August 18, 2005

The Left's Terri Schiavo

My views on Cindy Sheehan are posted over at Donklephant.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at August 18, 2005 10:43 AM
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Like Schiavo, Sheehan is a good example of how both Parties' willingness to pander to their bases continues to disgust the center (or maybe better "non-party affiliates") and make us increasingly cynical about the political process. I think both sides are convinced they're winning - the Left thinks they've shown that Bush is heartless, the Right thinks America is convinced that Sheehan is a kook. Actually both sides are once again losing in the eyes of most of us. Most Americans understand that Bush is the President and is understandably reluctant to create a precedent of meeting every grieving mother/father/second cousin whatever. And most Americans believe that Sheehan is sincere and truly distraught. The lack of compassion on the Right is as disturbing as the Bush vitriol on the Left. But I guess being reasonable never sold any papers or attracted readers to a blog.

Posted by: vanya at August 18, 2005 11:22 AM

I guess all media circuses around tragic figures do have some things in common. I agree with much of what you say; however, I respectfully disagree with your conclusion about what Bush should do. To cave in to what amounts to emotional blackmail by a person who would not be open to anything he would do at this point, however kindly and humane, would constitute positive reinforcement for Ms. Sheehan's psychodrama, and would open himself up to all sorts of similar pressure in the future.

I myself have a great deal of sympathy for Sheehan's loss. But I feel there are also a great many psychological, historical, and even generational underpinnings to this story that I tried to explore here.

Posted by: neo-neocon at August 18, 2005 11:39 AM

Michael,

Just what do expect the outcome wouuld be in the media from a face-to-face meeting on camera between Cindy and the President? I see an endless running of the 3-second clip with Wolf Blitzer repeating all of the claims of Sheehan's view of the Iraq war. It would be a PR disaster for George W.

Another question.. Do you think that Sheehan would ever consent to an off camera meeting with George W.? I tend to think that she is such a camera hog that all she wants is to denounce the President's policies to his face with all of the cameras and lights on.

Posted by: Alasdair Robinson at August 18, 2005 11:46 AM

Michael:

Mrs. Sheehan has the right to handle her grief and to express her politics in any manner that she likes, the right of every American citizen. Her sorrow is real and her loss is tragic. Her relations with her family should be kept out of the discussion. But her grief and loss should not protect her from people commenting on her political views and her political solutions. This idea that anyone that comments on her politics, and this should not include her family situation, is being rude or insensitive is bunk.

She has decided to take a active role in the political argument about the war, and she has decided to be one of the spokespersons for her group of likeminded political activists. Once again this is her right. But if she is going to imply that OBL didn't attack America and that it was part of some Neo-Con plot then she deserves the same treatment that anyone else who peddles that conspiracy theory.She has the right to that opinion but she should not be shielded from ridicule because of her personel loss. The death of her Son is used, by her supporters and by herself, to give her argument more weight and they have made him a part of their political PR campaign. They can't at the same time say "This is a grieving mother, leave her alone".

As far as her request to "talk and ask questions" of President Bush she is not just requesting a talk. She wants it to be in public and it is part of her political strategy.It is not a simple personel request by a grieving mother. It is part of her political strategy. She has called Bush a murderer and a liar. She will not believe a word that Bush says unless he says "Yes, I had all the American soldiers killed in Iraq so that I could enrich my Daddy and his buddies". If he doesn't say that she is going to call him a murderer and a liar. And if Bush did this for her she would still continue her crusade. She believes strongly in her views of the war and they are the opposite of what President Bush strongly believes. They will never agree so their will be no constructive dialouge in their meeting. It will simply be a one person calling the President a liar and a murderer and the President saying, as he did in their first meeting, that he is sorry for her loss and that he could never know how she feels but that he feels that her son died for freedom. She will tell Bush he died for his oil buddies. This is not a talk. This is great political theatre and a weird edition of "Crossfire." Bush has met with 900 relatives of our fallen heroes and some have taken him to task. Originally she thought Bush had treated her with kindness and now she has changed her mind about their fist meeting. That's her right. But the notion that she deserves a second session that is part of her political agenda is a bit much.

Posted by: kevinpeters at August 18, 2005 12:10 PM

Cindy Sheehan has been driven insane by the death of her son. I pity her and sincerely hope she recovers and quickly.

President Bush is doing the right thing by ignoring her. Were he to meet her face-to-face I would be shocked if she didn't slap him in the face, literally.

He has everything to lose and nothing to gain by meeting her again.

