March 17, 2004

Right-Wing Bigotry Alive and Kicking

I donít want anyone telling me this isnít bigotry:

DAYTON, Tenn. ó Rhea County commissioners unanimously voted to ask state lawmakers to introduce legislation amending Tennessee's criminal code so the county can charge homosexuals with crimes against nature.

"We need to keep them out of here," said Commissioner J.C. Fugate, who introduced the motion.

County Attorney Gary Fritts also was asked by Fugate to find the best way to enact a local law banning homosexuals from living in Rhea County.

This is so blantantly unconstitutional it has almost no chance of ever taking effect. Itís indicative of a certain kind of mind-set, even so.

How, exactly, do these people expect to implement this law should it ever come to pass? Would there be a central database somewhere that keeps track of all the gay names? Would property be confiscated?

What, I might ask, would conservatives think if Berkeley tried to pull a stunt like this to keep Christians out?

This is worse, actually, than mere bigotry. This is the sort of religious control freakery I expect to see in Iran.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at March 17, 2004 07:47 PM
Comments

While I don't condone bigotry and discrimiantion I feel a bit uneasy comparing christianity with homosexuality. Maybe it's just old conservative me.

Posted by: marek at March 17, 2004 08:07 PM

Yeah, that's flat-out bigotry. No question. But why is it "right-wing"?

Posted by: wing nut at March 17, 2004 08:30 PM

blink

Um... why?

I mean, I do too... but that's because homosexuality has never caused any significant harm to the world at large. Somehow I doubt that your point is along these lines.

Posted by: grs at March 17, 2004 08:31 PM

But why is it "right-wing"?

Please.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at March 17, 2004 09:03 PM

I would expect this kind of thing from the Taliban. I hope these guys get hammered, HARD. There is a difference between debating the merits and legality of SSM, and debating whether homosexuals should have the right to even live somewhere.

And how the hell do they propose to figure out whether someone is homosexual or not? Ugh.

Forget right-wing, how about just plain authoritarian?

Posted by: FH at March 17, 2004 10:19 PM

FH: Forget right-wing, how about just plain authoritarian?

No. Here's why.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at March 17, 2004 10:29 PM

Ok, Michael, you and Andrew convinced me on that one.

Posted by: FH at March 17, 2004 10:53 PM

Wow. Just...wow.

Posted by: Grant McEntire at March 17, 2004 11:01 PM

An hour and a half later and I'm still speechless. Want to say something. Don't even know where to begin.

It's stuff like this that makes me want to move to another state. And I don't even live in Tennessee, I live in Indiana. Tennessee's located too close to Indiana in moments like these. How's Oregon this time of year, Michael?

Posted by: Grant McEntire at March 18, 2004 12:44 AM

Grant: How's Oregon this time of year, Michael?

It's just lovely. The air is warmer, the flowers are out, and the sun makes appearances. The weather in your state is brutal. I know. I lived in the Midwest.

Oregon is a whole different cultural ball of wax from Indiana. I think you would find Portland very refreshing.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at March 18, 2004 01:08 AM

First, you are absolutely right that this is anti-gay bigotry; and authoritarian/ "right wing"/ Christian oriented.

However, to claim, like Sully does, that this is NOT a legislative response to judicial (& mayoral) activism -- please. It's a culture war battle.

Most importantly, remember there was insufficient political debate when the "Roe vs Wade Abortion Amendment" was added to the US Constitution, NOT by states' & Congressionally elected representatives.

Christianity's pro-life anti-abortion position was, by judicial fiat (after some 7 states had legalized it), overruled. Christians are still fighting this, and have been booted out of the Democratic party over it. (Where else to go except the Reps?)

What more can pro-life, pro-Christian folk do? Well, anti-gay is more legislatively possible now than anti-abortion, so that's one place where anti-abortion frustration can be, and is being, redirected. Gay marriage is the current spear tip in the whole culture war.

I don't think this is so hard to understand, nor even so unreasonable. Wrong, yes, because it's overbalanced anti-gay. Yet this is an affirmation that hetero couples who can create life through sex are fundamentally unequal to gay couples who cannot. I think this as scientifically valid as the fact that a fetus has different DNA than its mother from the moment of conception.

What these facts mean, legislatively, should be the focus of the political debate; but the pro-gay position of full equality in coupling is just false.

Personally, as mentioned on other threads, full civil union/ dom. partnership legal issue equality is the right balance for me, LESS than "marriage", but not much less.

As a quick aside, I wrote on my own blog about Zapetero's huge threat to Bush -- if he decides, once in power, to stay the course in Iraq and be even tougher than Aznar on terrorism. Showing that it's possible to change horses, not in midstream, but in mid-marathon like the pony express. So the WoT, the most important gov't action, becomes a wash between Rep & Dem.

In my mind I was almost thinking about why you, Michael (the secularist), will vote Kerry in Nov, due to the culture war at home.

Posted by: Tom Grey at March 18, 2004 01:32 AM

I seriously could not belive that when I read it.

How bigoted.....I mean really HOW bigoted.

Gays have become the Rights new Jews / blacks / insert minority group they can't attack anymore due to social changes.

As a Brit observer of US politics (blindingly obvious point coming but bear with me) it seems to be a constant that some US Rightists are so much more extreme then our homegrown variety.
If a member of the Conservative Party had done that they would have been drilled out of it so fast their feet wouldn't touch the ground anf their career would effectively be over.

I know US parties are less cohesive, but really, aren't the GOP going to discipline these losers or am I missing something here and that regionally / nationally this won't play badly for the GOP?
And if thats the case doesn't that speak volumes for the attitiude of many Americans? (And not in a good way).

