July 07, 2005

An Open Letter to Terrorists

From the London News Review.

What the fuck do you think you're doing?

This is London. We've dealt with your sort before. You don't try and pull this on us.

Do you have any idea how many times our city has been attacked? Whatever you're trying to do, it's not going to work.

All you've done is end some of our lives, and ruin some more. How is that going to help you? You don't get rewarded for this kind of crap.

And if, as your MO indicates, you're an al-Qaeda group, then you're out of your tiny minds.

Because if this is a message to Tony Blair, we've got news for you. We don't much like our government ourselves, or what they do in our name. But, listen very clearly. We'll deal with that ourselves. We're London, and we've got our own way of doing things, and it doesn't involve tossing bombs around where innocent people are going about their lives.

And that's because we're better than you. Everyone is better than you. Our city works. We rather like it. And we're going to go about our lives. We're going to take care of the lives you ruined. And then we're going to work. And we're going down the pub.

So you can pack up your bombs, put them in your arseholes, and get the fuck out of our city.
Posted by Michael J. Totten at July 7, 2005 12:05 PM
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Hear, hear.

Posted by: TallDave at July 7, 2005 12:09 PM

All you've done is end some of our lives, and ruin some more. How is that going to help you? You don't get rewarded for this kind of crap.

You do in Spain. And according to Georgous George Galloway, you do in the UK as well.

Just saying.

Posted by: dougf at July 7, 2005 12:23 PM

"Because if this is a message to Tony Blair, we've got news for you. We don't much like our government ourselves, or what they do in our name. But, listen very clearly. We'll deal with that ourselves."

Notice this Brit makes no mention of these terrorists as "minutemen" or "freedom fighters", etc. Here you have a perfect example of how dissenters can disagree with their government without trying to "understand the terrorists" or offer them therapy.

Posted by: spaniard at July 7, 2005 12:35 PM

That sure was overwhelming. I'm surprised they didn't follow it up with a "Go away you big bad men!" flourish. He speaks as if these thugs just committed an act of petty vandalism instead of murdering several dozen people.

Posted by: Dustin Ridgeway at July 7, 2005 12:36 PM

So it wasn't strong ENOUGH? Tough crowd...

Posted by: Jim Treacher at July 7, 2005 12:44 PM

So it wasn't strong ENOUGH? Tough crowd...

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Posted by: Jim Treacher at July 7, 2005 12:46 PM

Brilliant!

Mike, if you jump over to Donklephant you'll see a note between Joi Ito and somebody in London. People seem pretty calm.

This reminds me of something. I can't find it right now, but there's this great picture of a Londoner during the height of the Nazi's bombing campaign. He's looking at a row of books in the middle of a bombed out library. The thing looks like it's going to collapse, and he's simply browsing.

If we ever get hit again, I hope we have the same type of "fuck off" attitude that the Brits seem to have.

Posted by: Justin Gardner at July 7, 2005 12:49 PM

"He speaks as if these thugs just committed an act of petty vandalism instead of murdering several dozen people."

Please note that this was a letter to the editor, not a statement from the British government.

Posted by: kl at July 7, 2005 12:52 PM

Then on the other hand, you have idiotic comments like these (from today's Guardian):

"Fears that Muslims may become the victims of reprisals following today's London bombings have prompted a warning for them to stay indoors.
Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, appealed for calm and condemned the bombings.

He said: 'The Islamic Human Rights Commission utterly condemns this attack, but now we appeal that there should be no further victims as a result of reprisals.'

He said he was 'very concerned about a backlash' and called on British Muslims to 'remain vigilant and calm and stay indoors'. "

This advice is wrong on every level, and plays right into the terrorists' hands. British Muslims should be outside joining their fellow Brits in condemnation of the terrorists. Now is the time for British Muslims to take pride in being British, not hide out like refugees. Interesting that Shadjareh takes no apparent notice of the fact that Muslims have already suffered, as many Muslims were among the victims of the bombings.

Posted by: vanya at July 7, 2005 12:55 PM

Posted by vanya at July 7, 2005 12:55 PM

Vanya, that’s the game. Push forward the narrative that they are the victims.

You pegged the goal. Keep them segregated from the mainstream...

Same thing goes on in the US with minority groups and those that want to keep control of them...

Posted by: Thomas at July 7, 2005 01:08 PM

Now is the time for British Muslims to take pride in being British, not hide out like refugees.

PROUD? You expect these muslims and immigrants to be "proud" of being British when they are told that being proud of your country is a sign of boorishness in the West? They feel no such pride, and why should they.

Posted by: spaniard at July 7, 2005 02:01 PM

You expect these muslims and immigrants to be "proud" of being British when they are told that being proud of your country is a sign of boorishness in the West? They feel no such pride, and why should they.

Some might be thought presumptuous to assume that they could speak for an entire religious or ethnic group. That, of course, may be excused for a particularily knowledgable and insightful individual.

And when I say presumptuous, I'm being polite.

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at July 7, 2005 02:51 PM

"You don't get rewarded for this kind of crap."

