It is a truism that if anyone needs to publicly deny that they are anti-Semitic, they are, by definition, anti-Semitic! Lasn qualifies.

A critique worthy of legend. Well done Michael. Its likely that Kalle isn't a conscious anti-semite, but he has certainly fallen into the trap of Leftist anti-Zionism that has morphed into latent anti-semitism. Its only a matter of time before the lines become completely blurred.

The Jews did it again. Have you realized that had Saddam's mom not been dissuaded by their Jewish neighbors from having an abortion, we would not have had Saddam to contend with?

If the Jews were so powerful, they would have taken the whole of Palestine, driven out all the Palestinians a long time ago. The reason Americans support Israel is because Israel is a miniature version of America. After 911, we fought back. We appreciated sympathies most of the world showed us, but we didn't want to wallow in self pity, we fought back. The reason why the sophisticated French and old Europe hated us was because we didn't give them time to shed their crocodile's tears, we fought back in less than a month. That is essentially what the Jews do, they don't care about crocodile's tears, they fight back. The "shitty little country" actually has the gall to fight for her survival!

You're so right in your analysis Michael, up to a point.
The point is the question: if London is nuked (with small dirty-bomb), will the USA go to war for the UK? I think so. Even Paris or Berlin; though prolly not Moscow, yet.

What about Tel Aviv?
And what is the likelihood of those cities being nuked in the next 5 years?

London - 1%, Paris, Berlin - 0.5%, Tel Aviv - 2%? There is a much higher chance of Tel Aviv, and Israel, of being the target of WMDs from local Arab/ Muslim dictators -- and there is clearly a LOT of popular Muslim support for being the big Muslim honcho against those crafty, cabalistic Joooooos.

He might be unconsciously anti-Semite; I think he's deliberately anti-Israel.

But there was virtually no chance of the US invading other Axis of Evil countries until after Saddam was neutralized. (I do hope the Iraqis follow your advice, and kill him quickly.)

The US in Iraq, and more importantly, freedom for Iraqi people in Iraq, is the best thing for the USA, and for Israel, and for most (not all) Arab people. (Not for the Baathists or other top or favored thugs.)

MJT,

Anti-semitism is the leading indicator of imminent societal collapse. It preceeded the Russian Revolution. It preceeded WWII. And it is preceeding the demographic implosion of Europe.

Europeans have stopped breeding, but are addicted to the welfare state which requires an ever expanding population for funding. Solution? Import Arabs/Muslims who in the expected socialist blank-slate fashion should fit right in to European civilization and be good taxpayers happily funding the decadant European retirees and dole-junkees who view relieving themselves of personal responsibility as the highest form of morality.

The problem is that Arabs/Muslims aren't conforming to the blank-slate theory. And the jobs these "immigrants" are supposed to fill are not being created because the tax and regulatory burden imposed by the welfare state make European industies uncompetitive. Welcome to 10% structural unemployment.

So all the unassimilated immigrants sit around idly in their taxpayer funded slums and collecting their taxpayer funded dole. And like all humans they look for meaning in their existance. And they aren't finding meaning by integrating into their new societies. They find it by fantasizing about restoring the lost greatness of the civilization they left behind. So, rather than integrating with European society, they are colonizing and Balkanizing it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3482641.stm

So all the socialist experts who in their boundless hubris thought they could plan the perfect society and eliminate nature's imperfections are getting desperate to shelter their house of cards from the coming storm. And they do what failed demagogues have done throughout time - look for a scapegoat. And Jews are the universal scapegoat.

Now here in America, every leftist churned out of our re-education camps (universities) knows for a fact that Europeans are smarter than Americans. After all, they have a more "progressive" welfare state which is the highest form of intelligence according to their indoctrination. So of course they scapegoat Jews the same way their European masters do.

