March 20, 2004

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Socialism is dead.

Really.

Oh, sure, its rotting corpse hasn't fallen over yet in Cuba. ¡Socialismo o muerte! is still Fidel Castro's bumper sticker after all these years. It's as old as the cars in Havana. Someone should tell Fidel: Socialismo es muerte.

Spaniards just elected a socialist prime minister. Except they didn't. So sayeth Chris Suellentrop in Slate.

[I]t says something about the state of small-"s" socialism—in addition to the state of the world—that conservatives are attacking Zapatero for his response to terrorism, not his attitude toward capitalism.

Granted, the war in Iraq and the war against al-Qaida are the whole reason the world has been watching Spain so closely for the past week. But there's another reason for the conservative silence about Zapatero's economics: The socialist debate over what to do about capitalism—and the proletariat, and the theory of surplus value, and the ownership of the means of production—is largely over in Europe. If the old libel against American liberals is that they're socialists, the new European libel against socialists is that they're liberals—classical ones. Here are some of the economic promises on which Zapatero's Socialist Workers Party campaigned: lowering the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 30 percent, cutting income taxes, and reducing the value-added tax. Oh, and they're going to balance the budget and control inflation. The man expected to be the Socialist finance minister, Miguel Sebastian, is a U.S.-educated economist with a Ph.D. from the University of Minnesota. He's promising to put his faith in the Invisible Hand. "There will be a strict separation between politics and business," he told the Financial Times. "We will be a market-friendly government." These are socialists?

Nope. They aren't socialists. They just kept the brand name.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at March 20, 2004 12:44 AM
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The great experiment has died?

Good!

R.I.P.

Posted by: gmroper at March 20, 2004 04:39 AM

MJT,

From the article:

The clear message: The era of big socialism is over.

Yeah, and so is history. We know how well that prediction fared.

Time will tell if their actions will match their rhetoric. Even if they believe their own rhetoric, in the end it will prove hollow due to the constant pressure they will face from their constituents to expand the welfare state. Since when have socialists been averse to spreading lies to achieve "peace" and "justice?" Those goals are so worthy, how could they not lie if that was what was necessary to achieve such noble objectives?

Socialists like to claim that because they no longer advocate government control of the means of production, they are no longer socialists. Nothing could be further from the truth. The goal of socialism was never to control production. The goal was to control distribution and achieve distributive "justice." Controlling production was just a means to an end that failed miserably.

So the new strategy is not to control production. The new strategy is to coercively seize the property of those who contribute to society and are rewarded by society through the market mechanism, and redistribute that property to those who fail to contribute to society and therefore earn little in reward.

Socialist rhetoric counts for nothing. Watch their deeds to learn the truth.

Posted by: HA at March 20, 2004 05:38 AM

I'm not sure if I understand your point, but I would hesitate to demonize European social welfare socialism by comparing it to Castro's regime or discrediting out of hand its rhetoric (or use of the brand name). Euro-socialism has been a mixed model, but its true accomplishments ought to be recognized, in particular in areas where the United States has been less than brilliant. Universal health care, a largely egalitarian public school system, universal daycare, and numerous other advantages enjoyed by the average European should not to be spit on. I would also add the vast public infrastructure - transportation, roads, funtioning utility systems, etc. - existing in France, Spain and Germany are admirable.

Of course, there are considerable downsides - stifling of initiative, bloated public service sectors, higher unemployment, demographically unsustainable retirement systems - all of which urgently require reform. The structural inability of Euro-socialist states to reform is likely to be their downfall.

I also agree that there remains less and less difference between the European right and left, other than in the framing of social, economic and political issues. The Euro-left's demogogic and moralistic demonization of neo-liberal pragmatists as uncaring can also be distasteful and plain stupid. But these systems still have much worth preserving (or, for others, emulating) and the institutional inability of European societies to reform runs deeper than merely because of "socialism".

In any event, I would rather judge these models by their actual failings and real accomplishments than by a crude association with centralized totalitarian dictatorships. Isn't that just the flip side of their own caricatures of the U.S. system as "savage capitalism"?

Posted by: Gabriel Gonzalez at March 20, 2004 07:09 AM

Britain's Labour Party does not seem to be nearly as socialist as it was before Thatcher. It too seems to have become more classically liberal.

Posted by: J.R. at March 20, 2004 07:30 AM

Thats mostly true, but there is still a core of old socialists in the party. They are getting older and most of the new members are more aligned with Blair. So they probably wont be around for too much longer.

Posted by: sam at March 20, 2004 08:09 AM

Gabriel, excellent comment. I'd pick nits about the relative strength of the european models of healthcare and education relative to the United States models, but that's what they'd be; picked nits relative to your larger message.

Get a blog; I'll read you.

Posted by: Mark Poling at March 20, 2004 10:06 AM

Gabriel,

Sure, I'm with you. I meant to defend Europe here, not bash it. Maybe that didn't come across.

And I'm with Paul Berman, too.

Also from the article:

As Paul Berman once put it the New York Times, socialism "has modestly shriveled into what it always should have been: an ethical orientation, not an economic how-to guide."
Posted by: Michael J. Totten at March 20, 2004 10:41 AM

Seems to me that "Socialism" these days is starting to resemble old style "progressivism" more and more.

Posted by: FH at March 20, 2004 10:51 AM

Sorry, Michael. My obtusenessness. (Must have been a wrinkle in the superstructure...)

Posted by: Gabriel Gonzalez at March 20, 2004 11:30 AM

I just wish people would call things for what they really are and not bastardize titles and labels. This way as a neo-conservative I can be called for what I truly am truly am, a proselytizing liberal.