No, and apparently you don't get punished either, according to this really really 'irritated' fellow.

Posted by: Jim R at July 7, 2005 03:02 PM

Jim R: No, and apparently you don't get punished either

Britain is already punishing Al Qaeda, at home and in the Middle East. What this person, who is obviously a leftie, seems to be saying is that Britain is not Spain.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at July 7, 2005 03:09 PM

Now is the time for British Muslims to take pride in being British, not hide out like refugees..

Well ----

"I interviewed three very ordinary, normal teenaged English Muslims, one with short spiky hair (dressed not unlike my 10 year-old-dude). All three seem to be parroting Muslim talking points. "The bombings were a conspiracy by Blair to generate support for the war," they recited in a charming British accent".

Hmmm, I know this is ridiculously 'anecdotal' but would these 3 young whatevers be part of that 'moderate' Muslim majority ? Sorry people, I have a sneaking suspicion that these 'moderates' are perhaps a somewhat mythical item, perhaps similar to the Holy Grail.

Stolen from the 'Powerline' blog so please go there to read the whole thing.

Posted by: dougf at July 7, 2005 03:37 PM

Teenagers spouting wild theories??

My God! Call the media!

Posted by: double-plus-ungood at July 7, 2005 03:54 PM

The real war on terror will begin when we face the fact that while the goals of these terrorists certainly do not represent those of all Muslims, they probably do represent the goals of most devout Muslims.

The concept that individuals have inalienable rights has spread beyond the West, but its origin is uniquely Western, and it is still largely an Anglosphere phoenomenon.

Anyone who believes that Islam as currently practiced by most Muslims - inseparable from the concept of the larger society and government - is compatible with Western freedom is either stupid or - like most of the Left - in denial.

And anyone who believes that "there will always be Paris" in spite of the fact that current demographic trends put France on track to become a Muslim country someday, is also in denial.

These bombings are merely the most obvious symptom of a much larger problem within Islam which goes WAY beyond just a "handful of extremists".

Either the so-called moderate Muslims change their faith, or someday their entire faith will find itself at war with the West.

Posted by: freeguy at July 7, 2005 04:33 PM

Huzzah. I've been thinking about this, and I don't think the terrorists know what they've started. It may be optimism, but I feel that out of this tragedy, more nations will unite against terror like never before. Theses fascists have awakened a sleeping giant. Much like Americans when they see the big picture, the British aren't taking this shit lying down. A lot of Americans aren't fans of Bush, but they understand the WOT. The same for the Brits and Blair.

They've survived the Blitz. They'll survivve this. Hey, terrorists-- you don't realize what you've started, you murderous sonsabitches.

Posted by: Rafique Tucker at July 7, 2005 04:34 PM

My God! Call the media!--DPU

Get a grip,DPU. What are the chances that I would call the media about ANYTHING ? --;-)

Posted by: dougf at July 7, 2005 04:35 PM

That "theory" or narrative, obviously has been implanted there. It didn't just materialize in the vacuum. The question is, who did it and why. And I think the answer is just as obvious.

Posted by: mika. at July 7, 2005 04:37 PM

"You don't get rewarded for this kind of crap."

No, and apparently you don't get punished either, according to this really really 'irritated' fellow.

Jim, I wrote that. And forgive me for not adopting the same language as you would. As I tried to convey, we do things differently here. And, if you wish to ponder it, that sentence you quote has a lot packed into it.

If I choose to avoid hellfire language, if I choose to wait while we bury our dead -- whatever I choose to say is my choice.

And now you, and Justin Ridgeway, deride a Londoner's -- any Londoner's -- response?

Shame on you.

Posted by: Alan Connor at July 7, 2005 04:40 PM

Sorry Alan, but since when did Londoners become this soft and sentimental. Maybe the jihadis judged you right after all.

Posted by: mika. at July 7, 2005 04:46 PM

I apologize to you Alan. And as MJT pointed out to me, the English are and have been exacting punishment as a loyal ally, which I failed to point out.

My deepest sympathies to you and your awesome country in your time of tragedy.

Forgive me please.

Posted by: Jim R at July 7, 2005 05:02 PM

Jim, of course.

London is made up of people critical of the way we're currently tracking down these psychos and people who support that way. But I think we're agreed on one thing.

We're not having this.

And the difference between those views -- well, this isn't the time or the place.

Mika, my mother told me not to feed trolls.

Posted by: Alan Connor at July 7, 2005 05:18 PM

I have to highlight this excellent exchange:

Now is the time for British Muslims to take pride in being British, not hide out like refugees.
PROUD? You expect these muslims and immigrants to be "proud" of being British when they are told that being proud of your country is a sign of boorishness in the West? They feel no such pride, and why should they. Posted by spaniard at July 7, 2005 02:01 PM

I so totally agree with both the original comment and the response. We most certainly want British Muslims out on the streets with us next weekend, or the weekend after, as soon as a demonstration can be organized, to condemn this mass murder.