And what we end up with - to borrow Markus's phrase - is a true "celebration of internationalist values." And anti-Semitism IS the one true internationalist value shared by all. Think I overstate the case? Take a look at this:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1077351468319&p=1008596981749

The International Court of Justice is about to put Jews on trial but won't allow Jews to testify. And leftists like Markus want to subordinate American national sovereignty and our Constitutional rights to these kinds of institutions. Who needs the Constitution. Its just another discredited work of the evil Dead White Males.

Welcome to Utopia, fools.

Your link didn't link, HA. And I agree with you re "internationalist values" subordinating U.S. Constitution. It is pernicious.

MJT: thanks for pointing out this Adbusters essay. It's final sentence: ANd half of them are Jewish. Chilling. Presumably the other half are tools of Zionist imperialism. I'm thinking Robert Kaplan was right in recent book, that there is no modern or postmodern world, only a continuation of the ancient, and of ancient animosities.

Zhombre,

I copied and pasted both links and they worked. One day I'll look up the html tags for links. No time right now - gotta get to work so I can fund the American welfare state and with what's left support my family.

I forget who said it first, but the applicable rule goes:
"If someone feels the need to preface a comment with words similar to, 'Of course I'm not a (bigot/antisemite/racist/antiAmerican/generic swine), BUT...' -- than that person is almost certainly about to make a bigoted/antisemitic/racist/antiAmerican/swinish statement and probably is in fact a bigot/etc."

Like I said before, Anti-Semitism is a traditional value. Seems to be a tradition every where you look.

Heh.

Oh, and I think you're right, Michael, Lasn's readers will lap it up.

"neoconservative intellectuals," isn't that an xymoron?

Michael:

You are 'the Man'! Thank you for catching this stuff and recognizing what it is.

Have you sent your post to Adbusters?

Donovon: That's a cheap shot, pal. And a lame, overused joke. You may vehemently disagree with what they say, and attack their premises, but pls do not casually dismiss their qualfications. I will assume you are an astute person and know better.

Best,
Zhombre

Judging by the articles they write, this type of attitude toward Jews seems prevalent among the leftist elite. I'm at a loss to understand why American Jews are considered part of the Democratic base when they are shown so much contempt by them.

Michael,

Please don't lose sight of the ball.

You have been given your Anti-Semite to burn at the pyre this week. It's Mel Gibson.

“He penciled in a little dot next to all the Jewish names. At least he didn’t use a yellow star.”

Definitely. This is right on target. Many on the far left will rant and rave about the ZOG conspiracy, especially on Indymedia.

Lasn says he’s not an anti-Semite, BUT…

The radical left likes to put things that way. They say: "I’m no fan of terrorism, BUT.."
"I don’t believe that America deserved 9/11, BUT.."

In radical left grammar, the BUT automatically negates the statement that precedes it. As a result, the BUT is at the forefront, proving what everyone already knows, that they are a bunch of Butheads.

I was about to chime in and compliment your post when some world war history came back to me.

After both world wars started, and before the US joined in, IIRC some Americans with ancestry of the combatants did indeed try to influence US policy in favor of their old-home country.

After WWII started, Americans (FDR at least) were so worried about Japanese-Americans that they put them in camps. That was not legitimate. But wouldn't it have been legitimate to expect them to favor an early peace with Japan?

And wouldn't it have been legitimate to worry about English or French Americans pushing the US onto the Allied side of either war while a majority were against joining the fray.

I know Churchill (at First Lord of the Admiralty in WWI) was afraid of American sympathy for Germany undermining the UK blockade of Germany (which was technically in violation of the International Law of 1914). Wouldn't he have been legitimately suspicious of an American political grouping made up of mostly German-Americans?

The sad fact is that Israel is still at war and in danger of destruction and massacre. Most of us fans of Mr. Totten are sympathetic to the plight of Israel. While strong in a current military sense, Israel is one lost battle away from annihilation. In such a situation, isn't it common sense to expect Jews to generally support Israel? Isn't it then legitimate for a partisan of the conflicting Palestinian cause to be suspicious of a political grouping with a high proportion of Jewish-Americans?

