Michael J. Totten: "Freedom Fries" and a Timetable

June 21, 2005

"Freedom Fries" and a Timetable

Christopher Hitchens unfavorably compares the so-called "Downing Street Memo" to Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code. I have not read The Da Vinci Code, but I did try to read Angels and Demons by the same author and found it so shot through with conspiracy-mongering to make it unreadable even while I was on vacation looking for an escape novel - and I'm not at all one of those people who demand stories be realistic, per se. The next book in line on my nightstand is a vampire novel by Todd Grimson (who often posts in the comments section below) named Stainless.

Anyway, Hitchens' conclusion is the best part of the piece.

The outrage about the nondisclosures in the Downing Street memos has led Congressman Walter Jones of North Carolina to demand that we tell the al-Qaida forces in Iraq exactly when we intend to give up. Jones is the right-wing bigmouth who once wanted to rename French fries "freedom fries." He was a moral and political cretin when he did that and, not to my surprise, he has been unable to stop being a moral and political cretin since. He and his new friends are welcome to each other.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at June 21, 2005 06:39 PM

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Odd how those Downing Street Minutes are all of a sudden everywhere on the rightie blogs. :)

Given the fact that the first memo was written by a named source and distributed to a myriad of named sources..none of which have come forth to debunk the memo (not to mention that Tony Blair himself has said that the meeting which the memo cites in fact took place..) it's looking rather rough for the "memo is fake" crowd.

Posted by: carla at June 21, 2005 07:23 PM

I've yet to see anything in the Downs Syndrome Meme that proves the truth of the matters asserted.

Posted by: spaniard at June 21, 2005 08:19 PM

I've yet to see anything in the Downs Syndrome Meme that proves the truth of the matters asserted.

Posted by: spaniard at June 21, 2005 08:20 PM

The most compelling anti-invasion argument to me was that this administration wouldn't do a very good job of putting the country back together. I can't say that much that's happened since the invasion has changed my mind that US strengths (which are many) don't include rebuilding shattered countries (Germany and Japan rebuilt themselves with an occasional prod one way or the other).

But although I was on the losing side of the "should we invade a non-agressor country we don't like" argument, I certainly think that once we did, we have a huge responsibility to do everything we can to make things better for that country's citizens. Pretty clearly, a timetable for withdrawal that doesn't take into account the situation on the ground would be irresponsible and lead to nothing good. I wouldn't be opposed to an open-ended exit strategy based on measurable ground conditions but that's not on anyone's plan.

Posted by: Michael Farris at June 22, 2005 01:15 AM

Congressman Walter Jones of North Carolina is most certainly a moral and political cretin.

And it's good to confront fools (or worse) and the damage they do or intend to do. Even such relative small fry as Jones.

This is awkward.

That is:
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I don't get it Michael. I really don't.
Durbin stood by his outrageous "equivalencies" for a week.
You found this unremarkable ?

Posted by: Stephen at June 22, 2005 02:21 AM

Yes indeed. Why all the fuss? Everybody knows that the us is a militarist, racist and reactionary in nature. A brief perusal of history will show this.
So why the fuss?
Well, some people still beleive the hype, you know democracy, accountability, human rights, the geneva convention all that other quaint stuff.
I mean can you imagine getting excited over this?

Posted by: kevser at June 22, 2005 04:08 AM

Hitchens focuses on the wrong part of the memo. , as well as the . What is damning about Downing Street, as well as the David Manning memo and the Jack Straw memo, is not the "revelation" that the Administration wanted to implement the regime change wished for in the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998. What is most damning is the degree to which the Administration didn't have a clue about post-war plans, and didn't care much that it didn't. Kevin Drum sums this up and provides the links in a post today at washingtonmonthly.com

Hitchens is probably too busy getting ready to go on his tour of the British Isles with David Horowitz to give a damn, but Totten and other liberal hawks ought to be pissed as hell that the Administration was so incompetant and neglegant, about preparing to rebuild a "country" like Iraq.