Posted by: too many steves at August 18, 2005 12:27 PM

Under no circumstances should the President talk to this person again. Whether she has been 'driven' insane or was latently insane beforehand is now hardly relevant. She is not the only loved one who has lost a part of themselves in this conflict. Her pain is no greater than thousands of others.

Her cause is faulty; many of her supporters are the usual suspects; and the media have created this unfortunate circus to suit their own twisted interests. She is not a victim of GWB. She is a victim of herself,and of her media 'friends', Once they become bored with her, her moment of greatness will be over.

As many have said, in WW2 would the whole system have revolved around some demented woman who decided to camp outside FDR's property, because her son had been killed in the Pacific ? Not a chance, but at that time the media actually WANTED its country to succeed. They would have known she was temporarily 'non compos mentis',and simply refused to cover the revolting spectacle. Instead we get this farce. Now they use her to advance their personal decayed agendas.

An artificial PR exercise tugging on plastic heart strings in a perfect demonstration of the 15 minutes of fame scenario. How many will even recognise her name by this time next year ?

This is not heartrending; it is merely tawdry and base.

The decent thing is not to indulge the sickness; the decent thing is to ignore the whole thing.

Posted by: dougf at August 18, 2005 01:01 PM

Wow. I can't believe this woman is still in the news.
Oh wait, yes I can.
Bush and the Jews killed her son and that's GOOD copy!
The real story here isn't her, her dead son, her grief, her politics, her family and their disassociation with her, or anything to do with her. The real story here is the coverage of her by the MSM. What is their angle on all of this? Why are they so interested in this story? Would they be covering this story if she was a mother who lost a son in Iraq and who was camped out in front of the president's home because she supported the war and wanted everybody to know it? This dead horse gets beaten because the story fits the MSM agenda of anti-war and anti-Bush. But hey, it's their newpapers and news programs and they'll do what they want. My question would be: How're those revenues doing for you? Are reader and viewer participation up or are you circling the bowl? How's your reputation doing? Do you care? When journalists are ranked under lawyers and used car salesmen, you have to wonder: are they wrong or is the audience?

Posted by: Swede at August 18, 2005 01:15 PM

dougf,

Ignoring Sheehan would be the correct tactic. Unfortunately both sides have given this far more attention than it deserves. The Right has devoted, if anything, even more ink and airtime to this non-event than the Left. I assume the calculation is that Sheehan(and her supporters even more so) is so extreme she will be a handy stick to bash anyone who is not gung-ho about the way this administration has managed the war effort.

Posted by: vanya at August 18, 2005 01:20 PM

I think vanya makes an excellent point. This story gained a lot more traction once the right started in on Sheehan. Had they ignored her she woudl have still been news perhaps, but relegated to page A20, or after the second commercial on TV.

Posted by: Dave Ruddell at August 18, 2005 01:35 PM
Both women are (or in Terri’s case, were) emotional lightning rods for polarizing politics.

Schiavo was sentenced to death by the State on the second hand opinions of "friends". Ms. Sheehan may be grief stricken but is alive and able to conduct a media circus for the White House press corps. Apples and oranges Michael.

Posted by: jrdroll at August 18, 2005 01:37 PM

Michael, are you suggesting that we kill Cindy Sheehan? :0

Posted by: Mike#3or4 at August 18, 2005 01:51 PM

Cindy Sheehah has given aid and comfort to the enemy.

As a traitor to this fine country, she deserves nothing less than to be stood before a military firing squad and executed.

Posted by: Conservabastard at August 18, 2005 04:50 PM

Cindy has packed it in and headed for LA to nurse her mother (she just had a stroke.) I suspect this is all we're going to see of the poor thing.

Posted by: Richard Bennett at August 18, 2005 04:54 PM

I'm pretty sure "Conservabastard" is a left-wing troll pretending to be a right-wing troll, but it makes no difference. He, she, or it has been banned. The IP address is blocked.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at August 18, 2005 04:54 PM

Well, I guess you had to say something. feh.

I'll be thinking about the significance of all this when I take my physical next week. Not.

Posted by: Seb at August 18, 2005 07:03 PM

Michael...

Yep, you managed to say exactly what needed to be said. It's easily the most sane commentary on the whole thing I've read yet. Kudos.

Oh, and another thing: You wield your IP-address blocking power with the brute force of a dictatorial madman. I love it. :)

Posted by: Grant McEntire at August 18, 2005 08:57 PM

I would argue that the person who should be listened to is Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who has blasted both Canada (for allowing Shariah law in family court) and Bush (for allowing the same in the Iraqi Constitution).

SHE has risked so much (and suffered in her own horrible way) plus she has something that is responsive to the situation.