(I'm not saying Britain is better in this respect - we do have a chap doing life for nail bombing gay pubs after all)

(I also like my political information/education/pointers to come from locals as it were)

Great Blog BTW

Back to Work (sigh)

Neil

Posted by: Neil W at March 18, 2004 02:11 AM

Dammit! I'm headed to Memphis for the weekend, guess I'll have to keep my two gay siblings in the closet, cuz', you know, if I have gay sibs then I'm probably sympathetic to gay rights and its just a short slide down the slippery slope from there to requiring all people to have gay relationships in their lives.

On a more hopeful note: can we all take some solace in the fact that in today's world these sorts of disgusting views find their way more quickly into full public view where they can be treated accordingly?

Posted by: steve at March 18, 2004 03:50 AM

I'm sorry our boys are giving their lives to defend these people. I can't wait until these people end up grinding their teeth away at night because they are required by law to recognize gay marriages the same as they do straight ones.

One of my best friends is gay and was going to vote for Bush until Bush pulled the anti-gay marriage move. Now he's simply not going to vote. I'm not there yet, but I'm going to keep an eye on Bush vis-a-vis these kind of nuts. If he winks at them even once, I'll probably be sitting out the election.

A bad situation. My friend and I know that Bush represents our best chance of not getting killed by Islamists, and of liberating millions of people in the Third World. But one simply cannot vote for sleaze.

Posted by: Jim at March 18, 2004 05:18 AM

sigh The thing about these posts is the recurring theme of how obviously wrong these people in Tennesee are. Hey, I'm only 47, and I can say with some confidence that this story would've raised nary an eyebrow from the rank and file of America perhaps 30 years ago. Probably more recently than that in most places. (Sorry MJT and Grant, I'll take Indiana and Iowa over the Pacific Northwest any day. Its just California with rain up there) Now, one of Y'all might try to assert that this "shows how far we have come" (no pun intended) in the last thirty years.I'm not so sure. I'm up here in Liberal-ass Boston, and in my very blue collar culture this article would get responses like, "good for them, too bad they'll never to be able to make it fly". That attitude is still out there (Its just gone underground) and more common than some might think.
Now, the 20 somethings I know have a different view. They are largely indifferent to the whole thing. I guess y'all just need to wait for everyone over say..45 to finally die off and then you'll have your perfect world. Good friggin' luck.
Y'know, I was in the Marines with a guy named J.C. Fugate from Tennesee, No lie!!...things that make you go hmmm

Oh by the way..bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
I'm intolerant of those who want to destroy the American way of life, like Islamo-fascists. So I guess that makes me a bigot. Or, to paraphrase Mark Twain, "everybody's a bigot about something, only different subjects"

Posted by: Citizen Dave at March 18, 2004 05:34 AM

I read a news report on this; I love the quote by the county commissioner: "We need to keep them out of here."

This is, I note, the same county where they had the Scopes 'monkey' trial in 1925. And, apparently, they still have a festival of some sort to commmemorate it.

Looks like things don't change much in some places.

Yeesh, what a media circus this is going to be.

Posted by: eric at March 18, 2004 05:34 AM

Such laws as are being advocated by the people of Dayton TN were on the books virtually everywhere in the US for our first 150 years. Were we all "bigots' for that century and a half? Of course not. Those of us who cling to the beliefs of our forefathers are likewise not bigots. We are simply not quite so ready to refute the beliefs of our immediate ancestors and meekly accept a hugely radical change in our culture.

Attitudes began to change when women got the right to vote. The female political influence in the past 60 years has resulted in an increasingly "feminized" outlook on social issues such as homosexuality. Societies ruled by all men are harsh, and so we treated gays harshly. Women are mitigating that harshness and gays are being treated better these days.

What will be the end product? Who can say, but the better we treat homosexuality, the more of it we will see in our culture. I tend to think that is a bad thing.

As a nation, we better hope our enemies in the world also are increasingly influenced by feminism. World history provides no guidance as to whether a "feminized" nation can withstand attacks by more traditional male-dominated cultures.

Posted by: Arial at March 18, 2004 06:13 AM

I grew up in the deep south. I lived for 4 yrs in TN. Most (not all) everyone I went to church with in Knoxville and Nashville would support this line of legislation. I don't. For many christians, this is a moral issue that they are trying to legislate. You cannot legislate morality, because whose morality is the correct one. I'll be glad when people can differentiate between the law of the land (our constitution) and religious law.

Posted by: Jim M at March 18, 2004 06:20 AM

Ariel,

The radical change in this county in Tennessee is the law being
proposed. It implies snooping pro-actively into peoples private
lives to determine whether or not someone is gay. It is counter
to any principle of personal freedom and privacy that I can
think of.

Posted by: bob at March 18, 2004 06:39 AM

Arial, the fact that harsh attitudes towards gays are on the wane in this country is "feminization" in accident only. Essentially, it is rational, just as the abolition of black-white segregated drinking fountains was.

Reason sees cuts that can be made. It sees a distinction between macho vigor (of the kind we need to defend our country) and hatred of gays. It sees a distinction between a threat to a way of life and an acceptance of eccentricity. It sees a distinction between encouraging homosexuality and accepting its inevitability. In view of these things, I think we'll need very good evidence that homosexuality is not hard-wired in but socially caused, before we accept the notion that accepting homosexuality will cause an increase in the incidence of the phenomenon and crash the birth rate.

