March 18, 2004

More Trouble for Spain?

Spaniards may think they won a reprieve from terrorism, but Lee Smith argues in Slate that there may be more trouble ahead.

If the Spanish electorate believed that committing 1,300 troops to Iraq had needlessly exposed it to the jihadists' ire, it ought to reconsider the 6,000 Spanish forces stationed in Ceuta and Melilla. The Spanish, whose new prime minister is fond of the word "occupation," say there's nothing unusual about having so many troops in Spanish cities. But these cities are not in Spain. Already some Islamist ideologues are beginning to group Ceuta and Melilla together with Palestine and Kashmir as Muslim lands to be liberated.
Ceuta and Melilla are considered by Spain to be a part of Spain. Where they arenít is in Europe. Those cities are in Africa. They are holdovers from Spanish colonialism and are surrounded by the Mediterranean and by Morocco.

Lee Smith doesnít say which Islamist ideologues are demanding the cities back. But since Osama bin Laden has already demanded the southern Spanish region of Andalucia, which is in Europe, it would be strange indeed if Ceuta and Melilla never become targets.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at March 18, 2004 11:28 PM
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Its not Spain. Its Al-Andalus.

Posted by: HA at March 19, 2004 02:40 AM

I am un chien andalusia!!!

Posted by: Grant McEntire at March 19, 2004 03:32 AM

Golden star for anyone who knows just what in the hell I'm referencing, here. Give you a hint...you can go and see them play for the first time in over 10 years starting this April and they'll be in Totten's neck of the woods on April 27.

Posted by: Grant McEntire at March 19, 2004 03:38 AM

Fifty golden stars for anyone who knows just what in the hell THEY were referencing. No hints this time.

Posted by: Grant McEntire at March 19, 2004 03:40 AM

Spanish film director and surrealist Luis Bunuel comes to mind first.

Posted by: Zhombre at March 19, 2004 03:49 AM

They aren't cities. They are islands and Spain and Morocco nearly went to war over them last year until the US mediated a stand down.

Posted by: Reid at March 19, 2004 04:19 AM

Grant,

Google is a wonderful thing.

http://www.foreignfilms.com/films/1492.asp

Posted by: HA at March 19, 2004 04:31 AM

Grant: Yeah, this is too easy nowadays. I have little use for pop culture but I had the answer in mere seconds. So I won't spoil the fun for those who might actually have the answer in their own heads.

Posted by: Citizen Dave at March 19, 2004 04:37 AM

This is ridiculous. Andalusia belongs to the Vandals.

Posted by: Gunderic at March 19, 2004 05:44 AM

Oh, without a doubt Spain will become the new Israel. They have flinched in the face of terrorism and the terrorists will not stop until they have everything they want from the People's Republic of Spain.

Spain can try to open a dialogue as much as they want - it will be pointless. And the thousands that die in the next few years while Islamofacists run all over the nation will be directly because of their inability to stand firm.

Posted by: Roark at March 19, 2004 05:53 AM

Actually, they are not islands. I have been to Ceuta when I went to Morocco three and a half years ago. It is on the Spanish mainland right across the Straits of Gibraltar from Algeciras, the ugly Spanish port city near Gibraltar.

Melilla is a far more isolated city east of Ceuta (and fairly close to where the earthquake recently struck Morocco) on the African coast. Reid is thinking of Isla de Perejil (Parsley Island) which is uninhabited. I doubt if the Moroccan military would have attempted to have taken Ceuta and Melilla, both of which originated as forts, are still significant military installations (Ceuta in particular is a spot for illegal immigrants for Africa to try to slip into to get to Spain. Ceuta originally was a Portuguese fort) for if they had they would have been squashed flat.

Posted by: Randy Paul at March 19, 2004 06:42 AM

"I am un chien andalusia!!!"

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Posted by: djramone at March 19, 2004 07:13 AM

Somos los angeles de exterminando y queremos los paises perdidos.

Posted by: Al-Zhombre at March 19, 2004 07:39 AM

No queremos vivir mas, porque el senor Bush nos enoja tanto.

