November 11, 2004

The GOP Purge

Hugh Hewitt is still defending dissident Republican Senator Arlen Specter, this time in The Weekly Standard. And he thinks Zell Miller’s tirade against the Democratic Party, A National Party No More, should be required reading for Republicans drunk on power. What will happen if the GOP burns its heretics? The same thing that happened to the Democrats.

Fast forward four years. The Democrats have convened in late summer in Cleveland to nominate former Virginia governor Mark Warner and Senator Barack Obama. It is the third night of the convention, and the Democrats have chosen as their keynote speaker . . . Arlen Specter. Or Olympia Snowe. Or Chuck Hagel. Or some other GOP big who has grown disgusted with his or her inability to have any influence on Republican deliberations. So they have bolted, bringing a message that their party breached its pledge to govern with the interests of the entire country in mind.

This may be a nightmare scenario for most people who read The Weekly Standard. But if liberal-moderate Republicans bolt the GOP for the Democrats, hey, that’s fine with me. It will make the Democrats both larger and saner. Everyone wins...except the Republicans. It's up to them. Do I think they'll do the right thing? Naah. Jane’s Law is still on the books.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at November 11, 2004 07:06 PM
Comments

While Hewitt has, barely, convinced me, it is only because the Catholic Bishops have not yet more firmly come out against pro-choice politicians.

Catholics generally are in favor of big, intrusive, paternalistic gov't (high spending); against war (though accepting "just war"); and pro-life. As the Dems continue to purge themselves of any pro-life persons, the Catholics move towards the Reps.

The Dems might well gain sanity, soon, on Iraq and the need for democracy. In fact, they could easily start pushing pro-democracy action in Sudan, Congo, Zimbabwe; Palestine, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran. And Iraq, too, after their Jan. elections. (You'll revert to a happy Dem, then.)

The Dems are much less likely to accept God, and reject abortion.

But Dems might well accept Federalism -- letting the states decide on gay marriage, AND on abortion and other "private" acts. I think CA and NY already had legal abortion before Roe -- if Roe is overturned and the law-making power is returned to the states, where it should have remained in 73, the US will have to live with states having different laws -- different cultures.

The US culture is changing. More gay friendly -- more abortion unfriendly. As more pictures of the truth of abortion are shown, and especially partial-birth baby murders, more young women will turn against it.

Interventionism or Isolationism is a bit moral, but more coldly cost-benefit. At $200 bill more, and a loss of some 1200 American live, I support Iraqi Freedom. My support would be much less were it 12 000 -- though I would ALWAYS support the goal of democracy in Iraq, or of China.

Selfish abortion, rather than adoption (and wiser abstinence?), is a more pure moral issue. In the USA today, there's no real good reason for any American women to kill her unwanted fetus, rather than give birth and put the baby up for adoption. In Poland, where abortion is illegal, there are some couple of hundred legal abortions each year, for the health of the mother.

The USA would be surprisingly little changed if all the red states were allowed to adopt Polish laws on abortion. This allowance can come either through an explicit amendment, or thru SC changes. Most think SC changes the easier route. (I'd personally prefer the amendment route, "marrying" all private sex issues together and stating they are all state issues.)

Posted by: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad at November 12, 2004 12:36 AM

Tom Grey: You'll revert to a happy Dem, then

I wouldn't count that chicken just yet. The second half of Jane's Law is still on the books, too.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 12, 2004 01:47 AM

The Republicans will have little to worry about if they limit their anti-abortion (and gay marriage) advocacy to states rights remedies. Most people feel comfortable with this sort of compromise. They just don’t want judges deciding these matters.

Posted by: David Thomson at November 12, 2004 02:25 AM

I think the Repubs should let Specter be the Chairman. I mean, what's so wrong with Specter as judiciary chairman anyway.

The GOP survived Dem obstructionism. They survived McCain's "disloyalty".

They can survive a Specter Chairmanship too.

Posted by: john marzan at November 12, 2004 03:24 AM

Question:

How would denying Specter the chairmanship over a single committee, one that has power over something where Specter is clearly not aligned with his own party, be analogous to the GOP burning its heretics, or be analogous to the Democrats basically squelching the entire pro-life wing of their own party?

Posted by: Gerry at November 12, 2004 05:58 AM

Gerry, on a purely tactical front, having Specter in the chair would allow the Republicans to tack toward the center, while assuring the theocons that they'd really nominate God-Firsters, if only that Evil Arlen wouldn't be such an putz.

And what's beautiful about this is Bush himself can come out in support of Arlen (as he has in the past) without jeapordizing his re-election chances, because, well, Bush is done. So the Republicans get a more moderate reputation where they need it, and the God-Firsters can start planning for 2008.

Not my preferred strategy, but I can see it being effective.

Posted by: Mark Poling at November 12, 2004 06:27 AM

Perhaps you all should read a little more about the objections to Specter - they don't all focus on abortion, although that is important to many in the discussion. But at the top of the list is his opposition to things like tort reform and his approval for judicial activism rather than restraint on a whole host of issues. This position runs counter to core Republican values and while it overlaps with the concerns of religious Republicans on the matter of abortion, it goes much farther than that. So this is nothing like the left "burning it's heretics". It's folks within the party asking the party to make sure that it gives the chairmanship of a crucial committee to someone who supports key values of the party that cross over many issues.

Any by the way, why all the trashing of religious people and values here - you guys have bad experiences with church or Christians growing up? I'm getting awfully tired of reading every day about how I must be stupid, bigoted and wanting to take away your civil rights. This site is better than that - Michael, I expect better than that from you and I also expect a higher level of discourse from your commenters. Those who think that all Christians are just ignorant, uneducated theocrats should just write for the New York Times (Oh wait, they already do!)

Priscilla

Posted by: Priscilla at November 12, 2004 07:06 AM

Since Jane Galt's real name is Megan, maybe it should be called "Megan's Law."

Posted by: Steve at November 12, 2004 07:37 AM

But Megan calls it that! The problems of becoming famous under a pseudonym (I started out as Tigger, then OldTigger, now just boring me.)

Here's what she says on her site (reviewed for the insane part!):

Jane's Law: The devotees of the party in power are smug and arrogant. The devotees of the party out of power are insane.

And Michael, the Dems are maybe a year away from finding a Zell Miller pro-war, anti-cuts, anti-God, anti-insanity leader. I think Jane's law is great for use in a self-negating prophetic sense. A reality check.