Posted by: Jim at March 18, 2004 06:55 AM

By FDA rules, homosexuals are forbidden from donating blood. Does this strike you as "right -wing bigotry"? If not,why not?

Posted by: Jim Long at March 18, 2004 07:06 AM

I don't understand your aggressive manner here ("I don't want anyone telling me this isn't bigotry" -- who's telling you that?). If I read your post correctly, you believe conservatives as a group are complicit in this sort of behavior. "Where are the conservatives on this one?" you seem to ask.

A couple points. First, this story is a day old. How many people know about it? It's a bit rich to imply people are ignoring a story they don't know about. Second, this is a bumpkinville story, sorry. Don't expect Shields and Brooks to waste their time on it. I don't think that makes them execrable bigots.

Lumping mainstream conservatives with people who commemorate the Scopes monkey trial is no different than lumping liberals with communists. How about showing some perspective.

Posted by: Michael Timmins at March 18, 2004 07:16 AM

Why can't the Democrats find a reasonable candidate that admits we are at war and promises to fight it? I don't want to vote for the party that promotes this kind of crap. Whither Lieberman?

Posted by: Bill B. at March 18, 2004 07:16 AM
"We need to keep them out of here," said Commissioner J.C. Fugate, who introduced the motion.

When I first read this, I thought it must be a misquote, or a partial quote, or something taken out of context. That's certainly not unheard of in the media, especially when the person being quoted is perceived by the reporter as being a bigot. A partial quote will often help cement that opinion in the mind of the reader.

I'm still not convinced that this isn't the case. But personally, I'm against any law that makes it illegal to be a homosexual.

Now (strange how the mind jumps, isn't it) is it equally wrong to track convicted sex offenders? What if they are homosexual?

Posted by: Pious Agnostic at March 18, 2004 07:24 AM

***Arial, the fact that harsh attitudes towards gays are on the wane in this country is "feminization" in accident only. Essentially, it is rational, just as the abolition of black-white segregated drinking fountains was.***

Funny how slavery was "rational" for centuries. As have been the admonitions against homosexuality. You must think that you are suddenly living in an age of "rationality" and enlightnment that your ancestors were too dimwitted to perceive.

One of the most humbliing lessons that a truly dedicated historian learns is that every new generation considers itself oh so much wiser than the previous. Each succeeding generation tends to exagerate the vices in its predecessors and virtues in itself. I tend to think that our current generation has taken that phenomenon to the next level. Michael's youthfully impetuous comments generally serving as superb illustrations.

Posted by: Ariel at March 18, 2004 07:36 AM

Ariel,

The best term I know of which encapsulates the tendency you are talking about is "temporal chauvinism". It implies that each generation seems to believe it wiser than the previous and somehow immune from the follies of the past. It's kind of a natural force in youth and has both good and bad effects.

I would argue that a bad effect is the denial that we are at war.
People, particularly young folks, have problems accepting the fact that our society is not immune from catastrophe and that people in the world are driven by religious ideology that goes back over a thousand years.

I would also argue that a good effect is precisely young folks tolerance of homosexuality. Thirty years ago homosexuals were tormented in high-schools. They were ostracized and physically abused. Imagine being a parent of such a child. Why should any child have to go through that? This kind of legislation legitimizes the worst kind of bigotry. Like black kids going to school in Selma or in South Boston, homosexual kids will be targeted as scapegoats. Would you want this for your
child?

Posted by: bob at March 18, 2004 08:09 AM

Does this piece of legislation have any chnce of passing? It could be that these commissioners are playing to their voting base, a couple of people upthread have said that this would be a popular move in the region. So the commissioners vote to send this amendment to the state legislature to get people to support them.

Even if they actually want this move to pass, they have to know that actually enforcing it would be difficult and expensive. Does anyone know anything about Rhea County? Population, budget, size etc. It might give some insight into how serious these commissioners are taking this.

Posted by: sam at March 18, 2004 08:13 AM

Tom Grey,

I don't see how your argument that this is conservative anger over Roe vs. Wade being redirected makes the conservatives look any better. BTW, are you opposed to the Supreme Court in general, or only when it makes decisions you don't personally like?

Yet this is an affirmation that hetero couples who can create life through sex are fundamentally unequal to gay couples who cannot.
You seem a little confused about the concept of equality. The law does not require that people be equal, as the obviously are not, but that they be treated as if they were. Would an infertile heterosexual couple be "equal" to a homosexual couple in your bizarre world of breeding equivalence?

I think this as scientifically valid as the fact that a fetus has different DNA than its mother from the moment of conception.
Huh? WTF does this have to do with anything? I assume this is a backhanded swipe at abortion, so allow me to point out that it is a meaningless statement. It's simply an attempt to fetishize DNA and use it as a pseudo-scientific stand in for the soul.

Posted by: Smokey at March 18, 2004 08:14 AM

From Jim: "It (reason) sees a distinction between encouraging homosexuality and accepting its inevitability"

I'm really not trying to be immflamatory here, but couldn't one make the argumaent that we should accept the "inevitability" of Islamic domination? or of communism, or of yes, any sort of religious fundamentalism, or any one of a whole bunch of things.

One could write a pretty convincing teatise which asserts that hey,its all just part of the ebb and flow of history, get over it. It was our turn for a while there, and now its theirs. Rome anyone?

One might ask, "Well,what about WWII? Did England "accept the inevitablity" of German domination? One might reasonably argue that it would've prevented a lot of English bloodshed, and kept their island from having the crap bombed out of it." Sounds like a voice of reason to me.

