11:13 A.M. - Plaquemines Parish...if you are found on the street...will be arrested. Marshall law in effect.

It may be marshall law but its not martial law.

I haven’t been able to discover who declared martial law in the city. It certainly was not President Bush. Was it Louisiana’s governor? It’s hard to see how anyone civil official lower than the governor could have done it, because no official lower than a governor actually has any troops to command. I think it’s also possible that no official with the authority to declare martial law has actually done so, at least not in the true legal sense. It may be that the term is being used as a shorthand way of saying that civil order will be energetically, even ruthlessly, enforced by civil police and National Guard troops. I’m guessing also that the governor has empowered ordinary Guard soldiers to make arrests and has authorized Guard units to hold offenders prisoner without quickly turning them over to civil police.

http://www.donaldsensing.com/index.php/2005/08/30/more-on-new-orleans-martial-law/

Posted by: jrdroll at August 30, 2005 02:23 PM

http://www.wdsu.com/news/4915310/detail.html

"Nearby, looters ripped open the steel gates from the front of stores on Canal Street.

They filled industrial-sized garbage cans with clothing and jewelry and floated them down the street on bits of plywood and insulation.

WDSU-TV reported that martial law was declared in some parts of New Orleans Tuesday morning.

The declaration is imposed to restore order in times of war and emergency."

http://uspolitics.about.com/b/a/198141.htm

Three New Orleans TV stations report martial law has been imposed; however, no story attributes this to an official (one says "state officials"). Neither the governor's web site nor the mayor's web site indicate a state of martial law. However, the Jefferson Parish web site is not responding. (Note: all parish government units appear to have Flash-driven web sites! Maybe Katrina will strike a blow for web site accessibility?)

Posted by: sean at August 30, 2005 02:58 PM

"We're talking about in essence having-- in the continental United States-- having a refugee camp of a million people," van Heerden said.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/D8C9RAEO0.html

how long before the Left starts blaming Bush, Haliburton, and the jooos.

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Posted by: dcb at August 30, 2005 05:06 PM

Carlos: ...and the jooos

Why do you keep saying it like that? Commentariate form of a speech impediment or something? Or is it witty?

I eagerly anticipate the day when a topic comes along that you can address without first speculating on what the left will think of it. But I'm not holding my breath, because I'd have been sure that a tragedy of this magnitude would have surely evoked an initial remark about the terribleness of it all before the feeble thrust at the left. Alas, no.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at August 30, 2005 05:17 PM

Be patient with people who can't spell 'martial.' They're doing that on the WWLT website too... They have their minds on other things tonight

Posted by: Cridland at August 30, 2005 05:41 PM

I eagerly anticipate the day when a topic comes along that you can address without first speculating on what the left will think of it. But I'm not holding my breath, because I'd have been sure that a tragedy of this magnitude would have surely evoked an initial remark about the terribleness of it all before the feeble thrust at the left.---DPU

I agree with you. Without reservation. This is a tragedy that should be addressed on a purely 'human' level. How in the world can THIS be political?

BUT--- perhaps you could spare a bit of outrage for the ass***** at the Huffington Post (that sinkhole of 'leftist' insanity who as per usual are engaging in their habitual dementia. In this case another bit of drivel from a useless Kennedy(is there really any other type?).

A partial highlight--

Now we are all learning what it’s like to reap the whirlwind of fossil fuel dependence which Barbour and his cronies have encouraged. Our destructive addiction has given us a catastrophic war in the Middle East and--now--Katrina is giving our nation a glimpse of the climate chaos we are bequeathing our children.
In 1998, Republican icon Pat Robertson warned that hurricanes were likely to hit communities that offended God. Perhaps it was Barbour’s memo that caused Katrina, at the last moment, to spare New Orleans and save its worst flailings for the Mississippi coast.

And the full insanity for your perusal should you have a strong stomach.

Fools-R-Us.The Left Helps Out In A Crisis.

I think that Carlos should have resisted the temptation to be petty, but it's such a STRONG temptation given the provocation.

Posted by: dougf at August 30, 2005 05:42 PM

How in the world can THIS be political?

dougf, DPU,

Because I know how Lefties think and they aren't hard to figure out. I am a prophet and a sage when it comes to the mind of Lefties:

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. blames Katrina on the GOP

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/afor-they-that-sow-the-_b_6396.html

Charming, aren't they?

Posted by: Carlos at August 30, 2005 06:32 PM

What does God have anything to do with this? This is the result of years of Republican neglect and Bush's illegal war that took resources away from a potential disaster such as this. Nice going Shrub, now you have more blood on your hands.

Posted by: Progressive Max at August 30, 2005 07:05 PM

The sad thing is, I don't know if Max means it or not. (The Shrub thing makes me think he does.) Sigh.

Posted by: Mark Poling at August 30, 2005 07:08 PM

Bobby Kennedy was the first politician I ever really responded to, and I remember when I was 16 being absolutely devastated when he was assassinated. And at a later I looked very hard into the conspiracy theories, both regarding RFK and Sirhan and the much more complex case of the death of JFK.

But the next generation of Kennedys have not, so far as I can tell, proven themselves the sharpest knives in the drawer.