If you're in power, are you smug and arrogant? Hugh suspects the anti-Specter folk are, too much.

If you're out, are you insane? As long as Dems support Dean, and Mssr. Moore, they are.

When Jeff Jarvis says the Swifties are "smearing" Kerry, who refuses to sign form 180 for the truth -- Jeff is insane. But usually Jeff is great.

Michael too.

Posted by: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad at November 12, 2004 07:54 AM

I was one of the first supporters of the "pass on Specter" call, but now I am in favor of giving him the chair. To me, it was never about the issue and his position, and always about party loyalty. It is one thing to say, "I urge the President to not base his nominations on Roe" and a whole different thing to say "When you talk about judges who would change the right of a woman to choose, overturn Roe v. Wade, I think that is unlikely" you are in a different realm.

With Specter's assurance that he will back the presidents nominations, my problems have been assuaged. Both sides win -- he will get his chair, and it is clear to renegades who want to hijack the party (a much bigger issue than Roe) have been given a clear message.

Posted by: Phelps at November 12, 2004 10:07 AM

Purge is rather strong. We're not talking about kicking him out of the Senate, just denying him chairmanship of a particular committee.

I'm a pro-choice Republican, and I don't want Specter to head the Judiciary committee. Not b/c of Roe/Wade, but b/c I think he's a spineless unprincipled weasel.

Posted by: Lee Willis at November 12, 2004 10:30 AM

Tom Grey -- you seem to be familiar with details of the Catholic Church. I'm thinking this may indicate you are Catholic, and if so, I'm wondering how you, other Catholics, and the U.S. Catholic Bishops relate to the church's teaching on the death penalty, and on Catholic politicians who support it. I understand that there is a difference in importance to given to church teachings on, say, on tax policy or welfare reform, as opposed to its teachings on abortion, which directly deals with the fundamental sanctity of life. But I'm not so sure why capital punishment isn't also a fundamental issue in the same way.

Posted by: Markus Rose at November 12, 2004 10:40 AM

Catholics have traditionally very often voted on "social justice" issues (gov't spending they feel will alleviate poverty) over restrictions on abortion.

They have always had to choose what issue carries the most weight.

Posted by: Attila Girl at November 12, 2004 12:44 PM

Priscilla wrote: "Any by the way, why all the trashing of religious people and values here - you guys have bad experiences with church or Christians growing up?"

Personally, I try not to trash anyones religious ideas. However, I do take umbrage with any religous person who seeks to impose their ideas on others.

My general statement to the Christian Right is:

If you believe abortion is wrong, don't have an abortion. If you don't believe in stem cell research, then don't take advantage of any scientific discoveries associated with it. If you don't believe in gay couples... don't hook up with a member of the same sex.

All that Christians have are ideas about what they think is right. Other people who are not christian (or christians of a different ilk) have different ideas about what is right. It's folly for anyone to impose their ideas on everyone, that goes for Christians, muslims, Liberals and the rest.

Posted by: Ratatosk at November 12, 2004 01:28 PM

"What will happen if the GOP burns its heretics?"

Let's not get all hysterical and shriek a lot of exaggerations, um-kay?

Nobody is burning anyone. Specter is the chair of other Senate committees. No one has suggested that he be deposed from those committees, have they?

This is one committee, with great importance, especially in light of the recent attempts of the Gay Mafia to use the courts to shove fundamental changes in America down the throats of Americans.

All we're saying is that for this committee, given these stakes, Specter can't be trusted.

Now, if Sir Hagel, the nincompoop (have you ever listened to this guy speak?) wants to join Ron ("I'm a traitor to my dad") Reagan and speak to the party of Michael Moore and Jimmy Carter, then well, as they say ... let's get ready to rumble.

Posted by: paul a'barge at November 12, 2004 01:46 PM

Specter is the chair of more than one committee????? That's just plain wrong.

Posted by: Alan K. Henderson at November 12, 2004 02:46 PM

A guy votes for one Republican in his life and thinks his advice is valuable to Republicans. He may duck but I won't that there's hypocrisy afoot. After all didn't he vote for a Dem legislature claiming he wanted to tie things in knots. Specter's his man. Well, well.

Posted by: NoSale at November 12, 2004 06:25 PM

Tom Grey> California's abortion laws were signed by Governor Reagan (how is that for irony).

Oddly enough Arlen Specter did oppose Bork, but he supported Clarence Thomas's nomination and took Antia Hill to task. So did Alan Simpson who is pro-choice up until birth, while Specter is pro-choice until the third trimester.

Personally, I don't care too much about Specter's view on abortion. I don't think the GOP will actually change abortion laws in this country unless we want Nancy Pelosi as Speaker. As long as we maintain the status quo on abortion, the GOP has an issue to rally its base and pro-choice fiscal conservtaives can vote Repblican without any fear. Of course Jane's Law implies that such conventional wisdom is ignored.

I personally don't care much for abortion, but I think proibition is about as useful as giving Michael Moore an Atkins Diet book. I say we should ease adoption laws and one reason I support gay adoption is that it will result in reducing abortions. My only cocnern is that children need both male and female role models, so at most I think a same sex couple should provide a role model of opposite gender for the kid, as some things in child rearing are better served with a male or female perspective. I was raised by my mother (I had a weekend dad though) and there were some things in my upbringing best done by a father.

NoSale> Mike is not a Republican and I would undoubtedly disagree with him on many fiscal issues, but he has seen what makes him feel disaffected by the Democrats, and sees it as possible with the GOP. His advice is good advice regardless of whetehr I agree with Mike or not on policy decisions. I am glad I do disagree with Mike on some issues as it reassures me I'm an individual, and if I were to travel to Portland, I know who I'd look up first.

Posted by: Green Baron at November 13, 2004 05:39 AM

Here's the deal:

I don't want Bush to get tough on Specter. I want him to instead, get tough on some of the disloyal CIA spooks, whose brazen insubordination have violated all standards of honorable public service.

read david brooks column for more info

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/13/opinion/13brooks.html?oref=login&hp

Bush and the GOP should let Specter have the Chair position, but he should use his election mandate to fix the CIA and clean out the garbage.