My point is, of every issue there are two or more sides. Gays want to be mainstream. Other people oppose this. They fight it out, somebody wins and yes, the other side loses. They lose. That's history. The world changes. But whether for the better or not is debatable.

On that I'm with Arial: "What will be the end product? Who can say, but the better we treat homosexuality, the more of it we will see in our culture. I tend to think that is a bad thing"

Jim, I grasp the concept that if homosexuality is "hardwired" then cultural acceptance or rejection is moot. But we don't know this yet.

That gays should be mainstream is not a self-evident truth. The left have become masters of the rhetorical skill of portraying all their positions as such. Hence any opposition is not
debatable. You can't debate a self-evident truth, right? That is why the left, (for me anyway) is so easy to hate. That's right hate. Not disparage, distain, denigrate, vilify, or oppose.

Posted by: Citizen Dave at March 18, 2004 08:20 AM

I live about an hour north of Rhea County in Knoxville, and this story is getting a lot of play around here as well.

My comments on this story from http://lasthome.blogspot.com :

I just have one question: if by some wild chance this criminal code amendment ever passed, how could it be proven that two homosexuals were living together? How do you prove someone is or is not homosexual in a court of law?

I had male roommates all through college - a total of seven of them, actually. We all lived together in dorms or off-campus housing over the span of about three years - none of us were homosexual (that I know of) and several of us had girlfriends or dates at various times over those three years (one became my wife, as a matter of fact). Will same-sex roommates be banned in Rhea County, just in case?

I kiss my son goodnight, and probably will for a good number of years to come. Will that be outlawed, just in case?

There's obviously no biological test for homosexuality, so no medical examination would be anywhere near conclusive.

Sounds to me the only possible way to enforce this ban would be to base arrests on rumor and gossip - and finger-pointing by piouser-than-thou neighbors....

"Officer, I seen 'em....those two boys sharin' that apartment next door! They's goin' up to the commun'ty college but I seem 'em leave ever morning, and come home about the same time. Sometimes they's other fellers comin' in and leavin' at wierd hours - they's strange noises comin' from over there - hootin' and hollerin' and carryin' on, wearin' the same orange-colored clothes and bringin' in beer and who knows what all - seems to 'bout the same time the Vols is playin on the telebision but 'spect they's just using it to mask their evil, fornicatin' ways.. You know what they's doin' in their, officer, go do yer duty and keep decent people like me safe from the likes a' them Godless heathens! Oh, by t' way...that nice family down the hall, I saw the dad kissin' his little 12-year-old son on the cheek right before he went to work t'other day....better get him, too - best not to take any chances...."

Posted by: Barry at March 18, 2004 08:24 AM

Arial,

As a nation, we better hope our enemies in the world also are increasingly influenced by feminism. World history provides no guidance as to whether a "feminized" nation can withstand attacks by more traditional male-dominated cultures.

You know, I thought it might be a mistake when the army announced that they would be changing our uniform camouflage to shades of pink and teal. And the new combat skirts? Sure, the freedom of movement is great, but they don't provide much protection for your legs. But what I really worry about is the new Flower Power Defense strategy. As you say, only time will tell.

Posted by: Smokey at March 18, 2004 08:26 AM

Citizen Dave,
I don't agree with you on the topic of whether or not gays should be mainstream. But I am definitely with you on the whole idea of "inevitability". The idea that any change in society is inevitable is anathema to me because it undermines any possibility of free will and individual choice. In this debate I hope that the side I support wins, but if we don't I will not believe that our loss was inevitable.

Posted by: sam at March 18, 2004 08:43 AM

Citizen Dave,

I find your arguement of "we don't know" that homosexuality is hardwired somewhat specious. Basically what you are saying is that until we are wise enough to understand at the neural level the causality of homosexuality than the jury is out and we all can go to our reflective corners and live within our own biases.

Forget the term "hardwired". Let's use the term "determinisitic": that homosexuality is caused by interplay of genetics and environment. Personally, based on anectotal and personal experience I think that is a stretch, but let's for the moment say environment has some impact. The point is that no one raises their kid to be gay. You know full well that there are families where one child is gay and all others are straight and they all were raised in the same house, with the same rules, with the same biases. If environment has anything to do with sexual orientation, the subtelty and complexity of this is way beyond our capacity to understand it. For all purposes, we are so primitive in our understanding of the origins of human behaviour we are generations, perhaps centuries away from a clear understanding of what are its origins. In other words, the situation is moot and there is not a darn thing we can do about it.

Meanwhile, there are generations of children to raise by parents who love their kids and wants to give them all an equal and fair chance in life regardless of whether they are straight or gay. Look at Vice President Cheney's or Dick Gephardt's daughters. Where do they fit into your society?

Posted by: bob at March 18, 2004 09:03 AM

We need to keep them out of here," said Commissioner J.C. Fugate, who introduced the motion.

So they're going to keep gay people from being born. How? I thought religious conservatives were against abortion.

Seriously, this type of thing is just so disgusting. I've never been ashamed to be associated with the right until now. The anti-same sex civil marriage amendment and the monolithic and unqualified defense by virtually all conservatives of the Mel Gibson movie changed me. Now this, granted it's only Tennessee, but Andrew Sullivan makes a good point. None of the "mainstream" social conservatives are going to criticize this bit of judicial activism at all, yet they'll immediately pounce on any state or city that recognizes gay couples' rights to civil marriage. If it wasn't for my strong support for the position that the Republicans have taken on the war on terror, I would probably vote for Green or Libertarian candidates or something (Democrats are almost equally lame on these kinds of social issues). I no longer call myself a Republican or a conservative and it's all because of stuff like this. The religous right/social conservative segment of the party has just gotten too powerful. I hope it's just a matter of time, and as the older generation dies off the more PJ O'Rourke type conservatives can take over.