Posted by: Markus Rose at June 22, 2005 07:23 AM

I didn't get the point of Hitchen's article. I felt he was just going after a strawman. Most sane people on the left don't think the Downing Street Memos show a conspiracy - just that Bush let his preconceived ideas about Iraq dictate policy rather than letting facts dictate policy. I don't think that is very controversial. The "conspiracy" is that the media has done its best to hide its head in the sand and wait for the memos to go away - rather than broach the painful topic of Bush's incompetence. I challenge anyone to read Michael Kinsley's ridiculous deliberate misreading of the Downing Street Memo and then tell me the press is not trying to cover its ass in a major way.

BTW, are there any intelligent people who LIKED the DaVinci code? I assume there must be a few.

Posted by: vanya at June 22, 2005 07:51 AM

The memos probably are not fake

Of course the administration was thinking we'd end up using force. Because they knew the UN would do nothing and Saddam wouldn't back down.

The administration's reconstruction plan was flawed (Rummy and Paul were too optimistic). Should have sealed borders and heavily occupied Sunni areas. Playing nice nice with them obviously was judged as weakness….

The left's reading conspiracy into the word 'fixed'. It is not warranted. Look up the word in a dictionary.

That about sums it up

Posted by: Thomas at June 22, 2005 09:14 AM

I have never understood how there can be any real controversy around the word "fixed." Both in England and America the word has the same range of meaning. It is clear that "fixed" does not mean "made-up." But it is still a damning word. It means the intelligence and facts are being organized around the policy, i.e. being cherry picked. People do this all the time in government, science and in business - but is not the correct way to do things and always leads to trouble. You should fix your policy around the intelligence and facts. Admittedly there is no proof that Bush & co. actually did this, it's just one high-ranking British official's assessment. But in retrospect, given how much we thought about Iraq turned out to be wrong, it certainly seems like a credible assessment.

Posted by: vanya at June 22, 2005 09:59 AM

Vanya, you make a great observation about the media ignoring "the painful topic of Bush's incompetence."

Bush's incompetence (particularly in Iraq) was the main argument I made against his re-election to my Republican friends last November. Surely almost any other leader would have thought about basic issues like border control prior to invading a country. Bush clearly did not consider (or probably even hear) any opinions that differed from those he'd already arrived at.

A lot more people would have supported the Iraq invasion (including me) had this administration tried to have an open dialog with the citizens of our country. (Of course, open dialogs are unpredictable - - maybe people would have concluded that, say, North Korea was a much more urgent problem.) We were already in a low-level war with Iraq, spending millions annually, and Iraqis were in pretty bad shape. It wasn't an unreasonable idea to consider.

But it was clear the decision had already been made. I don't need the Downing Street memos to tell me that, I remember that time period clearly.

I recall a press conference by Ari Fleisher (remember him?), during the run-up to the war...a reporter asked him, "What if WMD's aren't found?" And his response was something like, (and I'm not making this up), "Then we will know that Saddam was successful at hiding them." And I don't recall any reporters challenging that statement. I just remember thinking that, if the UN doesn't find any WMD's, maybe that's because...there AREN'T ANY?

And now I've been reading about how Bush had to be convinced by Blair to invade Afghanistan, not Iraq, after 9/11. Leveraging the 9/11 attacks to carry out an invasion that has already been in the works is not incompetent, it's unethical.

Posted by: Northcoaster at June 22, 2005 11:26 AM

You remind me of what I've always most loathed about Hitchens:his propensity to use ad hominem attacks and smears against people who happen to disagree or displease him.

Hitchens provides no evidence that Rep. Jones changed his mind because of the DSM-gate.Jones to ABC:

"I voted for the resolution to commit the troops, and I feel that we've done about as much as we can do," Mr Jones said on US network ABC..."

"He said his change of heart about the war came after he attended the funeral of a US sergeant killed in Nasiriya, Iraq, in April 2003. Mr Jones said he was moved by the soldier's widow who read out her husband's last letter.

"And that really has been on my mind and my heart ever since," he said."

So we don't really know what changed Jones's mind,beyond what he said in public.Hitchens just automatically assumes the worst motivations,without evidence.

But that has been his whole career,hasn't it?Always attack the person,never his argument.

Posted by: Jussi Hämäläinen at June 22, 2005 12:12 PM

I don't remember Hitchens criticizing Jones for the whole "freedom fries" thing at the time, either. Funny how he only goes after people when they're no longer supporting Bush. I mean, he's never been averse to carpet-bombing small targets before; why wait until now to criticize this "cretin"?