I think that Kalle Lasn's reduction of neo-conservatism to a Jewish front group is incorrect. But I think it has to be legitimate for someone to point out the proportion of partisans in the political groupings that he opposes.

If Palestinian Americans were to form a group called, "NeoAmericans for Peace". It would be legitimate to point out that the group was made up of 95% first generation Palestinian Americans.

I don't like this kind of analysis, but I don't think we can forbid it.

Like I said before, Anti-Semitism is a traditional value. Seems to be a tradition every where you look.

The Adbusters folks might be anti-semitic, but I hardly think they're adherents of "traditional values". Certainly not in the sense the term is "traditionally" used.

Not everything in "tradition" is evil, in fact MOST of it is not. Now, the hell of a world that the NON-traditionalists are creating...

To borrow a phrase...Welcome to Utopia, you fools.

Oh for pitys sake. I remember reading something on Paul Wolfowitz about a year ago, it was about his position as a neo-conservative in the Bush administration. It was pretty good, up until it started going on about the fact that he was Jewish. I thought "What the hell has that got to do with anything?".

I dont particularly like Wolfowitz or the other neo-cons, but I dont think their religious/racial background has anything to do with their ideas. I especially dont like to see them being attacked because of that.

Like I said before, Anti-Semitism is a traditional value. Seems to be a tradition every where you look.

For anti-semitism today, in effect if not intent, look to the Left--but in the guise of humanism of course, and "resistance" and "anti-colonialism."

To borrow a phrase...Welcome to Utopia you fools.

"I don't like this kind of analysis, but I don't think we can forbid it."

Who was forbidding it? The Aryan Nations site, and leftist Indymedia have been ranting about ZOG for years. Now Adbusters is joining them. Nobody's forbidding it, we're criticizing them.

do not distinguish enough between American and Israeli interests,” he says. “For example, whose interests were they protecting in pushing for war in Iraq?”

I saw an "international affairs analyst" from the Cato Institute say the exact same thing on C-SPAN and no one challenged him. This type of thinking has become mainstream among self-styled libertarians.

This yellow star system has been used before. Gil Troy wrote about how he felt when he found out that his name was included on an LGF-outed list of 'known Jews’ produced by a Cork University Site.

Scott wrote:

"I'm at a loss to understand why American Jews are considered part of the Democratic base when they are shown so much contempt by them."

Well, about seventy to eighty percent vote Democrat in national elections, pretty reliably. Whether they should is, of course, another question.

There is a pretty good reason why so many neocons are Jewish. The reason is that the neoconservative argument tends to work best on those who have been on the far left of the political spectrum (e.g., David Horowitz). Would anybody deny that the far left used to be heavily populated with Jewish intellectuals?

Though not Jewish, I was once on the far left myself; in college I had subscriptions to The Militant and Mother Jones. I would never have been attracted to Republicans by the traditional conservative argument that welfare was theft. I was, however, very susceptible to the neoconservative argument that welfare was hurting the people it was designed to help by trapping them in poverty.

BTW, you're right about the idiocy of the list he presents. Scaife is a neocon? Cheney and Rumsfelt were conservatives when conservatism wasn't cool. Gary Bauer, Frank Gaffney and Jonah Goldberg are not neocons. Of course, if you take all of them off the list, it becomes even more heavily Jewish.

I appreciate everything you've written, Michael, but I have to admit something really embarrassing--before all this I had never heard of Adbusters Magazine. Go figure.

After both world wars started, and before the US joined in, IIRC some Americans with ancestry of the combatants did indeed try to influence US policy in favor of their old-home country.

Some did, indeed. The overwhelming majority did not. When looking at Americans of German or Japanese descent in WWII, sure you can find some who sympathized with the mother country. But you will also find those like the Japanese who joined the Army’s Nisei unit, one of the most distinguished of the war.

The Japanese interment camps came about due to the assumption that all Japanese would likely behave in a specific way. That assumption was incorrect, but despite this lesson of history people such as Lasn seem to be in a hurry to repeat the error.