Posted by: Eric Deamer at March 18, 2004 09:06 AM

Ariel, when you suggest that believing in the rightness of slavery was rational, you veer toward pure moral relativism, relativising morality to historical period. What you say entails that there is no reason to think that the abolition of slavery was based on solid reason. Moral relativism is a non-starter.

So, what are you arguing? That we be cautious and humble in making changes in our traditional values? I'm with you there. But if you're arguing that accepting gays is not a cautious enough move, then where's the argument? Otherwise, you're begging the question.

Posted by: Jim at March 18, 2004 09:29 AM

I don't care if homosexuality is hardwired or not. Let's say it isn't hardwired. Let's just say it's a choice (although I do not think that it is.) Now you'll understand why I compared gays to Christians (as opposed to black people).

Christianity isn't hardwired. It's a choice. But that's no excuse to ban, beat up, or discriminate against Christians.

And the reason I called conservatives out on this is because every time we argue about gay marriage I am told that right-wing anti-gay bigotry doesn't exist.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at March 18, 2004 09:31 AM

Citizen Dave, when I said "inevitable," I meant that it is inevitable that there will be gay people, not that we will accept them.

Don't complain to me about leftist nonsense. I'm a conservative.

Posted by: Jim at March 18, 2004 09:31 AM

***I would also argue that a good effect is precisely young folks tolerance of homosexuality. Thirty years ago homosexuals were tormented in high-schools. They were ostracized and physically abused. Imagine being a parent of such a child. Why should any child have to go through that? This kind of legislation legitimizes the worst kind of bigotry. Like black kids going to school in Selma or in South Boston, homosexual kids will be targeted as scapegoats. Would you want this for your
child?****

Bob, very thoughtful comments. The parents of every child who is in any way "different" are frequently put throught much misery. No thinking compassionate individual wishes that upon someone else.

Treating homosexuals with civility and compassion is a given in my worldview. That goal can be accomplished however without necessarily elevating gay sexual behavior to the same level of acceptance as hetero behavior.

How can I draw a distinction between the two, say you? I don't draw the disctinction. I simply listen to the breath of history. Virtually every civilization every studied has condemned overt homosexual behavior as somehow inimical to that society's longterm interests. It almost seems to be a "group instinct" to frown on homosexual behavior. Given the historical length and breadth of this condemnation, it seems to me that we would be wise not to suddenly veer off into total acceptance without somewhat better evidence that we aren't actively destroying our social underepinnings.

Posted by: Ariel at March 18, 2004 09:49 AM

More anti-gay fun from the right.

Posted by: Phil at March 18, 2004 09:49 AM

Maybe they Rhea County commissioners can talk to the folks at AdBusters about how to identify the wrong kind of people, eh? /sarcasm

Posted by: Michelle at March 18, 2004 10:04 AM

Sigh. The proposal is stupid, but so is characterizing Fugate's proposal as part and parcel of "a tidal wave of anti-gay legislation", as Andrew Sullivan does. I also note that nobody has yet presented evidence that Fugate is a Republican; hence the code words "right-wing" and "conservative".

Posted by: Pat Curley at March 18, 2004 10:17 AM

Questions for the group:

1. If I think homosexuality is a deviant lifestyle, is that bigoted?

2. If I think that the practice of homosexuality is a sin, is that bigoted?

3. If I think children should be raised in a traditional, husband/wife family, and not by a gay couple, is that bigoted?

4. If I think that homosexuality is partially directed by incidences of molestation, is that bigoted?

5. If I think that the idea of "gay marriage" is itself a ridiculous Orwellian twisting of language to suit political ends, is that bigoted?

6. If I think that "equal protection of the laws" cannot be taken literally, else we have no distinctions in the law at all (like separate sex bathrooms), is that bigoted?

7. If I think that sexuality is basically hardwired in our brains, but that significant deviation can occur (as in other brain functions) from environmental factors, is that bigoted?

8. If you try to pass a law based on collective morality, like Thou Shalt Not Kill, is that bigoted?

9. Is is it bigoted to have laws, regulations, and codes reflecting morality? Does this mean that other laws reflecting morals like fiduciary responsibilities should be abolished also?

Posted by: Sydney Carton at March 18, 2004 10:19 AM

Pat Curley:

38 states passing laws to deny recognition of civil marriages between same sex couples.

A proposed constitutional Amendment to eliminate the right of any state to recognize same sex marriages or even gay civil unions.

Now this.

You're right, maybe it's not a tidal wave, more like a tsunami.

Posted by: Eric Deamer at March 18, 2004 10:21 AM

Eric, I don't buy that. If the court in Massachusetts had not discovered a right to gay marriage, none of those laws would have been enacted. IOW, the laws now being passed banning gay marriages are reactive. The Rhea County laws are pro-active (not meaning that in a positive sense).

I agree that the Rhea County proposal is awful. I don't agree that banning gay marriage is the same thing, or even remotely comparable. Andrew is trying to conflate the two for his own purposes.

Posted by: Pat Curley at March 18, 2004 10:30 AM

But why is it "right-wing"?

Please.