Posted by: john marzan at November 13, 2004 10:07 PM

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November 11, 2004
The GOP Purge
Hugh Hewitt is still defending dissident Republican Senator Arlen Specter, this time in The Weekly Standard. And he thinks Zell Miller’s tirade against the Democratic Party, A National Party No More, should be required reading for Republicans drunk on power. What will happen if the GOP burns its heretics? The same thing that happened to the Democrats.

Fast forward four years. The Democrats have convened in late summer in Cleveland to nominate former Virginia governor Mark Warner and Senator Barack Obama. It is the third night of the convention, and the Democrats have chosen as their keynote speaker . . . Arlen Specter. Or Olympia Snowe. Or Chuck Hagel. Or some other GOP big who has grown disgusted with his or her inability to have any influence on Republican deliberations. So they have bolted, bringing a message that their party breached its pledge to govern with the interests of the entire country in mind.
This may be a nightmare scenario for most people who read The Weekly Standard. But if liberal-moderate Republicans bolt the GOP for the Democrats, hey, that’s fine with me. It will make the Democrats both larger and saner. Everyone wins...except the Republicans. It's up to them. Do I think they'll do the right thing? Naah. Jane’s Law is still on the books.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at November 11, 2004 07:06 PM

Comments
While Hewitt has, barely, convinced me, it is only because the Catholic Bishops have not yet more firmly come out against pro-choice politicians.

Catholics generally are in favor of big, intrusive, paternalistic gov't (high spending); against war (though accepting "just war"); and pro-life. As the Dems continue to purge themselves of any pro-life persons, the Catholics move towards the Reps.

The Dems might well gain sanity, soon, on Iraq and the need for democracy. In fact, they could easily start pushing pro-democracy action in Sudan, Congo, Zimbabwe; Palestine, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran. And Iraq, too, after their Jan. elections. (You'll revert to a happy Dem, then.)

The Dems are much less likely to accept God, and reject abortion.

But Dems might well accept Federalism -- letting the states decide on gay marriage, AND on abortion and other "private" acts. I think CA and NY already had legal abortion before Roe -- if Roe is overturned and the law-making power is returned to the states, where it should have remained in 73, the US will have to live with states having different laws -- different cultures.

The US culture is changing. More gay friendly -- more abortion unfriendly. As more pictures of the truth of abortion are shown, and especially partial-birth baby murders, more young women will turn against it.

Interventionism or Isolationism is a bit moral, but more coldly cost-benefit. At $200 bill more, and a loss of some 1200 American live, I support Iraqi Freedom. My support would be much less were it 12 000 -- though I would ALWAYS support the goal of democracy in Iraq, or of China.

Selfish abortion, rather than adoption (and wiser abstinence?), is a more pure moral issue. In the USA today, there's no real good reason for any American women to kill her unwanted fetus, rather than give birth and put the baby up for adoption. In Poland, where abortion is illegal, there are some couple of hundred legal abortions each year, for the health of the mother.

The USA would be surprisingly little changed if all the red states were allowed to adopt Polish laws on abortion. This allowance can come either through an explicit amendment, or thru SC changes. Most think SC changes the easier route. (I'd personally prefer the amendment route, "marrying" all private sex issues together and stating they are all state issues.)

Posted by: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad at November 12, 2004 12:36 AM
Tom Grey: You'll revert to a happy Dem, then

I wouldn't count that chicken just yet. The second half of Jane's Law is still on the books, too.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 12, 2004 01:47 AM
The Republicans will have little to worry about if they limit their anti-abortion (and gay marriage) advocacy to states rights remedies. Most people feel comfortable with this sort of compromise. They just don’t want judges deciding these matters.

Posted by: David Thomson at November 12, 2004 02:25 AM
I think the Repubs should let Specter be the Chairman. I mean, what's so wrong with Specter as judiciary chairman anyway.

The GOP survived Dem obstructionism. They survived McCain's "disloyalty".

They can survive a Specter Chairmanship too.

Posted by: john marzan at November 12, 2004 03:24 AM
Question:

How would denying Specter the chairmanship over a single committee, one that has power over something where Specter is clearly not aligned with his own party, be analogous to the GOP burning its heretics, or be analogous to the Democrats basically squelching the entire pro-life wing of their own party?

Posted by: Gerry at November 12, 2004 05:58 AM
Gerry, on a purely tactical front, having Specter in the chair would allow the Republicans to tack toward the center, while assuring the theocons that they'd really nominate God-Firsters, if only that Evil Arlen wouldn't be such an putz.

And what's beautiful about this is Bush himself can come out in support of Arlen (as he has in the past) without jeapordizing his re-election chances, because, well, Bush is done. So the Republicans get a more moderate reputation where they need it, and the God-Firsters can start planning for 2008.

Not my preferred strategy, but I can see it being effective.

Posted by: Mark Poling at November 12, 2004 06:27 AM
Perhaps you all should read a little more about the objections to Specter - they don't all focus on abortion, although that is important to many in the discussion. But at the top of the list is his opposition to things like tort reform and his approval for judicial activism rather than restraint on a whole host of issues. This position runs counter to core Republican values and while it overlaps with the concerns of religious Republicans on the matter of abortion, it goes much farther than that. So this is nothing like the left "burning it's heretics". It's folks within the party asking the party to make sure that it gives the chairmanship of a crucial committee to someone who supports key values of the party that cross over many issues.

Any by the way, why all the trashing of religious people and values here - you guys have bad experiences with church or Christians growing up? I'm getting awfully tired of reading every day about how I must be stupid, bigoted and wanting to take away your civil rights. This site is better than that - Michael, I expect better than that from you and I also expect a higher level of discourse from your commenters. Those who think that all Christians are just ignorant, uneducated theocrats should just write for the New York Times (Oh wait, they already do!)

Priscilla

Posted by: Priscilla at November 12, 2004 07:06 AM
Since Jane Galt's real name is Megan, maybe it should be called "Megan's Law."

Posted by: Steve at November 12, 2004 07:37 AM
But Megan calls it that! The problems of becoming famous under a pseudonym (I started out as Tigger, then OldTigger, now just boring me.)

Here's what she says on her site (reviewed for the insane part!):

Jane's Law: The devotees of the party in power are smug and arrogant. The devotees of the party out of power are insane.

And Michael, the Dems are maybe a year away from finding a Zell Miller pro-war, anti-cuts, anti-God, anti-insanity leader. I think Jane's law is great for use in a self-negating prophetic sense. A reality check.