Posted by: Jim at March 19, 2004 07:41 AM

I note,somewhat groggily, through my morning coffee ritual, that two tiny burgs in Africa can still be referred to as "holdovers of Spanish colonialism" while the Moorish invasion, conquest and 700 year occupation of "Al-Andalus" is never referred to as "fantasy remnants of Muslim colonialism". Oh,yeah, only bad white men from Europe and American can be colonialists. Everyone else on the planet stayed home and sang Kumbaya til THEY appeared. Sorry,I'm awake now. By the way, does anyone in the class know the dreadful colonialist tale of two islands just off our North American Coast which are still held by FRANCE?

Posted by: sm at March 19, 2004 07:55 AM

St. Pierre & Miquelon/

Posted by: Randy Paul at March 19, 2004 08:14 AM

Spain does not belong to the Vandals! It belongs to the Visigoths! The Vandals were just passing through! North Africa belongs to the Vandals.

Posted by: eric at March 19, 2004 08:40 AM

I had thought Martinique is one, and isn't it an actual department of France?

Posted by: Zhombre at March 19, 2004 08:42 AM

Spain's only hope is that they are more racist against Arabs than we are by a long shot. That may save them in the end.

Posted by: David at March 19, 2004 08:45 AM

What is this - pre-emptive gloating?

Posted by: RoguePlanet at March 19, 2004 08:54 AM

Rogue,

I little bit of 'I told you so' never hurt anybody.

Posted by: David at March 19, 2004 08:56 AM

David: Spain's only hope is that they are more racist against Arabs than we are by a long shot. That may save them in the end.

You know, that really isn't necessary at all. I have Arab friends and co-workers, but you don't see me putting up with this terrorist crap for a second.

I argue with them about some of this stuff, but it helps that they're closer to my point of view than you probably think they are.

One of my former co-workers, who is from Iraq, is far more hawkish than I am.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at March 19, 2004 09:25 AM

To all those who say Spain hasn't committed an act of cowardly appeasement, call me after the 1300 troops they are removing from Iraq arrive in Afghanistan.

And to all those who decry Bush's "unilateralism", how is it possible that we just lost an ally if Bush was acting unilaterally?

And I'm sure our so-far stalwart allies like the UK and Australia feel real good about being called by Kerry a "fraudulant" coalition. If Kerry is elected, we will lose our real allies while he kisses the asses of the phony ones. If Kerry gets elected, Blair and Howard will be screwed. And our only ally left will be Israel. Kerry will probably screw them too because of the rampant anti-Semitism of the left.

But have no fear. Our new "allies" like Chirac, Zapatero and George Galloway will stand shoulder-to-shoulder with absolute resolve. Won't they?

Posted by: HA at March 19, 2004 09:45 AM

Michael, that's why we'll ultimately win the war on terror. America is a lot more accomodating to people of other cultures than the other countries I've been to (including Spain, where I stayed several months), and a lot more than many people are willing to admit.

For that reason, we have a lot less unassimilated immigrants -- and less of a chance of homegrown foreign terror that I'm afraid we'll see a lot of in Europe.

Posted by: Matt at March 19, 2004 10:07 AM

I am announcing the formation of the CMLF (the Ceuta and Melilla Liberation Front)!!!!

We will take back our homeland from the infidels colonizers.

Any joiners!>?!?!!?!?

Posted by: Tom at March 19, 2004 10:34 AM

You know, that really isn't necessary at all. I have Arab friends and co-workers, but you don't see me putting up with this terrorist crap for a second.

That's because you may be particularly enlightened compared to the norm.

I would say the norm consists of being anti-terrorist to the point of racism on the one hand, or on the other hand liking arabs and "having arab friends" to the point of apologizing for arab terrorism.

Remember the recent poster whose opinion of palestinian terrorism was based on the emotional argument that he sits next to a "very nice" palestinian man at work? That's what I mean. People are so stupid, that if they know a couple of Arabs they like, they'll apologize for arab terror. Or, alternatively, they're so stupid that if they hate terrorism, they hate all Arabs.