Quite apart from everything else, Sheehan advocates running away in Afghanistan and Iraq, just as bin Laden predicted and referenced in Somalia in his 1996 Declaration of War. Such a course of action would lead to the slaughter of trade unionists, teachers, doctors, lawyers, women's rights advocates, as Abu al-Zarqawi turns the country into a Charnel House for bin Laden, and Osama has Iraq's oil for his terror.

Bangladesh had over a hundred bombs go off at the same time, many of them targeting the Microloans programs who help women in that poor country. THAT my friends is what we are fighting.

Retreat and neo-isolationism (Sheehan, Pat Buchanon, David Duke etc) are no solution. What is the solution? Measured and forceful actions like Ali reccomends in yesterday's WSJ, and the will to stand with progressive elements in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. Not warmed over sixties rhetoric.

What is truly sad is how bankrupt the Dems are in understanding/mastering National Security that they are left to this circus sideshow (instead of say, upping the ante FDR-style). How sad for my Party.

Posted by: Jim Rockford at August 18, 2005 10:01 PM

Bush should not go to her. He should simply invite her to the ranch for a private meeting.

Then she can refuse and look bad or can agree and they can have a discussion without any media present...why should she need the meeting to be filmed?

I suspect she would reject the offer and then she would look bad.

Also, if she did agree, I would secretly tape the meeting in case she came out of it and said some BS.

Posted by: Aaron at August 19, 2005 01:31 AM

Great column, Totten. It reminded me of the lyrics to a very old song by a group called Buffalo Springfield. They went something like:

"What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down "

I don't know about your conclusion, though, that Bush should bite the bullet and meet with this woman. I would only agree under one condition: that Bush bring along a grieving Iraqi woman and a Grieving Afghani woman. Both women who lost a son to this war, but who are nevertheless grateful for their liberation. This would be a brilliant stroke. A meeting of these woman would certainly change a lot of people's minds.

Posted by: Kay Hoog at August 19, 2005 01:39 AM

(Is that comment spam or what above??? Isn't there some black list or RAID or something to stop it?)

Fine article, Michael -- I thought a meeting with other mothers, like Kay Hoog, might be good. I have some other ideas too, if W decides to try it.

It can only be done in the context of his further justification for the war, and explaining, more clearly, why we are there, what we hope to achieve, and what is up to the Iraqis to achieve, or not (Iraqi women rights?). A major pro-war explanation speech.

Best AFTER the Iraqis agree on a Constitution -- a big progress step, now a week late already.

Posted by: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad at August 19, 2005 12:19 PM

Michael:

Edmund Morris recently provided a sympathetic analysis on why the President has to avoid being sucked dry by emotional vampires, like Sheehan. I think that it stands as an effective rebuttal to your opinion, as I don't think that you provide a principled rationale for where Bush can draw the line once he's agreed to meet with Sheehan again.

Posted by: SWLiP at August 19, 2005 01:34 PM

There can be nothing good to come from another meeting with Bush and Sheenan. Neither politically or emotionally.

Mrs. Sheenan will not be happy regardless of what Bush says, I would wager very large sums of money that such a meeting would be highly distructive to her. If he says what he has been publicaly saying (and I personally thinks he believes it) then he is a lieing bastard once more and is feeding a grieving woman more lies and will deserve some really harsh punishment. If he says what she claims she wants him to say then it will be proof that he is Evil and deserves some harsh punishment. She has, at this point, set him up to be the consuming reason for her sons death against everything - another meeting will not change that. I could highly imagine her attempt physical violence at such a meeting.

Politically, he would have to walk a VERY narrow line, if one even exists. Trying to counter her with "pro-war mothers" would be seen as harsh (not sure if I agree on that, but I think it would be the perception) and trying to console her would simply send her into hysterics and would make him appear harsh. If she did attempt physical violence then it will go down VERY bad.

There is nothing to do but let her do her own thing. At this point she is something like one of the insanely jealous stalkers, a sinlge idea consumes them to the point that nothing else matters.

As to posters above talking about "non-caring conservatives" and other people wanting to give her carte blanche because she has lost a son, lets do a small mental game and see how far that goes (that is, lets see if you really believe the greiving mother part or are sympathetic with her claims). Lets say that Mrs Smith's son dies in Iraq tomorrow during a raid on a weapons storage facility. Mrs Smith decides that the anti-war crowd is responsible for this, if they had been in support of the war then this would have been over now. As such she camps out in front of Kerry's mansions and carrys signs reading "Anti-war left are traitors", "Nuke the middle east", "Exile all protestors", "Democrats are murderers", and other such signs. Would you still say what you do above? Would you still think "Ooh, greiving mother, lets hear what she has to say and think about it - maybe she has a point because of her suffering", or "Can't criticise her, that is not caring or unfeeling". For some reason, I have a strong suspicion that there would be none of that type of thinking from the left.