Posted by: pdf at June 22, 2005 02:17 PM

The outrage about the nondisclosures in the Downing Street memos has led Congressman Walter Jones of North Carolina to demand that we tell the al-Qaida forces in Iraq exactly when we intend to give up.

Y'know, Michael, I'm not about to accuse the congresshuman responsible for "Freedom Fries" of having any principles, but let's give him credit for one thing -- he almost certainly knows his constituents better than you or I or Christopher Hitchens does. And you and Hitchens should probably take it as a wake-up call that the Republican representative of a district with Camp Lejeuene and other military bases thinks it's politically safe (or even advantageous) to call for a withdrawal from Iraq.

I'm one of those who believe a U.S. pullout would be disastrous. However, for you or me or Hitchens, saying "stay the course" is an easy gig, because we're not headed to Iraq anytime soon. We can compose a statement of resolve on our blogs (or whatever outlet Hitchens writes for), relax, and order another latte (or, um, whatever other beverage Hitchens favors).

For a lot of Jones's constituents, though, "staying the course" means several months as a human minefield tester near Ramadi. The families and friends of those soldiers are also his constituents. It's not an abstract statement of principle for them.

I don't know about you or Hitchens, but to me, promising to fight for the dream of Iraqi democracy until the last breath of some 21-year-old kid from Iowa (or North Carolina) that I've never met doesn't carry a lot of moral weight. So I'm not sure where Hitchens gets the standing to call Jones "a moral and political cretin."

Instead of blustering, he -- and you -- should look at Jones as a canary in the coal mine who's starting to wheeze and cough. Rethinking one's mining plans might be a better idea in that situation than blaming the canary for its weak lungs.

Posted by: Swopa at June 22, 2005 02:17 PM

Hitchens is brilliant! And yes, the memoes most likely are creative embellishments. Given how amusing and entertaining the controversy has become, who cares?!! Keep it going, kiddies, I only regret that I have important things to do and cannot join you.

Posted by: Sasha at June 22, 2005 02:29 PM

Swopa:

And you and Hitchens should probably take it as a wake-up call that the Republican representative of a district with Camp Lejeuene and other military bases thinks it's politically safe (or even advantageous) to call for a withdrawal from Iraq.

I don't normally agree with Swopa, but this made me do a double-take. Probably worth some follow-up, and when I get back the States (and over my jet lag) I'm going to do a little digging on the Congressman.

BTW, the week of the 4th I'm traveling to Kuwait. Since there won't be much else to do there, I'll spend some time each evening of my two weeks there blogging about it. (Like Swopa's poster children, I have mixed feelings about going to that part of the world. Like them, though, I signed up for my job, and I really could quit if I wanted. Unlike them, I won't have to put myself in the line of frequent enemy fire. But also unlike them, I won't have 100k heavily-armed buddies with me....)

Posted by: Mark Poling at June 22, 2005 02:46 PM

And for the record, about "digging on the Congressman" what I want to do is decide whether I think he's being stupid or crafty. If I decide on the first, I'll lump him with Pat Buchannon and be done with him. If the second, I'll start worrying that the Tet strategy might be working again.

Posted by: Mark Poling at June 22, 2005 03:03 PM

Hitchens is no different than Swopa or any other Bush hater or Bush lover - the moment someone disagrees with them they basically attack them.
It's been the persistence of the self-righteous fellow libs that led me to Totten's websites and other "hawks" in the the first place. To think we have to deal with these annoying self-righteous blowhards who are no different from their supposed neoconservative enemies long after Bush is out of office.
Also, as much as I want the troops to come home, I am a bit too suspicious that this is just a lie - October of 2006? Why don't they promote an earlier date?

Posted by: Rachel at June 22, 2005 03:04 PM

ROTFLMAO!! I love Hitchens!

Posted by: Maggie at June 22, 2005 05:29 PM

Posted by vanya at June 22, 2005 09:59 AM

"But it is still a damning word. It means the intelligence and facts are being organized around the policy, i.e. being cherry picked."

Actually, it is not. It means organized or anchored around. 'The cherry picked' thing is your opinion and not what the word means... That's the problem, people reading into it what they choose to.

Back to organized, that's what we all do when we make a case or present an argument. We take facts, organize them around a theory or argument, and present it.

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