In Spain's case, I hope they prove to be an example of the latter stupidity, not the former.

Posted by: David at March 19, 2004 10:42 AM

And to all those who decry Bush's "unilateralism", how is it possible that we just lost an ally if Bush was acting unilaterally?

This may prove too logical for them to answer, and we know logic isn't their forte. They will simply ignore it.

Posted by: David at March 19, 2004 10:45 AM

What does ETA learn from all this?

"Wow, there's our problem. We haven't been killing enough Spaniards."

Posted by: Christopher Luebcke at March 19, 2004 10:54 AM

We had lots of allies before we invaded Iraq; Bush has taken great care to alienate as many of them as possible.

The word "unilateral," as it is used to criticize Bush, does not of course mean that we take action without assistance. It means that we take action without consultation, then ask for (and possibly receive) assistance, and we do it outside the framework of international institutions.

Posted by: Kimmitt at March 19, 2004 10:57 AM

I was in Andalusia 4 years ago. This thread reminds me a little of a hazy morning I walked to a café in Ronda still groggy when a big dog jumped on me from behind. I was startled and kept repeating “down!” until I realized it didn’t speak English. Cafe es necessario todas las mananas.

Posted by: d-rod at March 19, 2004 11:10 AM

This is one of the most informative articles I've read on the implications of the Spanish appeasement. Those who see it as no big deal or as just a result of Spanish help in Iraq are deluded. They project rationality onto an irrational enemy.

I am very thankful today I was born in America. Getting away from this kind of millenia-old grudge-and-greivance mentality is probably a big part of why my ancestors endured such hardship to come here.

Two things are clear - 1) Europe, at least as generally democratic pluralistic society(ies) is doomed, and 2) we must de-fang Islam before it takes over Europe in the next generation or two.

Posted by: meen at March 19, 2004 11:13 AM

Kimmit : pls define "consultation" and "framework of international institutions".

Tom: I'd join up with you on the CMLF thing but I've already booked with a Crusade to Liberate Jerusalem and establish a movie theater showing the Gibson movie 24/7.

Posted by: Zhombre at March 19, 2004 11:21 AM

It means that we take action without consultation, then ask for (and possibly receive) assistance, and we do it outside the framework of international institutions.

Kimmitt,

I appreciate your taking a shot at it. You mean this whole time Bush "going it alone" was only a figure of speech on your part?

Nonetheless, your response is based on the false premise that somewhere in the United States Constitution is says we must first go through Kofi Annan other "international institutions" to tend to our national security interests. It's also based on the false premise that somewhere in the U.N. charter it says we need their permission to take action in our own defense.

These are premises you and your side have been attempting to peddle for almost two years now, and nobody has bought it.

Posted by: David at March 19, 2004 11:35 AM

Not to mention Resolution 1441 was all the "consultation" we needed to take action even had your premises been factual.

Posted by: David at March 19, 2004 11:36 AM

It's also worth noting that among the people who would be most disappointed if Spain were to return Cueta and Melilla would be the thousands of Moroccans who shop there every day.

At the land border between Morocco and Ceuta, there was a huge line of Moroccans entering Ceuta. I asked someone if they would be continuing on to Spain and I was told that prices for Moroccans are much better in Ceuta than Tanger.

As we were heading toward Tetouan in a bus, I noticed that there were a number of official vehicles marked "Douane" (customs in French) pulling cars over, cars which were piled high with what appeared to be recent purchases.

Posted by: Randy Paul at March 19, 2004 11:40 AM

"By the way, does anyone in the class know the dreadful colonialist tale of two islands just off our North American Coast which are still held by FRANCE?"

North American Coast, sure, but more accurately, off the Canadian Coast. Off Newfoundland, to be exact.