Michael, this answer of yours indicates that you have bigotry yourself. Do you KNOW the Rhea County commissioners aren't Democrats? Local politics is different, y'know, and rarely falls into our cookie-cutter expectations

Posted by: Ash at March 18, 2004 10:44 AM

if by some wild chance this criminal code amendment ever passed, how could it be proven that two homosexuals were living together?

This law, if passed, would never take effect. The ACLU, Lambda, HRC and other organizations are poised to file an injunction immediately. After Lawrence v. Texas, states can't do this - which they probably know, and which clarifies this is just being done to appeal to the bigots of Rhea County, Tennessee.

Posted by: Mithras at March 18, 2004 10:52 AM

Do you KNOW the Rhea County commissioners aren't Democrats?

Is there also a law that says Democrats can't be right wing?

Posted by: Mithras at March 18, 2004 10:53 AM

Given the usual biases of the Media, I'd bet that Fugate is a Democrat, because he's not described as a Republican. I think if he was a Republican, it would have been pointed out already.

I could, of course, be wrong, but that's how I filter the news these days.

Posted by: eric at March 18, 2004 10:54 AM

If the right-wing bigots are Democrats, it doesn't undercut the validity of Michael's point. Actually, it reinforces it by demonstrating how such sentiments cut across party lines.

Posted by: Mithras at March 18, 2004 10:59 AM

(((Each succeeding generation tends to exagerate the vices in its predecessors and virtues in itself. I tend to think that our current generation has taken that phenomenon to the next level. Michael's youthfully impetuous comments generally serving as superb illustrations.)))

Well said Arial. Totten is no more immune from the flippant and shallow accusation than most bloggers. Must go with the territory.

Posted by: QueBall at March 18, 2004 11:25 AM

Sidney, I think the answer to all your questions is "No, it's not bigoted." But to be unable to tolerate the presence of gays in one's community is bigoted.

Queball, Ariel's comment simply begs the question as to whether acceptance of gays is right or not. Making the charge of generational hubris gets you nowhere. You could say that the abolition of slavery was merely owing to generational hubris. Of course, then you end up with mere moral relativism, which is totally implausible. Conservatism would then shake hands with moral relativism. Strange bedfellows.

Posted by: Jim at March 18, 2004 11:36 AM

List of Rhea County Commissioners:

(From http://www.naco.org/Template.cfm?Section=Find_a_County&Template=/cffiles/counties/county.cfm&id=47143)

Jimmy Barnes Commissioner
Terry Broyles Commissioner
Bobby Burton Commissioner
Thomas Davis Commissioner
Gene Dunn Commissioner
Harold Fisher Commissioner
J.C. Fugate Commissioner
Ronnie Raper Commissioner
Ralph Rice Commissioner
Jimmy Wilkey County Executive

Note, Jimmy Barnes was absent from the meeting.

Also, there's a special meeting called for tonight (Thursday) for "clarification"...

Posted by: Barry at March 18, 2004 11:52 AM

Barry, Your vignette on how the enforcement might play out is such a HOOT! reminds me of the joy I felt when I could see North Carolina in my rear view mirror when I left there for good a couple years ago.

Sam: I didn't say that homosexuality should or should not be mainstream. I simply said that it is not self evident, as the left would have me believe.

Bob: My argument isn't specious because it isn't an argument at all. I just made an unsupported statement. Assuming that we will never know with absolute certainty whether it is "deterministic" (that terms works for me) or not; society (whatever that is) still needs to arrive at some sort of consensus on how homosexuality will be assimilated into the mainstream. Or not. There will be losers and winners.

Jim: Distinction noted.

Posted by: Citizen Dave at March 18, 2004 11:54 AM

Hi Ariel,

"Given the historical length and breadth of this condemnation, it
seems to me that we would be wise not to suddenly veer off
into total acceptance without somewhat better evidence that
we aren't actively destroying our social underepinnings."

A while ago I wrote off an email to Andrew Sullivan making
a somewhat similar arguement. My arguement was that
the gay marraige issue was going much too fast, not from
your perspective that Western Civilization could fall
apart, but from a realpolitic point of view: i.e. that forcing gay
marraige into a national debate was premature and would
cause backlash. Society can only assimilate change at
a certain pace and pushing things too far too fast can cause
backlash and unintended consequences. I cited the degree
of tolerance and understanding that we've acheived over
the past twenty or thirty years and think it is good and worth
preserving.

That being said, there is a different from slowing the pace of
change down or even putting on the brakes, then what is
being proposed in Tennessee, which for all purposes is
codifying in law all the bigotry that we have slowly been
nursing our society away from. These folks should be
be ashamed of the way they are behaving.

Posted by: bob at March 18, 2004 12:39 PM

This is not a true right-wing perspective. The right-winger holds the freedom principle as the highest principle in ordering society.
In order to enforce this, the law would need to cross the line of acceptable reach, and violate the basic freedoms that America is built on. This is a law that would be impossible to enforce.

So, no, this is not right-wing, this is anti-freedom. Rememberm MJT, libertarians are on the right, anarchists on the left. This is authoritarian, as another wrote, not "right".

Posted by: Bleeding heart conservative at March 18, 2004 12:45 PM

If the right-wing bigots are Democrats...

Can't there be left-wing bigots?

Bigotry is orthogonal to the left-right axis.

Posted by: Ash at March 18, 2004 12:57 PM

Citizen Dave,
"Sam: I didn't say that homosexuality should or should not be mainstream. I simply said that it is not self evident, as the left would have me believe."

Okay, thats a fair point. Any argument that is assumed to be self evident by those making it is usually just going to annoy people.

Posted by: sam at March 18, 2004 01:17 PM

Yup..