If you're in power, are you smug and arrogant? Hugh suspects the anti-Specter folk are, too much.

If you're out, are you insane? As long as Dems support Dean, and Mssr. Moore, they are.

When Jeff Jarvis says the Swifties are "smearing" Kerry, who refuses to sign form 180 for the truth -- Jeff is insane. But usually Jeff is great.

Michael too.

Posted by: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad at November 12, 2004 07:54 AM
I was one of the first supporters of the "pass on Specter" call, but now I am in favor of giving him the chair. To me, it was never about the issue and his position, and always about party loyalty. It is one thing to say, "I urge the President to not base his nominations on Roe" and a whole different thing to say "When you talk about judges who would change the right of a woman to choose, overturn Roe v. Wade, I think that is unlikely" you are in a different realm.

With Specter's assurance that he will back the presidents nominations, my problems have been assuaged. Both sides win -- he will get his chair, and it is clear to renegades who want to hijack the party (a much bigger issue than Roe) have been given a clear message.

Posted by: Phelps at November 12, 2004 10:07 AM
Purge is rather strong. We're not talking about kicking him out of the Senate, just denying him chairmanship of a particular committee.

I'm a pro-choice Republican, and I don't want Specter to head the Judiciary committee. Not b/c of Roe/Wade, but b/c I think he's a spineless unprincipled weasel.

Posted by: Lee Willis at November 12, 2004 10:30 AM
Tom Grey -- you seem to be familiar with details of the Catholic Church. I'm thinking this may indicate you are Catholic, and if so, I'm wondering how you, other Catholics, and the U.S. Catholic Bishops relate to the church's teaching on the death penalty, and on Catholic politicians who support it. I understand that there is a difference in importance to given to church teachings on, say, on tax policy or welfare reform, as opposed to its teachings on abortion, which directly deals with the fundamental sanctity of life. But I'm not so sure why capital punishment isn't also a fundamental issue in the same way.

Posted by: Markus Rose at November 12, 2004 10:40 AM
Catholics have traditionally very often voted on "social justice" issues (gov't spending they feel will alleviate poverty) over restrictions on abortion.

They have always had to choose what issue carries the most weight.

Posted by: Attila Girl at November 12, 2004 12:44 PM
Priscilla wrote: "Any by the way, why all the trashing of religious people and values here - you guys have bad experiences with church or Christians growing up?"

Personally, I try not to trash anyones religious ideas. However, I do take umbrage with any religous person who seeks to impose their ideas on others.

My general statement to the Christian Right is:

If you believe abortion is wrong, don't have an abortion. If you don't believe in stem cell research, then don't take advantage of any scientific discoveries associated with it. If you don't believe in gay couples... don't hook up with a member of the same sex.

All that Christians have are ideas about what they think is right. Other people who are not christian (or christians of a different ilk) have different ideas about what is right. It's folly for anyone to impose their ideas on everyone, that goes for Christians, muslims, Liberals and the rest.

Posted by: Ratatosk at November 12, 2004 01:28 PM
"What will happen if the GOP burns its heretics?"

Let's not get all hysterical and shriek a lot of exaggerations, um-kay?

Nobody is burning anyone. Specter is the chair of other Senate committees. No one has suggested that he be deposed from those committees, have they?

This is one committee, with great importance, especially in light of the recent attempts of the Gay Mafia to use the courts to shove fundamental changes in America down the throats of Americans.

All we're saying is that for this committee, given these stakes, Specter can't be trusted.

Now, if Sir Hagel, the nincompoop (have you ever listened to this guy speak?) wants to join Ron ("I'm a traitor to my dad") Reagan and speak to the party of Michael Moore and Jimmy Carter, then well, as they say ... let's get ready to rumble.

Posted by: paul a'barge at November 12, 2004 01:46 PM
Specter is the chair of more than one committee????? That's just plain wrong.

Posted by: Alan K. Henderson at November 12, 2004 02:46 PM
A guy votes for one Republican in his life and thinks his advice is valuable to Republicans. He may duck but I won't that there's hypocrisy afoot. After all didn't he vote for a Dem legislature claiming he wanted to tie things in knots. Specter's his man. Well, well.

Posted by: NoSale at November 12, 2004 06:25 PM
Tom Grey> California's abortion laws were signed by Governor Reagan (how is that for irony).

Oddly enough Arlen Specter did oppose Bork, but he supported Clarence Thomas's nomination and took Antia Hill to task. So did Alan Simpson who is pro-choice up until birth, while Specter is pro-choice until the third trimester.

Personally, I don't care too much about Specter's view on abortion. I don't think the GOP will actually change abortion laws in this country unless we want Nancy Pelosi as Speaker. As long as we maintain the status quo on abortion, the GOP has an issue to rally its base and pro-choice fiscal conservtaives can vote Repblican without any fear. Of course Jane's Law implies that such conventional wisdom is ignored.

I personally don't care much for abortion, but I think proibition is about as useful as giving Michael Moore an Atkins Diet book. I say we should ease adoption laws and one reason I support gay adoption is that it will result in reducing abortions. My only cocnern is that children need both male and female role models, so at most I think a same sex couple should provide a role model of opposite gender for the kid, as some things in child rearing are better served with a male or female perspective. I was raised by my mother (I had a weekend dad though) and there were some things in my upbringing best done by a father.

NoSale> Mike is not a Republican and I would undoubtedly disagree with him on many fiscal issues, but he has seen what makes him feel disaffected by the Democrats, and sees it as possible with the GOP. His advice is good advice regardless of whetehr I agree with Mike or not on policy decisions. I am glad I do disagree with Mike on some issues as it reassures me I'm an individual, and if I were to travel to Portland, I know who I'd look up first.

Posted by: Green Baron at November 13, 2004 05:39 AM
Here's the deal:

I don't want Bush to get tough on Specter. I want him to instead, get tough on some of the disloyal CIA spooks, whose brazen insubordination have violated all standards of honorable public service.

read david brooks column for more info

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/13/opinion/13brooks.html?oref=login&hp

Bush and the GOP should let Specter have the Chair position, but he should use his election mandate to fix the CIA and clean out the garbage.

