arabs moved thre , they stole our land ,
they evicted the kurds fom the houses and gave them to arabs
we as kurds were forced to give up a lot if land , villages , towns , we were subject of a strong assimilation policy and if it did not work, they started to kill us by the thousands
sonic has to tell me the reason , why i as a kurd has to accept now the arabs
iz is a great oppurtunity to claim our land and we will not allow the arabs to create faits accomplis, it is our land and we will reverse it , the arabs have to be resettled into the south , and i do not care for them , the central government has to do it , but they , the arab central governments fails to support them , their problem , it will again show us how arabs are , they are cruel to themself , if we kurds fght against each others , it is always betwween the men , but they kill more women and children then men , it gives everyone an impression , how they are with others, lokk at sudan or israel
in the last elections , kurds won more votes then arab and turcomans together
some 300.000 kurds have resettled in keruk and over 100.000 arab settlers have already left and we will work to throw out the 200.000 who are left
i hope that we will start this proces in mosul, but there it is now too late , the aranbs are already in the majority
abot christians , yes it is true that kurdish tribes have killed a lot if christians but this was nt because kurds were underdeveloped , but because they supported the russians and british forces
the assyrians always failed to realize that they were in weaker position , they they think of themself and are open to attacks by others
this now history and it is time for reconcilation
that it why we support the resettlements of christians in to kurdistan ,
kurdistan is no more a tribal and feudal entity but a secular minded civil society which tries its best to get rid of honour killings , islamism, tribalism and hate against christians
our target is the united states , we want to have a society as much free and developed as america
it is not because of bush
we believe in america

Posted by: kurdo at February 21, 2006 06:19 AM

Sonic is a young New Zealander not far from his mother's side. Dealing with real life isn't one of his skills. This isn't the first thread he has trolled.

Sonic, you forget this:
http://www.minnkotamotors.com/products/motors/fw_bowmount/powerdrive.asp

Posted by: Joe at February 21, 2006 10:07 AM

wow, there is some good argumants over here. and there i see lots of intellectual minds...
i think that before one say somethin for another one, S/he shoıuld try to put herself/himself into that person shoes. so that s/he can understand a little better. and it is the same for kurds too. before you say something about us, try to think like us, try to look at things from our perspective then you will understand us a lot more...and you will start to admire and appreciate the kurds...

thanks

xelef botan

Posted by: xelef at February 21, 2006 11:41 AM

Michael,

I don't thinks it's fair to characterize Mam Jalal as belonging "to the 1.3 percent of Iraqi Kurds who want to stay connected to Baghdad."

The Kurdish leadership has a strategy for getting everything they want. Remaining part of Iraq right now is the only way to get back Kirkuk, receive external funds for Kurdish reconstruction, develop good relations with neighboring countries, prevent war, and prevent becoming a terror target.

Not declaring independence now does not mean they are out of step with the Kurdish people. It's a matter of timing.

They can't declare independence right now, anyway. Turkish troops are sitting in Kurdistan near Zakho right now. Declaring independence would destroy everything they've managed to build in the last few years.

Posted by: lebanon.profile at February 21, 2006 11:59 AM

If I was running the show the kurds are the only horse I would be backing. If the US screws them to try to make arabs happy that would be one of the greatest black marks in our history. I am a simpleton but it always seems to me that making allies with people who are friendly toward you and see benefit from that alliance is a no brainer. The shiite think they can run their own gig and the sunni see us as raining on their parade and ruining their racket. Neither have shown the character in my opinion that warrants trust. I am not projecting any noble savage virtue on the kurds but they deserve better than what they have gotten saddled with arab iraq.

Posted by: geaux at February 21, 2006 01:29 PM

Tom,

After this winter's riots, and now the Cartoon Jihad... the EU letting Turkey in under any conditions borders on fantasy. They will continue to extend the invitation publicly, amused as the Turks jump through hooops - but watch "complications" behind the scenes make it impossible to close the deal.

Gotta say, though, what you suggest would be a good strategy for the Kurds to pursue. Even if things never work out for Turkey, the campaign of EU pressure gets them sympathetic (if ineffectual in a crunch) allies and potential markets.

Sometimes in politics, it isn't necessary to fully succeed in order to come out ahead.

Which, come to think of it, is probably a good summation of Talabani's credo.

Posted by: Joe Katzman at February 21, 2006 03:26 PM

Mr. Totten,
I would like to thank you for your journals about Iraqi Kurdistan. I am an Iraqi Kurd and I am really greatfull for what you do. However, a person like you should not be biased. What you wrote about Talabani is not true, only the small precent that you mentioned "1.3" of Kurds love him, and just to let you know he did not lead the "the militarily successful fight against Saddam Hussein" he was too busy kissing Saddam, I have prove for that. Moreover, what you wrote about President Barzani is really disappointing, he spent all this life, from childhood, serving the Kurds and fighting Iraqi government. For your information, while Barzani was busy fighting the enemy, Talabani was in Baghdad and planning how to destroy Kurdish rebellion, I have prove for that and I would be glad to share it with you. Not only Iraqi Kurds, but Kurds in other part of the world conisder Barzani as their president. You said that Talabani " is busy in Baghdad trying to hammer out the best federalism bargain the Kurds could ever hope for." Well, may I ask you how you came up with this, or where did you get this information? If it is not for president Barzani, Talabani never believed in federalism for Iraq, and he has been trying to compromise on federalism and even Kerkuk issue, but President Barzani did not let him do so, again, I have prove for that. So please since you are doing this marvelous job, do it with responsibility and follow the ethics of journalism. Thank you.

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The Kurdish people are a pro western community and we in west should defend their rights to build a state in their home land.They need us today and we need them tomorrow.

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