Thats bigotry.

Every single person on that city council needs to lose their job.

There is a large distance between the issue of gay marriage and outright hatred and fear of homosexuals.

I oppose gay marriage (for reasons I have detailed before) but bigots like these do nothing to help my side of the argument which is not anti-gay but rather traditional pro-marriage.

The far right is often like the far left - they do more harm to their "cause" by their extremism than the other side could ever do.

::sigh::

Posted by: Roark at March 18, 2004 01:21 PM

From the AP story:

The state senator who represents Rhea County, Tommy Kilby, D-Wartburg, said Wednesday he hadn't seen the resolution and couldn't comment on it until he did.

Emphasis added.

This "far right" county found itself able to elect a Democrat to the State Senate. Be nice if the story listed the party affiliations of the Commisioners, too.

Having said all that, I'm ashamed that the Republican party wants to waste so much energy on gay bashing (the rest of Andrew's post is better documented) when there are important things to worry about.

Posted by: Mark Poling at March 18, 2004 01:26 PM

Dictionary definition of Bigot: "One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."

I would argue that America is chock full of bigots of all stripes and persuasions. By definition, strong conservatives and liberals are bigots. Is it against the law for elected officials to hold strong opinions? Seems like a pretty judgmental bunch on this board. Maybe even bigoted? Roark, I thought better of you!

Posted by: probity at March 18, 2004 01:31 PM

It seems Rhea County is a right wing version of Berkeley or Boulder or Cambridge or any of the other "Peoples Republics" here in the US.

Posted by: Reid at March 18, 2004 02:50 PM

"This is worse, actually, than mere bigotry. This is the sort of religious control freakery I expect to see in Iran."

Shucks, Michael, I was really with ya till I got to the end there. I would suppose that we can expect beheadings for adultry to begin any day now? What's really funny is, you people are claiming that Bush "stole the election" from Tennessee's favorote son, Al Gore. Of course, big Al don't hail from Dayton, thank gawd.

But, it's sure been a long time since a liberal has had even half a shot at the White House... who wasn't from the South, that is. Sheesh, what are you all gonna do if Kerry gets crushed in a landslide by another southern, homophobic, highass Christian moralist hick like Bush? Are ya'll gonna somehow "get religion" yersefs so ye can ah git back in thuh White House?

:)

Posted by: Marc S. Lamb at March 18, 2004 03:29 PM

I know gays who are against the idea of gay marriage does this automatically make them right-wing bigots?

Posted by: syn at March 18, 2004 05:04 PM

I think Roger Simon is right in thinking we need to get beyond this left-wing right-wing thing. The old rules no longer apply.

Posted by: Babe Ruth at March 18, 2004 06:07 PM

"I know gays who are against the idea of gay marriage does this automatically make them right-wing bigots?"

Well, I know straight people who are against marriage, period. Does this make them automatically right-wing bigots? No. But they believe that marriage is a social construct and therefore unnatural. If the Rhea County folks want to expel all gays because of their "unnatural" behavior, then perhaps these same folks should also expel all married couples for being in an unnatural relationship.

Posted by: Rafael Robert Delfin at March 18, 2004 06:28 PM

"But they believe that marriage is a social construct and therefore unnatural."

Do they believe that clothing is unnatural? Afterall, leaves are natural. My fleece pullover is not.

These people in TN are crazy.

Posted by: linden at March 18, 2004 07:16 PM

Those people are pretty crazy, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are Democrats-- certain areas of the South are very odd, and conservative Democrats who are fiscally liberal and very socially conservative are very common in such places. Most of the most extreme antigay folks I know are Democrats, actually. (I'm from NC.) That's partially because the same folks who are very antigay also still associate the Republican Party with Reconstruction.

Their state senator is a Democrat. In fact, with a little bit of searching I found that their County Commissioner races are officially non-partisan:

Rhea County hasn’t had a partisan commission race in over two decades.

It's also a dry county, of course.

Posted by: John Thacker at March 18, 2004 08:01 PM

BHC:

"This is not a true right-wing perspective. The right-winger holds the freedom principle as the highest principle in ordering society."

Right-wing means oriented towards the past. Any position which involves either maintaining ties to the past or actively moving in the direction of the past can be accurately described as "right-wing." This is true regardless of the actual merits of the proposal.

Posted by: 2dave at March 18, 2004 08:24 PM

Linden: please, please, please don't paint all people in Tennessee by the same broad brush. In fact, although the state's general lean is conservative, you'll find more politically diverse a population East to West than you would believe. East Tennessee, especially rural E.T. is particularly conservative, Middle Tennessee nearer to Nashville is more middle of the road, and West Tennessee near Memphis can tend to get quite liberal (but not THAT liberal). Again, it seems to be the rural communities where these things tend to run amok - in response to the Alabama "Ten Commandments" controversy, several counties surrounding Knox recently passed "God Amendments", officially acknowledging the Christian God as creater of the U.S., but the measure was defeated in Knox County. Depends on where you are.

Posted by: Barry at March 18, 2004 09:29 PM

John T: Historically, many local races in Tennessee are nonpartisan. However.... ;)

The recent mayoral race in Knoxville was nonpartisan, but it was very clear which candidate was the Republican and which was the Democrat. The Republican won.

However, again...

The recent County Commission races were partisan - when Tennessee had their primary a couple of months ago, I voted in the Democratic primary and had to declare a party. As such, I was prevented from voting between two Republican candidates for County Commission - who were running unopposed by Democrats, in my own district!