And I so totally agree with spaniard's ironic rejoinder because it goes right to the heart of a very big problem. As long as the West is represented in the media by mealy-mouthed masochists like Michael Moore, immigrants to western countries think we need their religion and Iraqis have to go against the tide of international opinion, as well as the so-called insurgents, to finish taking their country back.

And that's a very important point to make. And it's a point we're going to be making at this demonstration I hope we're going to have in London!

Posted by: Juan Golblado at July 7, 2005 05:39 PM

Alan, I didn't say what I said to goat you. I've been through this kind of unpleasantness more times than I care to count, so perhaps I'm a little jaded when it comes to mushy ceremony surrounding these events. Anyway, good luck to you guys over there in London.

Posted by: mika. at July 7, 2005 05:48 PM

Some might be thought presumptuous to assume that they could speak for an entire religious or ethnic group.

It's only "presumptous" when you don't approve of who's doing the speaking and what he happens to be saying. Otherwise it's perfectly acceptable.

Posted by: spaniard at July 7, 2005 06:25 PM

You expect these muslims and immigrants to be "proud" of being British when they are told that being proud of your country is a sign of boorishness in the West?

That's not the problem. On the contrary, immigrants are constantly being told to be proud of their country, the problem is they are encouraged to believe "your country" is the one you left, not the one you are living in.

Posted by: vanya at July 7, 2005 06:51 PM

It is interesting though, that this should happen in London. I wonder if it was the massive pro-Saddam protests that did it.

Posted by: mika. at July 7, 2005 07:06 PM

George Galloway and Red Ken issued statements. They had an issue with the attackers killing ordinary working people from all religions, and not the G8 folks. That was about as far as they would go.

Red Ken seemed to imply that if adherents of only ONE religion were attacked he'd be OK with it. I wonder what religion that would be?

My own view is that this likely means the end of the Blair Government, withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan (both Red Ken and Galloway condemned Afghanistan as well as Iraq), and some sort of apology mixed with payment to Al Qaeda.

I just don't see the UK public as any different from the Spanish. There is little anger showing through about the terrorists and their backers, most of the stuff on BBC America seems to say it was "justified" in some sense.

Posted by: Jim Rockford at July 7, 2005 07:16 PM

Why pick out the two most leftist public figure's statements, then project it onto most of England, Jim?

Give the country time to recover from the knock up side the head, for heaven sake. Try to control yourself, unlike me.

Posted by: Jim R at July 7, 2005 07:38 PM

Honor the Dead

Here’s a comment I just posted to Dan Darling over at Winds of Change.

*****

We must kick the enemy’s butt and right now! We must stay focused, our heads in the game, and keep our eye on the ball.

We must ignore the shots of the detractors from the bleachers.

We must win this war.

See my two cents worth in this thread over at Roger L. Simon’s:

RLSLink

Posted by: Ron Wright at July 7, 2005 09:41 PM

The funny thing about your comment, Ron, is this bit: "We must ignore the shots of the detractors from the bleachers."

The implication is, of course, that people like you who support the GWOT (though I'm not sure how many Americans don't support the inaptly named GWOT versus those who believe that Iraq is a detraction from, rather than central front of, the GWOT) are the ones in the game, while the people critical are on the bleachers.

I'd be curious to know: what, other than writing in blog comment sections, what you're doing to make yourself an actual part of the game, rather than sitting on the bleachers, along with the bulk of humanity?

Posted by: The Commenter at July 8, 2005 06:17 AM

I'd be curious to know: what, other than writing in blog comment sections, what you're doing to make yourself an actual part of the game, rather than sitting on the bleachers, along with the bulk of humanity?--Commenter

There are two fronts to any war. The actual ' kill the f****** enemy front',and the almost equally important ' oppose the f****** perfidious defeatists at home' front.

This forum and others are the latter. Just FYI.

Posted by: dougf at July 8, 2005 06:49 AM

Goodness! I didn't realize that the perfidy was so bad that they actually had to open up a second front that is almost equally important as actually fighting the enemy. Someday you'll have to show me your campaign ribbons and any medals you earn in this truly vital campaign of blogging and punditry! Maybe you'll develop carpal tunnel and receive the Purple Heart for your sacrifice, and a ticket out of the front lines.

You people, you're real heroes, you know that?

Oh, the horror, the horror.

Posted by: The Commenter at July 8, 2005 07:32 AM

A most excellent rant, Michael! Spot on, and right to the heart of it all.

Posted by: AFSister at July 8, 2005 02:26 PM

The N. Viet commies, and Cambodia's commies, "won" in SE Asia thanks to the "equally important ... perfidious defeatists".
And the UN saw genocide (and allowed it again).

It's not exactly the goal of the Left; but if their policies are followed and cause such a disaster, they'll find some other scapegoat.

Michael, nice set of rants trashing the Left.
(too bad I never saw anything similar from you about Durbin, despite your WTF assurance you trashed him -- though your trashing of Rove was clear.)

Posted by: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad at July 9, 2005 02:40 PM

Tom, it's time to give it up, for heaven sake. Show me a post where you have ever spoken ill, much less trashed, anyone on 'your side'.

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