Posted by: Samuel at March 20, 2004 11:59 AM

Samuel...

If the definition, YOUR definition, of Neo-Conservatism is to "proselytize" liberalism to every nation in every corner of the world, than YOU can call me a Neo-Conservative any time you want.

I don't think of myself as a NeoCon. I think of myself as a neo-liberal hawk. But who cares about labels?! It looks like we're giving the same definition two different names. On foreign policy at least, we're in total agreement (which is a good thing).

That's how it was with the Cold War: "Cold Warriors" sat on both sides of aisle and constituted a bi-partisan majority in standing up to the Soviets. In the War on Terror, I see no reason why it shouldn't be the same today.

A bi-partisan majority of "Terror Warriors" is really what I'd most like to see develop in this country. When the overly dovish John Kerry cruises to a crushing landslide defeat in November, I'm hoping my fellow Democrats will start to actually sign on to the cause. I long for the day.

Posted by: Grant McEntire at March 20, 2004 01:34 PM

PS...

And about the phenomenon of "European Socialism", they're mostly no different than American neo-liberals in that they've signed on to the Third Way cause.

The only difference is that with the uniquely European history, a history in which socialism is today romanticized with positive sentiment, they still hold on to the official title for its public relations value.

The European love-affair with the U.N. is a whole other matter, however. But on economics at least, the American comparison holds.

Posted by: Grant McEntire at March 20, 2004 01:49 PM

Starting the Gray Party.

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Abolish state marriage. Civil unions for everyone including gays. Get married in the church if you want.

Abortion- legal up until the 19th week. After 19 weeks the fetus is viable. (Flexible on the viable fetus, take a consensus from doctors).

Drugs- Legalize pot and several other drugs. Havent quite got this sorted out. End coke,pot, and smack trade through legalization. Tax the shit out of it to pay for re-hab ect.

Free trade- Modify NAFTA so that competing foriegn corporations have to maintain a minimum wage and human rights standard. Revive the "Made in the U.S.A." campaign.

Taxes- Flat tax across the board, no more class warefare.

Civil rights- Race based affirmative action gone, hello economic based affirmative action, you know so the poor little blonde haired dirt face in southern oklahoma is not discriminated against.

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Anybody with me?

Posted by: mnm at March 20, 2004 02:04 PM

Grant

Yes I like my title, the only problem with neo-liberal hawks is a matter of emphasis. A Neo-conservative is by nature, more moralistic and as such finds it easier to appeal to the sensibilities of religious conservatives on moralistic things. They also have a tendency to be bigger picture and not desiring to allow piddly issues control events.

A neo-liberal hawk is a neo-liberal sympathetic to hawkish foreign policy. A neo-conservative is a Wilsonian foreign policy hawk using neo-liberalism ( free trade ) as a vehicle to achieve such things. In other words, 911 is not needed for a true neo-conservative to focus on such things, it would be needed however for most others both liberal and conservative to achieve such level of focus.

That is what makes neo-conservatives unique and also subject to the charge of empire makers. Also while a neo-conservative would certainly vote for a Joe Lieberman for President, they would not be as inclined vote for a Democrat at the congress level. Why? Because appeasment and blaming America are two things they can't tolerate above all. These two issues the Democrats have owned for a while. When that changes the neo-conservatives will follow.

Posted by: Samuel at March 20, 2004 02:25 PM

Grant, I hate to shake your delusions, but Kerry is going to crush Bush, unless some huge scandal shows up out of nowhere. It is going to be a close election, just like last time. Its going to be a divisive election, probably the most so since 1860/1864.

Posted by: FH at March 20, 2004 04:41 PM

Grant: they still hold on to the official title for its public relations value.

Exactly.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at March 20, 2004 06:07 PM

"Kerry's going to crush Bush"...

Aaaah, I see. That explains Kerry's 10-point drop in favorability ratings in only the past two weeks then, doesn't it. Because he's so overwhelmingly popular with the people, aye?

No one hardly knows a thing about this guy, but they will when Bush outspends him 2-to-1. I'm thinking Kerry's candidacy probably peaked in late February and it's mostly downhill from here.

I'm not gonna rule out your prediction of a tight race, because you may be right. But look at it this way: History's on my side. If anyone's gonna win in a landslide, it's gonna be Bush.

Mondale polled ahead of Reagan at one point, you know, and the economy was worse then than it is now. People vote for strong leaders, divisive or not, and Dubya's maybe the strongest leader to be President since FDR. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Posted by: Grant McEntire at March 20, 2004 06:17 PM

OK, Zapatero and the Spanish Socialists are actually faux socialists, INO. I'm more concerned they will fight a faux War on Terror.

Posted by: Zhombre at March 20, 2004 06:20 PM

Gabriel,

You've noted Euro-socialism's successes and failures. The question is whether the successes will prove sustainable in the long run, or whether the failures will ultimately undermine the successes?

The success of Euro-socialism depends on a healthy economy and demographic base. But Euro-socialism is killing Europe's economic and demographic health. The democratic socialism of Western Europe will in the end fail due to these fundamental contradictions. Just as the authoritarian socialism of Eastern Europe did. It is only a matter of time. The decay has already set in.

Posted by: HA at March 21, 2004 06:09 AM

Grant - how strong is a leader that can't tell people the truth about anything?

Posted by: Mork at March 22, 2004 03:11 PM

Um, don't people know anything about Social Democracy? You can be a socialist and still think that capitalism is a worthwhile economic system. Not every socialist is a marxist. Some of us have stock portfolios and believe that corporate taxes should be reduced to nil.

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