Excellent commentary. I posted a link to this piece at landv.net, and I'd invite any readers here to have a look. This is a big topic, and there's much gray area. People can criticize Jews, people can criticize Israel, and yet in my judgement, if the criticisms they make, are criticisms they don't make for other peoples, how do we explain that except to say, that yes, there's something there?

http://landv.net/IC/index.php?s=29f51c02b7ef7aa0ab2408fbce1b74ee&act=ST&f=3&t=1349

I suppose it would be unkind, and a cheap shot, to casually note that the president and administration that enacted the WW2 internment camps, was not right-of-center...

So I won't...

<polishing halo>

One of the few good things about modern, polite anti-Semitism is that it allows closet antisemites to out themselves.

MJT: A wonderful bit of thrashing. I particularly liked the part about how your English lineage had nothing to do with your support of the UK. My parents were both born in Ireland, but the current Irish government drives me nuts.

After we found out who was behind 9-11, one of the first thoughts I had when my brain firmly slotted itself into revenge mode was "Call up Sharon and cut him loose. Diplomacy is over."

McGehee, I think its safe to say that the Republicans of the time would have done the same thing.

Being an idiot I became confused by the very first paragraph of the article you linked to. "Friends help each other out. That’s why the US sends billions of dollars every year to Israel. In return, Israel advances US strategic interests in the Middle East." Being not a complete idiot I immediately realized the fallacy of the US Policy. We should billions of dollars to someone else so they can advance US strategic interests in the Middle East. Bingo! Imagine my chargrin to find that Egypt also recieves billions of dollars from US every year. Dammit. Either this is a pernicious plot to stymie the neocon outing by earnest freedom fighters or is the US so stupid as to pay 2xBillions each year to promote opposite strategic interests (unless you presume that ME instability is the US interest, which is not out of the realm of conspiracy theories). In any case, that is where I lost the article.

On a separate note: how would you really find out who is Jewish or not? As we recently found out Kerry and Clark are almost Jewish, Madeleine Albright is Jewish, and of course Dean would have been swayed by his family... How do you know Michael Novak is not Jewish (I would consider his last name fairly jewish) ?

McGehee and FH:

There were militarily good reasons for relocating the Japanese. We knew from codebreaking that there WERE spies and traitors, there WERE some plans for sabotage.

The vast majority were completely innocent, but only arresting the few thousand guilty ones might have compromised MAGIC, one of our most important weapons (see Battle of Midway).

A lot of people suffered for no fault of their own, but there happened to be a war on.

Back to the main thread, I had one acquaintance who was Jewish, and frankly never cared about anti-Semitism, but I am now. It's becoming "respectable" on the left. At least when a Republican says something like that, he gets smacked down. THIS is what Foxman, et al, should be worrying about, not some movie.

HELLO? The facts don't lie. The vast majority of neocons are Jews. Thats just a fact. Stop crying "anti-semitism" everytime someone notes that they are Jews you fucking Heeb.

That was satire, right, Sean? If not, you are the most perfectly irony-proof person whose thoughts I've ever read, and the competition has been stiff.

"There were militarily good reasons for relocating the Japanese."

If you'll note, we didn't relocate them out of Hawaii. If there were anywhere that was vulnerable to sabotage, that would be it.

Something might be said for a voluntary relocation program. There was a lot of racial hostility on the west coast at the time.

The impetus to intern the Japanese gathered momentum because local businesses saw an opportunity to seize Japanese-American property and businesses. When they shipped the folks off to Manzanar or wherever their property was soon taken for back taxes and auctioned off at pennies on the dollar. Some lucky few were able to find non-Japanese friends who could take care of their homes and businesses but many did not.

If you are going to forcibly relocate someone, you should at least have the decency to pay their property taxes and reasonable upkeep on their property.

The Briish did not find it neccessary to intern potential German sympathizers in England in order to protect the fact they had broken the Enigma code. We did not find it neccessary to relocate Hawaiians of Japenese ancestry. I doubt if the situation on mainland America was any different.

"Friends help each other out."