I talk about this because I really don't have any comment on yet another example, like the tsunami a while back, of force majeure.

Posted by: Todd Grimson at August 30, 2005 07:11 PM

The sad thing is, I don't know if Max means it or not.

I know what you mean. It's hard to tell parody from Lefty sometimes.

Robert Kennedy epitomizes the "limousine Liberal" elitist, who can fly around in his learjet AND blame the GOP for global warming. Hannity asked him about it, and Kennedy did what so many Lefties do under hard questioning-- he changed the subject.

Posted by: Carlos at August 30, 2005 07:29 PM

Do we have to argue about politics right now?

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at August 30, 2005 07:44 PM

Preferably not. Sorry for participating. Besides sending a check to the Salvation Army, though, don't know much to do. But finger pointing probably is counter-productive.

Posted by: Mark Poling at August 30, 2005 07:50 PM

Sorry Michael, it wasn't my intention to get into a full blown argument about it.

Posted by: dcb at August 30, 2005 08:21 PM

On another website, I saw somebody suggest that yes, New Orleans should rebuild... but not in the same way. He had three possible ideas:

1. Rebuild the historic areas (apparently the French Quarter is a National Park!) and move the rest of the town elsewhere, perhaps to the north shore of Lake P. Feasibility: not so much— while NO may not be particularly liveable right now, that's nearly half a million people to relocate, and most of them won't want to move.

2. Just move the town and open the levees. Same objections as above.

3. Redesign New Orleans as an American Venice. Drive pilings down to bedrock, create canals, and make the major thoroughfares the waterways. Then you can open the levees and stop the sinking of the city (since the silt will be deposited there rather than the Gulf.) The guy got very interested in this option, because he has worked in city planning and creating something like this would be fun.

At any rate, it will be interesting to see where it goes from here. I hope that the cleanup can be as fast and safe as possible.

Posted by: B. Durbin at August 30, 2005 08:44 PM

I was in Houston during Allison in 2001 - it was awful. Areas that had never flooded were in 10 feet of water. Several friends lost everything. Katrina looks to be a magnitude worse. Hard to imagine. I really feel for the people in Katrina's wake. I hope everyone pitches in one way or another to help. I know I will.

Posted by: markytom at August 30, 2005 08:51 PM

I've been to NO three times, always on vacation, but it strikes me that New Orleans as a theme park just won't work. Sorry, she's blue collar (or whatever) at her core.

OTOH, the same feeling makes me think the natives have it in them to rebuild and make the whole irrational thing sing again.

I know its corny, but hell's bells, spend an evening at Tipitina's (warehouse district, natch) and anything looks possible.

Looking forward to my fourth trip.

Posted by: Mark Poling at August 30, 2005 09:04 PM

“I was in Houston during Allison in 2001 - it was awful. Areas that had never flooded were in 10 feet of water.”

“ 3:43 P.M. - Senator Vitter: New Orleans will "absolutely" be rebuilt.”

I also live in Houston. Allison 2001 was an aberration---and we have taken effective measures to severely limit the possibility of a reoccurrence. This is not the situation in New Orleans. The city is located below sea level! It’s time to stop the nonsense and encourage its residents to find another place to live. Who is suppose to “absolutely” rebuild New Orleans? Why do so when the same tragedy will likely happen again in less than thirty years?

Posted by: David Thomson at August 30, 2005 09:10 PM

Hey David, Venice fell into the sea centuries ago. It's people that keep (or don't keep) a city alive. We'll see, but my money is on New Orleans being around long after I'm gone.

Posted by: Mark Poling at August 30, 2005 09:15 PM

Mark,

Venice's days are numbered too:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/09/02/italy.venice.reut/

Posted by: Carlos at August 30, 2005 09:26 PM

I am a native of New Orleans and am now a refugee. My family made it to Tupelo, Mississippi, and we are going to probably travel to family down in Southern Florida. I have no idea when I see my home again, and what will be left of it.

I wish martial law was declared in New Orleans as of late Sunday so the Natioanl Guard could show up and shoot the rioters wherever they reared their ugly heads...I wish that we could take every rioter and hang them from the remaining lamp posts..or take a syringe and inject them with the fetid water collecting in New Orleans.

David> New Orleans is one of the most unique cities in America. I admit that it is vulnerbale, but there are very few places with the flavor and character that New Orleans has.

Where else in America (or the world really) can you find friendly, fun loving Frenchies :)

Posted by: Green Baron at August 30, 2005 11:20 PM

Hopefully someone, somewhere in the US govt will now wake up to the real dangers of global warming. They are a pretty insular lot these oil men, but eventually it effects everyone.

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Posted by: Caroline at August 31, 2005 04:21 AM

Though the destruction is immense, it's important to remember that a city is almost impossible to destroy. They're like the cockroaches of human habitation.

We bombed London, Berlin, Coventry, and Hamburg. We firebombed Dresden and Tokyo. We dropped nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Stalingrad and Leningrad were meatgrinders. Earthquakes have leveled San Fransisco. All of these are still functioning, thriving cities. I can think of a handful of cities that have actually been destroyed and abandoned - Carthage, Troy, whatever was there before Venice was built (Venice was originally a swamp where the inhabitants of a nearby city took refuge when barbarians destroyed their homes). New Orleans will change, but I doubt it will be gone forever.