Posted by: john marzan at November 13, 2004 10:07 PM
With stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. Friedrich von Schiller (1759 - 1805)

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Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. Voltaire (1694 - 1778)

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Since I hurt my pendulum
My life is all erratic.
My parrot, who was cordial,
Is now transmitting static.
The carpet died, a palm collapsed,
The cat keeps doing poo.
The only thing that keeps me sane
Is talking to my shoe.
-- My Shoe
Payday Loan http://www.epaycash.com

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COMMENT

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November 11, 2004
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Hugh Hewitt is still defending dissident Republican Senator Arlen Specter, this time in The Weekly Standard. And he thinks Zell Miller’s tirade against the Democratic Party, A National Party No More, should be required reading for Republicans drunk on power. What will happen if the GOP burns its heretics? The same thing that happened to the Democrats.

Fast forward four years. The Democrats have convened in late summer in Cleveland to nominate former Virginia governor Mark Warner and Senator Barack Obama. It is the third night of the convention, and the Democrats have chosen as their keynote speaker . . . Arlen Specter. Or Olympia Snowe. Or Chuck Hagel. Or some other GOP big who has grown disgusted with his or her inability to have any influence on Republican deliberations. So they have bolted, bringing a message that their party breached its pledge to govern with the interests of the entire country in mind.
This may be a nightmare scenario for most people who read The Weekly Standard. But if liberal-moderate Republicans bolt the GOP for the Democrats, hey, that’s fine with me. It will make the Democrats both larger and saner. Everyone wins...except the Republicans. It's up to them. Do I think they'll do the right thing? Naah. Jane’s Law is still on the books.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at November 11, 2004 07:06 PM

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While Hewitt has, barely, convinced me, it is only because the Catholic Bishops have not yet more firmly come out against pro-choice politicians.

Catholics generally are in favor of big, intrusive, paternalistic gov't (high spending); against war (though accepting "just war"); and pro-life. As the Dems continue to purge themselves of any pro-life persons, the Catholics move towards the Reps.

The Dems might well gain sanity, soon, on Iraq and the need for democracy. In fact, they could easily start pushing pro-democracy action in Sudan, Congo, Zimbabwe; Palestine, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran. And Iraq, too, after their Jan. elections. (You'll revert to a happy Dem, then.)

The Dems are much less likely to accept God, and reject abortion.

But Dems might well accept Federalism -- letting the states decide on gay marriage, AND on abortion and other "private" acts. I think CA and NY already had legal abortion before Roe -- if Roe is overturned and the law-making power is returned to the states, where it should have remained in 73, the US will have to live with states having different laws -- different cultures.

The US culture is changing. More gay friendly -- more abortion unfriendly. As more pictures of the truth of abortion are shown, and especially partial-birth baby murders, more young women will turn against it.

Interventionism or Isolationism is a bit moral, but more coldly cost-benefit. At $200 bill more, and a loss of some 1200 American live, I support Iraqi Freedom. My support would be much less were it 12 000 -- though I would ALWAYS support the goal of democracy in Iraq, or of China.

Selfish abortion, rather than adoption (and wiser abstinence?), is a more pure moral issue. In the USA today, there's no real good reason for any American women to kill her unwanted fetus, rather than give birth and put the baby up for adoption. In Poland, where abortion is illegal, there are some couple of hundred legal abortions each year, for the health of the mother.

The USA would be surprisingly little changed if all the red states were allowed to adopt Polish laws on abortion. This allowance can come either through an explicit amendment, or thru SC changes. Most think SC changes the easier route. (I'd personally prefer the amendment route, "marrying" all private sex issues together and stating they are all state issues.)

Posted by: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad at November 12, 2004 12:36 AM
Tom Grey: You'll revert to a happy Dem, then

I wouldn't count that chicken just yet. The second half of Jane's Law is still on the books, too.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 12, 2004 01:47 AM
The Republicans will have little to worry about if they limit their anti-abortion (and gay marriage) advocacy to states rights remedies. Most people feel comfortable with this sort of compromise. They just don’t want judges deciding these matters.

Posted by: David Thomson at November 12, 2004 02:25 AM
I think the Repubs should let Specter be the Chairman. I mean, what's so wrong with Specter as judiciary chairman anyway.

The GOP survived Dem obstructionism. They survived McCain's "disloyalty".

They can survive a Specter Chairmanship too.

Posted by: john marzan at November 12, 2004 03:24 AM
Question:

How would denying Specter the chairmanship over a single committee, one that has power over something where Specter is clearly not aligned with his own party, be analogous to the GOP burning its heretics, or be analogous to the Democrats basically squelching the entire pro-life wing of their own party?

Posted by: Gerry at November 12, 2004 05:58 AM
Gerry, on a purely tactical front, having Specter in the chair would allow the Republicans to tack toward the center, while assuring the theocons that they'd really nominate God-Firsters, if only that Evil Arlen wouldn't be such an putz.

And what's beautiful about this is Bush himself can come out in support of Arlen (as he has in the past) without jeapordizing his re-election chances, because, well, Bush is done. So the Republicans get a more moderate reputation where they need it, and the God-Firsters can start planning for 2008.

Not my preferred strategy, but I can see it being effective.

Posted by: Mark Poling at November 12, 2004 06:27 AM
Perhaps you all should read a little more about the objections to Specter - they don't all focus on abortion, although that is important to many in the discussion. But at the top of the list is his opposition to things like tort reform and his approval for judicial activism rather than restraint on a whole host of issues. This position runs counter to core Republican values and while it overlaps with the concerns of religious Republicans on the matter of abortion, it goes much farther than that. So this is nothing like the left "burning it's heretics". It's folks within the party asking the party to make sure that it gives the chairmanship of a crucial committee to someone who supports key values of the party that cross over many issues.

Any by the way, why all the trashing of religious people and values here - you guys have bad experiences with church or Christians growing up? I'm getting awfully tired of reading every day about how I must be stupid, bigoted and wanting to take away your civil rights. This site is better than that - Michael, I expect better than that from you and I also expect a higher level of discourse from your commenters. Those who think that all Christians are just ignorant, uneducated theocrats should just write for the New York Times (Oh wait, they already do!)

Priscilla

Posted by: Priscilla at November 12, 2004 07:06 AM
Since Jane Galt's real name is Megan, maybe it should be called "Megan's Law."

Posted by: Steve at November 12, 2004 07:37 AM
But Megan calls it that! The problems of becoming famous under a pseudonym (I started out as Tigger, then OldTigger, now just boring me.)