Yup. The money we send to Egypt is part of our aid to Israel. As long as we can keep Egypt bought off, there are no other countries adjacent to Israel who can mount a credible threat.

Re; Michael Novak Jewish? I would consider him to be, if anything, ethnic Polish Catholic judging from his last name. Let's not infer one's religion by the spelling, or sound of one's surname.
Swan

Ok, but there has to be a possibility to hold the opinion that x ally is influencing y nation too much or in a way one thinks is wrong. It works for every country.

Why can't it work for Israel?

See, I know, I know, the "Jewish Cabal" rants and the like are not critical opinions but expressions of antisemitism, ok. That's what you're talking about, so you're right there.

Still, in general, there has to be a line that separates that kind of ranting from sheer opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

Something like this:

- critical opinion | antisemitism -

It's all a matter of where do you (everybody) put that "|" dividing line.

Michael,

You are a little late to this party. "Neo-con" has been an anti-semetic code word for a couple of years now for "the Left."

I commented on a David Brooks article in the Weekly Standard on just this subject a year ago.

February 23, 2003
Anti-Semitism Has Returned: What To Do About It
Trent Telenko

http://windsofchange.net/archives/003097.html

"David Brooks, a senior editor for the Weekly Standard, has a very depressing article/op-ed on the return of socially acceptable anti-Semitism into national society from the American Left.

From the article:

Not long ago I was chatting with a prominent Washington figure in a green room. "You people have infested everywhere," he said in what I thought was a clumsy but good-hearted manner. He listed a few of "us": "Wolfowitz, Feith, Frum, Perle." I've never met Doug Feith in my life and Wolfowitz and Perle I've barely met. Yet he assumed we were tight as thieves. After a few minutes of jibing I finally pointed out that there were many non-Jews who support the president's policy against Iraq. I mentioned Bob Kerry. "He's a shabbas goy. He's got a lot of Jewish money supporting that school" he shot back. Shabbas goys are Christians who perform tasks for observant Jews on Saturdays.
I am the last person who used to suspect people of anti-Semitism. I was never really conscious of it affecting my life until the last few weeks. But now I wonder. I watched a town meeting in northern Virginia a few weeks ago. A Vietnam vet got up to rail against U.S. policy on Iraq, which he said was engineered by "Paul Wolfowitz and Daniel Pearl." He got the wrong Pearl. He accidentally mentioned somebody who was beheaded for being American and Jewish. But the crowd didn't seem to notice. They roared with approval and slapped him on the back as he made his way from microphone. Why didn't he say Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Powell were organizing the Bush administration policy? They're higher ranking officials than Wolfowitz and actually members of the administration, unlike Perle. Would the crowd have roared as wildly if he'd mentioned Rice and Powell, I wondered, or did the words Wolfowitz and Perle somehow get their juices flowing?

As I look at this op-ed, I cannot help but thinking that the American Left is committing suicide by adopting anti-Semitism as its organizing principle. The American multi-cultural left on campuses, the media, and in most secular non-government organizations view Israel as another South Africa because of its treatment of Palestinians. This left them highly vulnerable to being infected by the anti-Semitic hate campaigns of Arab regimes. And infected they most certainly are.

Any time I see left/liberal Democratic operative/supporter ranting in print against the "neo-conservative influence" on the Bush Administration, I now mark the author as a closet anti-Semite."

Brooks also said this:

It's not just the things people say. It's the things that are now socially acceptable. The leftist group ANSWER has a long and well-documented record of anti-Zionist statements so extreme and inflammatory that they are truly offensive. (Not to mention a record of supporting murderers and tyrants that is appalling and inhumane.) When the thousands gathered for the peace rally ANSWER co-organized on the mall in Washington, I figured most of the marchers didn't really know the true nature of the group. But now principled liberals and many others have exposed its vicious and Stalinoid nature. And the peace marchers don't mind! They still flocked to the ANSWER-organized marches last weekend. The fact that the Jewish liberal Michael Lerner wasn't permitted to speak didn't bother them either! Would they march at peace rallies organized by the KKK or the American Nazi Party, groups that are about as despicable as ANSWER? Is all hatred now socially acceptable if it is organized in the cause of "peace?"