So, I basically had no say in my local County Commission race. If I'd felt the CC race were more important than the Democratic Presidential Primary, I probably would've marked "Republican" just to have that choice.

Posted by: Barry at March 18, 2004 09:34 PM

Barry-- historically in North Carolina many local races were nonpartisan precisely because the Democratic primary otherwise decided the election, and it got to be silly. The real fighting was between the conservative and moderate and liberal Democrats in the primary.

Posted by: John Thacker at March 18, 2004 11:20 PM

Christianity isn't hardwired. It's a choice. But that's no excuse to ban, beat up, or discriminate against Christians.

You're right, but banning prayer in gov't schools paid for, primarily, by Christian taxpayers increases the anger; as does excluding public Christ from Christmas.

Anger is no excuse for any beating up of gays; which still happens, too often. And yes, it's bigotry, and it's why bigotry has such a bad name.
But isn't if funny how little those on the left ask, at all seriously, why do bigots hate gays?

I think there are a LOT of bad/ silly/ lousy reasons, especially in terms of individual freedom and human dignity. But there's a very basic, selfish, fairly good civilization promoting issue -- children & grandchildren.

I want my kids to be straight, and I want them to marry and have kids, so I'll have grandkids. Yeah, yeah, what if they're infertile, what if they don't marry; what if they're gay. I'll still love them and want the best for them; also if they were blind or missing a limb or retarded (I really do thank God they're not). When it comes to having kids, being (/acting) gay means fewer.

(support for Ariel & bob & Citizen Dave) especially the obvious: supporting homosexual behavior is likely to increase that behavior.

Most folk have a human identity model where some gays are born that way, and some learn that behavior in the environment. More acceptance means more learning to be gay. Whether this is 2%/4%, or 4%/2%, or 5.9%/0.1% (of gays born/ influenced), almost doesn't matter. It is HIGHLY unlikely that any definitive study will determine acceptable numbers. [Consider whether 5.6% unemployment is good or bad; or even "real"]

What is the balance, what lines are to be drawn, how much police violence is too be used to enforce the lines legislated?

(Smokey, ... why bother? comment on my site and we can troll/ fisk, if you wish)

Posted by: Tom Grey at March 19, 2004 03:22 AM

More acceptance means more learning to be gay.

hahahaha...

dude, you've never met a real gay person in your life

hilarious...

Posted by: mic at March 19, 2004 05:08 AM

Some good news:

"TENNESSEE

County drops plan to outlaw gays

The county that was the site of the Scopes ``Monkey Trial'' over the teaching of evolution Thursday reversed its call to ban gay people.

Rhea County commissioners, meeting in Dayton, took about three minutes to retreat from a request to amend state law so the county can charge gay people with crimes against nature. The Tuesday measure passed 8-0."
_________

So perhaps the claims that Tennesseans are homophobic rednecks are just a little overwrought. It's hardly surprising that the wackos are the ones involved in government. Regular folks are too busy living their lives.

Posted by: mj at March 19, 2004 08:34 AM

Tom Grey,

(Smokey, ... why bother? comment on my site and we can troll/ fisk, if you wish)

I'm sorry, but are you calling me a troll? I may not agree with you, but I think my comments to your post had substance. If you wish to address them, here's as good a place as any. If not, just say so.

Your post above reveals more confusion about the nature of discrimination. Nobody has "banned" prayer from schools, anyone who wishes to pray may do so. What is not allowed is official, school-sanctioned prayer.

Your argument that bigots understandably hate gays because they are denying them grandchildren (if I understand you correctly) seems a bit dubious. Okay, a lot dubious. The assumption that "more acceptance means more learning to be gay" is unproven, and as far as I can tell, is not based on any evidence whatsoever. Even granting this to be the case, I'm not sure what your point is. You say "It is HIGHLY unlikely that any definitive study will determine acceptable numbers." Acceptable numbers of what? Of gays? What study could possibly do such a thing, that being an entirely subjective question? You seem to be making a variant of the argument that "gays/gay marriage is bad because sooner or later, so many people will be gay that no more children will be born and society will wither and die." If this fear really keeps you up at night, I'm sorry, but it seems a poor rationale for public policy (given that it is entirely baseless).

Posted by: Smokey at March 19, 2004 02:18 PM

What is with the "Right Wing Bigotry"?

It isn't Right Wing.

It is BIGOTRY ...

Period.

Marty

Posted by: Marty at March 20, 2004 09:27 AM

"What is with the "Right Wing Bigotry"?

It's bigot, bigotry.

Posted by: mnm at March 20, 2004 12:49 PM

Why is so hard for alot of you guys to accept that this is, indeed, "right-wing bigotry"?! It's bigotry, plain and simple, and if these eight individuals aren't Republicans...I can most assuredly promise you it's because the Republicans are too liberal for them.

Michael never said all right-wingers are bigots. Nor did he say all bigots are right-wingers. Living in Portland, he'd probably be the first to tell you that there are a whole hell of alot of left-wing bigots, too.

Left-wing bigots are prejudiced, mainly, against Christians and Southerners and corporate business owners. I'm in academia, so trust me on this one.

Right-wing bigots, on the other hand, are prejudiced against non-white and non-Christian alternative-lifestyle types. I'm also from Indiana, so trust me on this one as well. I've seen it all.

You can be left-wing or right-wing and not be prejudiced. No one ever said otherwise. But these eight folks are right-wing AND bigoted. You can't be a left-winger and be THAT reactionary to homosexual lifestyles, period. You can be a straight authoritarian-type, like a Hitler, but you can't be a liberal.

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