Here's what she says on her site (reviewed for the insane part!):

Jane's Law: The devotees of the party in power are smug and arrogant. The devotees of the party out of power are insane.

And Michael, the Dems are maybe a year away from finding a Zell Miller pro-war, anti-cuts, anti-God, anti-insanity leader. I think Jane's law is great for use in a self-negating prophetic sense. A reality check.

If you're in power, are you smug and arrogant? Hugh suspects the anti-Specter folk are, too much.

If you're out, are you insane? As long as Dems support Dean, and Mssr. Moore, they are.

When Jeff Jarvis says the Swifties are "smearing" Kerry, who refuses to sign form 180 for the truth -- Jeff is insane. But usually Jeff is great.

Michael too.

Posted by: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad at November 12, 2004 07:54 AM
I was one of the first supporters of the "pass on Specter" call, but now I am in favor of giving him the chair. To me, it was never about the issue and his position, and always about party loyalty. It is one thing to say, "I urge the President to not base his nominations on Roe" and a whole different thing to say "When you talk about judges who would change the right of a woman to choose, overturn Roe v. Wade, I think that is unlikely" you are in a different realm.

With Specter's assurance that he will back the presidents nominations, my problems have been assuaged. Both sides win -- he will get his chair, and it is clear to renegades who want to hijack the party (a much bigger issue than Roe) have been given a clear message.

Posted by: Phelps at November 12, 2004 10:07 AM
Purge is rather strong. We're not talking about kicking him out of the Senate, just denying him chairmanship of a particular committee.

I'm a pro-choice Republican, and I don't want Specter to head the Judiciary committee. Not b/c of Roe/Wade, but b/c I think he's a spineless unprincipled weasel.

Posted by: Lee Willis at November 12, 2004 10:30 AM
Tom Grey -- you seem to be familiar with details of the Catholic Church. I'm thinking this may indicate you are Catholic, and if so, I'm wondering how you, other Catholics, and the U.S. Catholic Bishops relate to the church's teaching on the death penalty, and on Catholic politicians who support it. I understand that there is a difference in importance to given to church teachings on, say, on tax policy or welfare reform, as opposed to its teachings on abortion, which directly deals with the fundamental sanctity of life. But I'm not so sure why capital punishment isn't also a fundamental issue in the same way.

Posted by: Markus Rose at November 12, 2004 10:40 AM
Catholics have traditionally very often voted on "social justice" issues (gov't spending they feel will alleviate poverty) over restrictions on abortion.

They have always had to choose what issue carries the most weight.

Posted by: Attila Girl at November 12, 2004 12:44 PM
Priscilla wrote: "Any by the way, why all the trashing of religious people and values here - you guys have bad experiences with church or Christians growing up?"

Personally, I try not to trash anyones religious ideas. However, I do take umbrage with any religous person who seeks to impose their ideas on others.

My general statement to the Christian Right is:

If you believe abortion is wrong, don't have an abortion. If you don't believe in stem cell research, then don't take advantage of any scientific discoveries associated with it. If you don't believe in gay couples... don't hook up with a member of the same sex.

All that Christians have are ideas about what they think is right. Other people who are not christian (or christians of a different ilk) have different ideas about what is right. It's folly for anyone to impose their ideas on everyone, that goes for Christians, muslims, Liberals and the rest.

Posted by: Ratatosk at November 12, 2004 01:28 PM
"What will happen if the GOP burns its heretics?"

Let's not get all hysterical and shriek a lot of exaggerations, um-kay?

Nobody is burning anyone. Specter is the chair of other Senate committees. No one has suggested that he be deposed from those committees, have they?

This is one committee, with great importance, especially in light of the recent attempts of the Gay Mafia to use the courts to shove fundamental changes in America down the throats of Americans.

All we're saying is that for this committee, given these stakes, Specter can't be trusted.

Now, if Sir Hagel, the nincompoop (have you ever listened to this guy speak?) wants to join Ron ("I'm a traitor to my dad") Reagan and speak to the party of Michael Moore and Jimmy Carter, then well, as they say ... let's get ready to rumble.

Posted by: paul a'barge at November 12, 2004 01:46 PM
Specter is the chair of more than one committee????? That's just plain wrong.

Posted by: Alan K. Henderson at November 12, 2004 02:46 PM
A guy votes for one Republican in his life and thinks his advice is valuable to Republicans. He may duck but I won't that there's hypocrisy afoot. After all didn't he vote for a Dem legislature claiming he wanted to tie things in knots. Specter's his man. Well, well.

Posted by: NoSale at November 12, 2004 06:25 PM
Tom Grey> California's abortion laws were signed by Governor Reagan (how is that for irony).

Oddly enough Arlen Specter did oppose Bork, but he supported Clarence Thomas's nomination and took Antia Hill to task. So did Alan Simpson who is pro-choice up until birth, while Specter is pro-choice until the third trimester.

Personally, I don't care too much about Specter's view on abortion. I don't think the GOP will actually change abortion laws in this country unless we want Nancy Pelosi as Speaker. As long as we maintain the status quo on abortion, the GOP has an issue to rally its base and pro-choice fiscal conservtaives can vote Repblican without any fear. Of course Jane's Law implies that such conventional wisdom is ignored.

I personally don't care much for abortion, but I think proibition is about as useful as giving Michael Moore an Atkins Diet book. I say we should ease adoption laws and one reason I support gay adoption is that it will result in reducing abortions. My only cocnern is that children need both male and female role models, so at most I think a same sex couple should provide a role model of opposite gender for the kid, as some things in child rearing are better served with a male or female perspective. I was raised by my mother (I had a weekend dad though) and there were some things in my upbringing best done by a father.

NoSale> Mike is not a Republican and I would undoubtedly disagree with him on many fiscal issues, but he has seen what makes him feel disaffected by the Democrats, and sees it as possible with the GOP. His advice is good advice regardless of whetehr I agree with Mike or not on policy decisions. I am glad I do disagree with Mike on some issues as it reassures me I'm an individual, and if I were to travel to Portland, I know who I'd look up first.

Posted by: Green Baron at November 13, 2004 05:39 AM
Here's the deal:

I don't want Bush to get tough on Specter. I want him to instead, get tough on some of the disloyal CIA spooks, whose brazen insubordination have violated all standards of honorable public service.

read david brooks column for more info

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/13/opinion/13brooks.html?oref=login&hp

Bush and the GOP should let Specter have the Chair position, but he should use his election mandate to fix the CIA and clean out the garbage.