Posted by: strcpy at August 19, 2005 01:45 PM

strcpy:

You are asking the anti-war crowd to have logical and consistent standards, which they do not seem to have or even think that they are required. The latest "chickenhawk" attack is why didn't the Bush twins join the army. Sen. Clinton and Kerry have announced that the war In Afghanistan was a proper thing to do. Are they attacking the two Senators because chelsea and the Kerry daughters did not sign up for military service? Of course not, they are democrats so they have a different set of standards. So even though your argument is perfect they would have no problem rejecting it out of hand.

Posted by: kevinpeters at August 19, 2005 02:04 PM

I have hardly paid any attention whatsoever to this drama, trusting that I would, in my everyday journey around the blogosphere, accidentally stumble upon someone who had their head on straight. And I did. Bruce Thornton - the only other commentator at Victor Hanson's site, hits the nail on the head, as he has before:

misery breeds anger not wisdom

"This obsession with the emotional drama of suffering is particularly dangerous in a democracy that depends on its citizens to make decisions based on the best information and the most coherent understanding of principle that they can muster, a process that the fog of emotion and sentiment compromises. The fact is, as hard as it may sound, the sufferer or the victim isn't necessarily smarter or even more moral than anybody else. On the contrary, the overwhelming emotion of loss and grief are likely to blind one to the facts and principles upon which public policy and action should be based.

This is precisely the assumption that governs the selection of juries. If a drunk driver is on trial, only incompetence allows on the jury someone who has lost a loved one to a drunk driver. Everyone assumes that such a person will be prejudiced by his personal experience and blinded by emotion, and thus less capable of rationally evaluating the facts and coming to a just decision based on evidence and argument."

Posted by: Caroline at August 19, 2005 03:32 PM

Debbie Argel Bastian watched her son, Capt. Derek Argel, killed in Iraq, be buried at Arlington National Cemetery and is upset that a cross bearing his name has been erected by Veterans for Peace at Santa Barbara’s Arlington West memorial and a display outside President Bush’s Texas ranch, where Gold Star mother Cindy Sheehan continues to protest against President Bush.

Ms. Bastian has asked VFP to remove her son’s name from their displays, but they refused.
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would only agree under one condition: that Bush bring along a grieving Iraqi woman and a Grieving Afghani woman. Both women who lost a son to this war, but who are nevertheless grateful for their liberation. This would be a brilliant stroke. A meeting of these woman would certainly change a lot of people's minds.

Posted by Kay Hoog at August 19, 2005 01:39 AM

You are too late and Iraqi woman did go to Crawford to thank Mrs. Sheehan for Casey Sheehan's sacrifice and tell her, that her son did not die in vain for no reason.

Want to guess how she was received?

Posted by: Dan Kauffman at August 19, 2005 05:40 PM

"You are asking the anti-war crowd to have logical and consistent standards, which they do not seem to have or even think that they are required."

I know, but here is the thing. If you argue on the internet you need to for at least one of two reasons. First is that you enjoy it, second is to talk to the undecideds. I would extend this out into real life also - that chances of convincing Believers is pretty much nil. A third, much less common reason, can be if "your side" (I use quotes because that means so many things to so many people - I don't mean "rah rah" like a football game where you just picked one side and support them fully, they can be on your side because you came to a rational decision that this action is correct and not even support those people in other actions) is missing something and you would like to point that bit of logic out.

I say what I did above mostly because I enjoy the verbal ping pong, seeing how the anti-war wiggle around thier own logic (and seeing what they can not). Until closer to an election cycle, when the undecideds start reading again, it will be mostly my drive for posting. I also want to particpate, even if at a very muted level, in any community I regularly read. If someone sitting on the fence reads what I write and that speaks to them, so much the better.

"The latest "chickenhawk" attack is why didn't the Bush twins join the army."

Yea, that one seems even more dumbfounding to me - how can he force his daughters to join the military or keep them from it. Why didn't Mrs. Sheenen force her son not to join then? Because they can't force them to do, or not to do, anything.

Posted by: strcpy at August 20, 2005 12:40 AM

According to Dana Milbank of the Washington Post (you know, that arch conservative mouthpiece for the VRWC), Cindy Sheehan was an extreme antiwar activist long before this. She is just using her son in death to advance an agenda he rejected in life. Shame on her.

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