Posted by: Stu at March 19, 2004 12:47 PM

Stu,

St. Pierre and Miquelon. Canada has butted heads with the French over fishing quotas. More from the CIA World factbook:

The inhabitants have traditionally earned their livelihood by fishing and by servicing fishing fleets operating off the coast of Newfoundland. The economy has been declining, however, because of disputes with Canada over fishing quotas and a steady decline in the number of ships stopping at Saint Pierre. In 1992, an arbitration panel awarded the islands an exclusive economic zone of 12,348 sq km to settle a longstanding territorial dispute with Canada, although it represents only 25% of what France had sought. The islands are heavily subsidized by France to the great betterment of living standards. The government hopes an expansion of tourism will boost economic prospects. Recent test drilling for oil may pave the way for development of the energy sector.

Posted by: Randy Paul at March 19, 2004 01:18 PM

Wow. From Luis Bunuel, the great Spanish surrealist, to insignificant French-Canadian islands in one thread. Fascinating. And I never knew that 'douane' meant customs in French. I thought it translated as surly civil servants expecting bribes.

Posted by: Zhombre at March 19, 2004 01:23 PM

Randy Paul - yeah, I know. Je suis Canuck.

Posted by: Stu at March 19, 2004 02:15 PM

"We had lots of allies before we invaded Iraq; Bush has taken great care to alienate as many of them as possible."

I for one am sick of comments like this. We asked, practically begged for help from our so called allies in Europe before the war started. Some got on board some refused. The trouble started when France not only refused to help but willfully took sides against us. You don't want to help, fine stay out of the friggin way. Imagine if France was the victim of a 9/11 type attack and in the prosecution of the war on terror decided to invade Iraq. Do you think the left would have been critical of France? I seriously doubt it. Further if France asked for our help and we refused, you'd never hear the end of it from the left. France and Germany abandoned us in our hour of need. To tell you the truth, I dont really care if they helped or not except that, you know, it was us who bailed France out in WWII and it was us who stood between europe and the expansionist soviet union for 40 years. Im convinced that if it had been 10 years instead of 1 year that the wall came down, europe would not have helped in Gulf war I. But hey that was 15 years ago, why bring up old shit.

Notice they all stood in line when it was reconstruction contract time, and then bitched when they didnt get any. The left was outraged of course. What a crock.

Posted by: mnm at March 19, 2004 03:45 PM

"they all stood in line when it was reconstruction contract time, and then bitched when they didnt get any"

Front of the line, Canada, the ambassadors of bad will towards americans all over the world. Thanks Canada.

Posted by: mnm at March 19, 2004 04:56 PM

OT

Michael Kinsley said that a gaffe is when a politician inadvertantly tells the truth. Well it looks like John Kerry made a huge one:

Asked if he would vote against the $87 billion if his amendment did not pass, Kerry said, "I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That's irresponsible."

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/Politics/tapper_kerry_040319-1.html

The man didn't just flip-flop. He pre-emptively condemned his own vote. I wonder when Bush will start airing this in his ads?

Posted by: HA at March 19, 2004 07:08 PM

Confucius says:

He who purchases peace with precious things today, is in danger of losing things most precious tomorrow.

When has appeasement ever worked?

Posted by: Samuel at March 19, 2004 10:32 PM

James Lileks strikes gold on this one:

http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/lileks031704.html

copying and pasting the URL may be necessary.

Posted by: Salamantis at March 20, 2004 07:53 PM

Nonetheless, your response is based on the false premise that somewhere in the United States Constitution is says we must first go through Kofi Annan other "international institutions" to tend to our national security interests.

The Constitution does not say, "The US shall not engage in shitty foreign policy." It says, "The people of the US shall have the right to fire the assholes who engage in shitty foreign policy."

You see our national security interests. I see a stupid, counterproductive war sold on trumped-up intelligence and a basic degredation of our democratic principles. I'll see you at the ballot box, and it is my sincere hope that you will abide by the result.

Posted by: Kimmitt at March 21, 2004 12:00 PM

When has appeasement ever worked?

It's not appeasement to insist that, after Pearl Harbor, the US declare war on Japan rather than Brazil.

Posted by: Kimmitt at March 21, 2004 12:02 PM

It's not appeasement to insist that, after Pearl Harbor, the US declare war on Japan rather than Brazil.

Then why is it that eleven months later US troops were making war on Vichy France in Morocco?

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