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November 11, 2004
The GOP Purge
Hugh Hewitt is still defending dissident Republican Senator Arlen Specter, this time in The Weekly Standard. And he thinks Zell Miller’s tirade against the Democratic Party, A National Party No More, should be required reading for Republicans drunk on power. What will happen if the GOP burns its heretics? The same thing that happened to the Democrats.

Fast forward four years. The Democrats have convened in late summer in Cleveland to nominate former Virginia governor Mark Warner and Senator Barack Obama. It is the third night of the convention, and the Democrats have chosen as their keynote speaker . . . Arlen Specter. Or Olympia Snowe. Or Chuck Hagel. Or some other GOP big who has grown disgusted with his or her inability to have any influence on Republican deliberations. So they have bolted, bringing a message that their party breached its pledge to govern with the interests of the entire country in mind.
This may be a nightmare scenario for most people who read The Weekly Standard. But if liberal-moderate Republicans bolt the GOP for the Democrats, hey, that’s fine with me. It will make the Democrats both larger and saner. Everyone wins...except the Republicans. It's up to them. Do I think they'll do the right thing? Naah. Jane’s Law is still on the books.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at November 11, 2004 07:06 PM

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While Hewitt has, barely, convinced me, it is only because the Catholic Bishops have not yet more firmly come out against pro-choice politicians.

Catholics generally are in favor of big, intrusive, paternalistic gov't (high spending); against war (though accepting "just war"); and pro-life. As the Dems continue to purge themselves of any pro-life persons, the Catholics move towards the Reps.

The Dems might well gain sanity, soon, on Iraq and the need for democracy. In fact, they could easily start pushing pro-democracy action in Sudan, Congo, Zimbabwe; Palestine, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran. And Iraq, too, after their Jan. elections. (You'll revert to a happy Dem, then.)

The Dems are much less likely to accept God, and reject abortion.

But Dems might well accept Federalism -- letting the states decide on gay marriage, AND on abortion and other "private" acts. I think CA and NY already had legal abortion before Roe -- if Roe is overturned and the law-making power is returned to the states, where it should have remained in 73, the US will have to live with states having different laws -- different cultures.

The US culture is changing. More gay friendly -- more abortion unfriendly. As more pictures of the truth of abortion are shown, and especially partial-birth baby murders, more young women will turn against it.

Interventionism or Isolationism is a bit moral, but more coldly cost-benefit. At $200 bill more, and a loss of some 1200 American live, I support Iraqi Freedom. My support would be much less were it 12 000 -- though I would ALWAYS support the goal of democracy in Iraq, or of China.

Selfish abortion, rather than adoption (and wiser abstinence?), is a more pure moral issue. In the USA today, there's no real good reason for any American women to kill her unwanted fetus, rather than give birth and put the baby up for adoption. In Poland, where abortion is illegal, there are some couple of hundred legal abortions each year, for the health of the mother.

The USA would be surprisingly little changed if all the red states were allowed to adopt Polish laws on abortion. This allowance can come either through an explicit amendment, or thru SC changes. Most think SC changes the easier route. (I'd personally prefer the amendment route, "marrying" all private sex issues together and stating they are all state issues.)

Posted by: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad at November 12, 2004 12:36 AM
Tom Grey: You'll revert to a happy Dem, then

I wouldn't count that chicken just yet. The second half of Jane's Law is still on the books, too.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 12, 2004 01:47 AM
The Republicans will have little to worry about if they limit their anti-abortion (and gay marriage) advocacy to states rights remedies. Most people feel comfortable with this sort of compromise. They just don’t want judges deciding these matters.

Posted by: David Thomson at November 12, 2004 02:25 AM
I think the Repubs should let Specter be the Chairman. I mean, what's so wrong with Specter as judiciary chairman anyway.

The GOP survived Dem obstructionism. They survived McCain's "disloyalty".

They can survive a Specter Chairmanship too.

Posted by: john marzan at November 12, 2004 03:24 AM
Question:

How would denying Specter the chairmanship over a single committee, one that has power over something where Specter is clearly not aligned with his own party, be analogous to the GOP burning its heretics, or be analogous to the Democrats basically squelching the entire pro-life wing of their own party?

Posted by: Gerry at November 12, 2004 05:58 AM
Gerry, on a purely tactical front, having Specter in the chair would allow the Republicans to tack toward the center, while assuring the theocons that they'd really nominate God-Firsters, if only that Evil Arlen wouldn't be such an putz.

And what's beautiful about this is Bush himself can come out in support of Arlen (as he has in the past) without jeapordizing his re-election chances, because, well, Bush is done. So the Republicans get a more moderate reputation where they need it, and the God-Firsters can start planning for 2008.

Not my preferred strategy, but I can see it being effective.

Posted by: Mark Poling at November 12, 2004 06:27 AM
Perhaps you all should read a little more about the objections to Specter - they don't all focus on abortion, although that is important to many in the discussion. But at the top of the list is his opposition to things like tort reform and his approval for judicial activism rather than restraint on a whole host of issues. This position runs counter to core Republican values and while it overlaps with the concerns of religious Republicans on the matter of abortion, it goes much farther than that. So this is nothing like the left "burning it's heretics". It's folks within the party asking the party to make sure that it gives the chairmanship of a crucial committee to someone who supports key values of the party that cross over many issues.

Any by the way, why all the trashing of religious people and values here - you guys have bad experiences with church or Christians growing up? I'm getting awfully tired of reading every day about how I must be stupid, bigoted and wanting to take away your civil rights. This site is better than that - Michael, I expect better than that from you and I also expect a higher level of discourse from your commenters. Those who think that all Christians are just ignorant, uneducated theocrats should just write for the New York Times (Oh wait, they already do!)

Priscilla

Posted by: Priscilla at November 12, 2004 07:06 AM
Since Jane Galt's real name is Megan, maybe it should be called "Megan's Law."

Posted by: Steve at November 12, 2004 07:37 AM
But Megan calls it that! The problems of becoming famous under a pseudonym (I started out as Tigger, then OldTigger, now just boring me.)

Here's what she says on her site (reviewed for the insane part!):

Jane's Law: The devotees of the party in power are smug and arrogant. The devotees of the party out of power are insane.