I am so confused by you wingnuts. So saying that there is a Jewish cabal that is running the country for sinister motives is now anti-semtism? Saying that they are both Trotyskist communists and running Wall Street is now anti-semtism? Pointing out that their loyalty is to their brethren in Isreal and not their country is somehow anti-semetic?

Yeah right Micheal. You are probably one of them.

Next thing you will say is that Henry Ford was an anti-semite.

I know some perfectly nice, non anti semites who now voice the opinion that all would be calm in the world if those Israelis would just give the Palestinians a state of their own. That Israel is the cause of all the terrorists is becoming some sort of accepted fact. Of course, that has already affected the behavior of some of our Europeans friends. For some strange reason, Israel becomes the local Jewish people. Englishmen and Frenchmen and Dutchmen and Belgianmen are attacked by their fellow citizens. The authorities wouldn't tolerate the attacks if the victims were Christians. Oh, the victims are Jewish. You have to understand that these victims aren't really Frenchmen. They are Jews. The Eu report on anti-semitism was surpressed because the rise in attacks on Jews was attributed to Arabs living in the EU and the EU didnt want to inflame the situation. SSH. Be quiet. Dont get them mad.
And so a political situation in the Middle East gets translated into attacks on citizens of other countries becaust they share some religious beliefs with the people in Israel.
And that is how it spreads and grows.

Sad. Sad Sad.

"So saying that there is a Jewish cabal that is running the country for sinister motives is now anti-semitism?"

Yeah, I don't have any trouble seeing that as anti-semitism.

First Law of Conspiracy Theories -- Any organization with more than one prominent Jewish member must be part of the International Jewish Conspiracy.

Corolary: If anyone points out that groups belonging to the IJC cover the entire political spectrum, they're a stooge of the conspiracy.

"There were militarily good reasons for relocating the Japanese."

You know, when a civil rights violation is so extreme that even J. Edgar Hoover thought it was a mistake, it probably is a mistake.

I don't like having all these women in government. What are they trying to pull? Probabably a lesbian cabal. What, with women's equality laws and all that stuff, it makes a guy wonder.

And what's with the black lady as NSA? What's she trying to pull?

It's not conspiracy-theory nuttiness to point out that there are oddly many blacks, women and Jews in the government. I don't see how it's bigoted. It's just common sense. What the hell are these people trying to pull?!
/sarcasm

I'm 33 years old, and while I am a student of history, I did not live through some of our society's most virulent anti-semitic times. I genuinely believed that this hysterical sort of Jew-hatred and Jew-conspiracy theory was a dim memory and that people had finally come to their senses.

Watching this rise of anti-semitic talk and advocacy among the progressive left is very, very disturbing and very, very creepy. Do these people not know how they sound? Do they not care?

I went to look at the database that Cork University (linked from Little Green Footballs) and I couldn't believe what I was reading. Name after name after name with parenthetical "categories" after them; "American Jew", "Zionist Jew", "anti-Zionist Jew", etc. (WTF the is difference anyway?)

I have seen numerous instances of so-called "Jews" being "outed" based solely on their names. Hello, not everyone named Goldberg is a Jew, okay? My maiden name was German in origin, and you have to go back more than 10 generations to find anyone in my family who's actually from Germany. That doesn't make me a Nazi.

This is utterly bone-chilling. If it were a joke I would say it was in extremely poor taste.

Are people shocked there are anti-semites on the Left? Here is a news flash -- there have always been anti-semites on the Left. Anti-semetism isn't called the "socialism of fools" for nothing. Adbusters is just continuing the vile tradition.

Interesting complaint given the list he provides.

Asking "why won't anyone say they're Jewish?" of someone like Jonah Goldberg is like asking the pope why he won't say he's Catholic.

The religious affiliation of these people is not exactly a secret.

"The religious affiliation of these people is not exactly a secret."