Oh, and politicizing the event? Real classy, folks. Tom Grey did it a few posts back, blaming environmentalists for not backing a higher gas tax (???) and now Carlos can read minds. Good job, jackasses. Oh, your defense is that the Huffington folks did it first? You just defended your actions by claiming that someone you hate did it first. Congratulations, you're now on the same level of asshattery that they are. The problems of New Orleans are not the fault of political ideology, but rather the result of a chain of events which no one foresaw.

People wanted to expand the city, so they drained the swamps. So the city sank. Woops! People living on the Mississippi didn't want to get flooded, so they built levees, which caused the barrier islands around New Orleans to dissapear. Woops! Now the city is screwed. It would cost billions to rebuild the islands, and no one wanted to foot the bill - not the city, not the state, not the feds. So, now the entire country will foot the bill of a destroyed city, with its loss of life, property, commerce, and the costs of cleanup, rebuilding, insurance, and taking care of the homeless and injured. That's not political, that's simply human nature. We build levees now to protect our homes without realizing that in 50 or 100 years, someone else might lose their home 200 miles away. We all know there's a problem, but everyone wants to free ride and no one wants to pay the bill. Well, now we're going to pay the bill. It's just the way our system, and our minds, work - shortsightedly.

Posted by: The Commenter at August 31, 2005 06:42 AM

David Thompson: Who is suppose to “absolutely” rebuild New Orleans? How about the same people that rebuilt Houston?

and we have taken effective measures to severely limit the possibility of a reoccurrence. Like what? Not that much of the infrastructure has changed. One change I know of is that hospitals, theatres, etc., decided not to store expensive equipment in basements anymore. The areas that were flooded have been rebuilt, not abandoned. The Houston neighborhood I live in had a four inch in one hour rain last month and the streets were completely impassable for hours - and I don't live in a flood plain (except that pretty much all of Houston is in a flood plain). From usacitiesonline.com "Houston elevation is 0-90 feet above sea level." Not all that different from New Orleans. If Katrina had hit Houston the city would have been devastated.

You seem to show no compassion for the people of New Orleans, Biloxi, Mobile, etc. Strange, especially after so many public funds and private donations were used to repair and rebuild Houston.

Posted by: markytom at August 31, 2005 07:18 AM

OThe problems of New Orleans are not the fault of political ideology, but rather the result of a chain of events which no one foresaw.

Commenter,

I agree.

So I can only assume you're just mad at me because your Lefty buddies blame hurricanes and earthquakes on Bush and the CIA, and I committed the sin of pointing that out and giving you the evidence to prove it.

Posted by: Carlos at August 31, 2005 07:58 AM

“If Katrina had hit Houston the city would have been devastated.”

Houston would never get hit that hard---it is too far inland. Allison 2001 was a fluke. This was the first time anything like that had occurred in over 100 years. New Orleans is far more vulnerable and such incidents happen every 20-30 years. Houston is similar to the driver who is driving the speed limit and is involved in a traffic accident. New Orleans reminds one of a driver going down the highway 120 miler per hour while drinking a bottle of beer! We must distinguish between prudent and imprudent behavior.

I am advocating that most citizens of New Orleans move elsewhere. It seems that most will do so anyway. If nothing else, it will take months to even partially rebuild New Orleans. Until then, people will reside in awful conditions. My guess is that Texas’ population will get much larger.

Posted by: David Thomson at August 31, 2005 08:08 AM

I was wondering how it would take people on here to work denunciations of "The Left" into discussion of the hurricance. The answer was "the third post."

Posted by: Stephen Silver at August 31, 2005 08:13 AM

No, Carlos, I'm annoyed, and I'm annoyed because you made an ass of yourself.

"Hey! Don't criticize me for doing something wrong - some other asshole is also doing it!"

Um, doesn't that mean that you're, you know, both assholes?

Yep. That about sums it up.

PS - Righties, like our resident Tom Grey, blamed this on environmentalists, who apparently weren't environmental or lefty enough for him, since they didn't support a higher gas tax thoroughly enough. You have a perfect example, then, of both sides politicizing a nonpolitical event. Yet, you decided to politicize it - by only going after one side for politicizing it. You meta-politicized it! Which, as far as I'm concerned, means you're a meta-asshat.

Posted by: The Commenter at August 31, 2005 08:39 AM

Stephen,

are you too of the thinking that pointing out Lefty nuttery is just as bad (or worse) as the actual Lefty nuttery itself? Forgive me if your outrage seems a tad hollow. And as with almost everything that happens anywhere in the world, Kos uses Hurricane Katrina as another opportunity to bash George Bush:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/31/1442/53877

Posted by: Carlos at August 31, 2005 08:39 AM

Clue up Benjamin,

Cat 4 hurricanes have little to do with global warming. We have documented plenty of occurrences of Cat 3-5 hurricanes since the 1800s. Hurricane activity is on a multidecade cycle and we have come out of lull in hurricane activity in the last 10 years.

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