And Michael, the Dems are maybe a year away from finding a Zell Miller pro-war, anti-cuts, anti-God, anti-insanity leader. I think Jane's law is great for use in a self-negating prophetic sense. A reality check.

If you're in power, are you smug and arrogant? Hugh suspects the anti-Specter folk are, too much.

If you're out, are you insane? As long as Dems support Dean, and Mssr. Moore, they are.

When Jeff Jarvis says the Swifties are "smearing" Kerry, who refuses to sign form 180 for the truth -- Jeff is insane. But usually Jeff is great.

Michael too.

Posted by: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad at November 12, 2004 07:54 AM
I was one of the first supporters of the "pass on Specter" call, but now I am in favor of giving him the chair. To me, it was never about the issue and his position, and always about party loyalty. It is one thing to say, "I urge the President to not base his nominations on Roe" and a whole different thing to say "When you talk about judges who would change the right of a woman to choose, overturn Roe v. Wade, I think that is unlikely" you are in a different realm.

With Specter's assurance that he will back the presidents nominations, my problems have been assuaged. Both sides win -- he will get his chair, and it is clear to renegades who want to hijack the party (a much bigger issue than Roe) have been given a clear message.

Posted by: Phelps at November 12, 2004 10:07 AM
Purge is rather strong. We're not talking about kicking him out of the Senate, just denying him chairmanship of a particular committee.

I'm a pro-choice Republican, and I don't want Specter to head the Judiciary committee. Not b/c of Roe/Wade, but b/c I think he's a spineless unprincipled weasel.

Posted by: Lee Willis at November 12, 2004 10:30 AM
Tom Grey -- you seem to be familiar with details of the Catholic Church. I'm thinking this may indicate you are Catholic, and if so, I'm wondering how you, other Catholics, and the U.S. Catholic Bishops relate to the church's teaching on the death penalty, and on Catholic politicians who support it. I understand that there is a difference in importance to given to church teachings on, say, on tax policy or welfare reform, as opposed to its teachings on abortion, which directly deals with the fundamental sanctity of life. But I'm not so sure why capital punishment isn't also a fundamental issue in the same way.

Posted by: Markus Rose at November 12, 2004 10:40 AM
Catholics have traditionally very often voted on "social justice" issues (gov't spending they feel will alleviate poverty) over restrictions on abortion.

They have always had to choose what issue carries the most weight.

Posted by: Attila Girl at November 12, 2004 12:44 PM
Priscilla wrote: "Any by the way, why all the trashing of religious people and values here - you guys have bad experiences with church or Christians growing up?"

Personally, I try not to trash anyones religious ideas. However, I do take umbrage with any religous person who seeks to impose their ideas on others.

My general statement to the Christian Right is:

If you believe abortion is wrong, don't have an abortion. If you don't believe in stem cell research, then don't take advantage of any scientific discoveries associated with it. If you don't believe in gay couples... don't hook up with a member of the same sex.

All that Christians have are ideas about what they think is right. Other people who are not christian (or christians of a different ilk) have different ideas about what is right. It's folly for anyone to impose their ideas on everyone, that goes for Christians, muslims, Liberals and the rest.

Posted by: Ratatosk at November 12, 2004 01:28 PM
"What will happen if the GOP burns its heretics?"

Let's not get all hysterical and shriek a lot of exaggerations, um-kay?

Nobody is burning anyone. Specter is the chair of other Senate committees. No one has suggested that he be deposed from those committees, have they?

This is one committee, with great importance, especially in light of the recent attempts of the Gay Mafia to use the courts to shove fundamental changes in America down the throats of Americans.

All we're saying is that for this committee, given these stakes, Specter can't be trusted.

Now, if Sir Hagel, the nincompoop (have you ever listened to this guy speak?) wants to join Ron ("I'm a traitor to my dad") Reagan and speak to the party of Michael Moore and Jimmy Carter, then well, as they say ... let's get ready to rumble.

Posted by: paul a'barge at November 12, 2004 01:46 PM
Specter is the chair of more than one committee????? That's just plain wrong.

Posted by: Alan K. Henderson at November 12, 2004 02:46 PM
A guy votes for one Republican in his life and thinks his advice is valuable to Republicans. He may duck but I won't that there's hypocrisy afoot. After all didn't he vote for a Dem legislature claiming he wanted to tie things in knots. Specter's his man. Well, well.

Posted by: NoSale at November 12, 2004 06:25 PM
Tom Grey> California's abortion laws were signed by Governor Reagan (how is that for irony).

Oddly enough Arlen Specter did oppose Bork, but he supported Clarence Thomas's nomination and took Antia Hill to task. So did Alan Simpson who is pro-choice up until birth, while Specter is pro-choice until the third trimester.

Personally, I don't care too much about Specter's view on abortion. I don't think the GOP will actually change abortion laws in this country unless we want Nancy Pelosi as Speaker. As long as we maintain the status quo on abortion, the GOP has an issue to rally its base and pro-choice fiscal conservtaives can vote Repblican without any fear. Of course Jane's Law implies that such conventional wisdom is ignored.

I personally don't care much for abortion, but I think proibition is about as useful as giving Michael Moore an Atkins Diet book. I say we should ease adoption laws and one reason I support gay adoption is that it will result in reducing abortions. My only cocnern is that children need both male and female role models, so at most I think a same sex couple should provide a role model of opposite gender for the kid, as some things in child rearing are better served with a male or female perspective. I was raised by my mother (I had a weekend dad though) and there were some things in my upbringing best done by a father.

NoSale> Mike is not a Republican and I would undoubtedly disagree with him on many fiscal issues, but he has seen what makes him feel disaffected by the Democrats, and sees it as possible with the GOP. His advice is good advice regardless of whetehr I agree with Mike or not on policy decisions. I am glad I do disagree with Mike on some issues as it reassures me I'm an individual, and if I were to travel to Portland, I know who I'd look up first.

Posted by: Green Baron at November 13, 2004 05:39 AM
Here's the deal:

I don't want Bush to get tough on Specter. I want him to instead, get tough on some of the disloyal CIA spooks, whose brazen insubordination have violated all standards of honorable public service.

read david brooks column for more info

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/13/opinion/13brooks.html?oref=login&hp

Bush and the GOP should let Specter have the Chair position, but he should use his election mandate to fix the CIA and clean out the garbage.

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