Hmm--but do you know if Jonah Goldberg is religious? I don't. All you know from his name is that he has Jewish ancestors on his father's side.

Sorry. My point is, I imagine he doesn't "admit" he's (part)-Jewish, not because it's obvious, but because it's irrelevant, as he has pointed out heatedly.

Jonah is Jewish; not sure how religious he is, but Lucianne made a comment on the website one day that indicated as much--something about him observing one of the Jewish holidays.

Not that it matters a whit, just clarifying here.

JPS, I agree with you it's irrelevant, but I still get a kick out of the guy calling on someone like Goldberg to come out and admit it.

I've read his NRO columns for years and the he's made perfectly clear he's Jewish at least a few times.

[ But it’s also simply a fact that Israel is an ally of the United States. ]

An ally, or a dependent client?

Let me remind everyone that Britain, unlike Israel, doesn't depend on the US taxpayer to pay its Defense Minstry's bills.

Well, I am Jewish and I support Israel. But I'd support Israel even if Vietnamese lived there.

[ Gil Troy wrote about how he felt when he found out that his name was included on an LGF-outed list of 'known Jews’ produced by a Cork University Site.]

So what? the news media often refers to some conservative political figures as being affiliated with the Chritian Coalition, or a Roamn Catholic or a Mormon.

Why is it for forbidden for goys to say that someone is Jewish, if such is factually true?

Spelling: "Roman" Catholic.

When have any of you gents complained when the news media refers to Pres. Bush as a Methodist, hmmm?

Oh, that's different.

I think we agree, WAAL. Cheers.

David Davenport asks of Israel:

"An ally, or a dependent client?

Let me remind everyone that Britain, unlike Israel, doesn't depend on the US taxpayer to pay its Defense Minstry's bills."

They sure did during WWII, though. And while I'm not British, I'd have been heart and soul in favor of our extending that support. My support for Israel is in the same spirit.

And no, I don't mind when Pres. Bush is identified as a Methodist. I do get irritated when fools suggest that he's doing everything he does because he's a religious Christian, or accused him of foreign loyalties based on that fact.

"Anti-semetism isn't called the 'socialism of fools' for nothing."

Redundant Dept. of Redundancies, ex: What socialist isn't a fool?

Gil Troy wrote about how he felt when he found out that his name was included on an LGF-outed list of 'known Jews’ produced by a Cork University Site

So what? the news media often refers to some conservative political figures as being affiliated with the Chritian Coalition, or a Roman Catholic or a Mormon.

If you’re wondering about this, read the article. Daniel Pearl wasn’t killed because he was a Protestant.

Michael,

Thank you for connecting me to the AdBuster's magazine list of influential JOOOOOOOOSSSS.

I've been trying to become part of my people's conspiracy for years. I really want a piece of that pie but to date haven't been able to take it. Instead, I'm just trying to make a living.

I cannnot wait for the secret meetings (sort of like skull and bones). I'll be sure to keep you posted.

Al

Well, I am Jewish and I support Israel. But I'd support Israel even if Vietnamese lived there.

I support Israel, and I'm not even Jewish. Israel is a democracy swimming in a sea of fascism. Is there any better reason than that?

"You have to understand that these victims aren't really Frenchmen. They are Jews."

I once witnessed just such a "kiking" (sorry, folks, I can't think of what else to best call it without reducing its vileness) at a social event. "You're not European, you're a Jew" was hurled at a [Christian] European grad student who was calmly and eloquently defending Israel back in '96 (before the recent Intifada). The hurler was a more-caring-than-you-are European. What's more, consider the recent words of Chirac. "The Jews are more French than the French,” not to mention the polls that have the Europeans implying that their Jewish neighbors aren't really their countrymen.

No... Anyone who says that modern Euro-Anti-Semitism is founded in Anti-Zionism and not that good olde-time religion resurfacing is a liar unless you dumb down the Europeans' alleged superior knowledge of basic geography. By now, the continent that is so much more enlightened than us trashy boorish Americans should be able to know the difference between a Zionist, a Jew who hasn’t chosen Aliyah and a “Well Poisoner.”

I'm a bit surprised no one's taken a look at some other stuff written by Kalle Lasn to get an idea of where he's coming from, like this Adbusters article, which suggests that there's a need to fight a global war against "the evil forces of capital".

He suggests that this can be done, among other ways, by "plugging up toilets" and "placing organic stink bombs in bathrooms, offices and stores"--not just stink bombs, mind you, but organic stink bombs.

See for yourself

http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/52/articles/jamming.html

"It has come down to this: a fight to the finish against the evil forces of capital that would wage a terror upon terror upon terror without end.

[snip]

We, the people, the multitudes, can win this war.

[snip]

To get the ball rolling, we initiate persistent, low level civil disobedience on all fronts. A pissed-off global population can force capital to retreat by:

• hacking websites
• jamming broadcasts
• placing organic stink bombs in bathrooms, offices and stores
• plugging up toilets
• crashing spy surveillance systems with spoof emails
• refusing to pay fees and taxes
• obstructing and sabotaging"

Aquavita

P.S. Note that at the top, there's a translation of the article available...to French, quelle surprise :-)

A couple of points on the tangent.

Hawaii (and Alaska?) was under martial law. I suppose we could have left the Japanese where they were and put the west coast under martial law...

The people WERE compensated at the time, though like eminent domain cases, it was arguably not fair price. Farmers were paid for crops in the ground, for instance. A settlement fund was set up before the war ended for those who wanted to sue for other damages.

Remember that with a war on, the government took many actions that might not be justified in hindsight. You couldn't necessarily quit your job if it was war-essential. Free speech was curtailed. There was rationing. The government took control of some businesses.

Europeans are anti-semites? I am shocked, it hasn't shown in the last hundred years....

I've looked at that very short list of "neocons"... and made a shocking discovery!! Almost all the people on the list are men! (Jeane Kirkpatrick used to be a liberal?! When was that? And who is Ellen Bork?) Hey -- aren't almost all the members of the Israeli government men?

I smell a conspiracy!

[ Let me remind everyone that Britain, unlike Israel, doesn't depend on the US taxpayer to pay its Defense Minstry's bills."

They sure did during WWII, though.]

(a) The Brits in fact paid for a large percentage of the war equipment they got from the US and
(b) British soldiers suffered a large percentage;

(b) You fail to refute my chacaractierization of Israel as a dependent clinet of the US. You merely claim that the UK was also a militarily dependent client of the US long ago.

........................

My position re Israel? It suits me if the latter-day Israelites drive all the Pals east of the Jordan River.

At the same time, I feel no compulsion to love the latter-day Pharisees and Sadducees

One good thing that has resulted from Gulf War II is that US forces won't be "peacekeeping" in the West Bank, as I saw and heard Kristol Jr. suggesting on one of the cable TV news chat shows about a year ago.

I won't get in to the Neo-Con equals Jew discussion because to do so is to lend it credence, kind of like arguing witha Holocaust denier. The thing that we need to realize is that the foreign policy of the Bush administration is no longer "neo-con" if it ever was. The entire Republican establishment, almost all Republicans (with some holdovers like Brent Scowcraft , Larry Eagleburger and Jim Pinkerton) now accept this approach to foreign affairs/national security. The debate is over and the neo-cons have won. A large number of us centrists agree as well. (I would actually call myself a Neo-Con because I have just read "An End to Evil" and agree with everything written in it) Many Neo-Cons are in fact centrist on other issues and very few are "movement conservatives" but today the neo-con foreign policy is accepted by these people as well. The trick is to spread this across the left of the spectrum as well to form a clear consensus so that the next president, Dem. or Rep. will feel free to carry the policy forward. As with the Cold War we might survive a less than steller presidency but we will not survive a complete rejection of current policy and a return to the head in the sand days of the past.

David Davenport writes,

"You fail to refute my chacaractierization of Israel as a dependent clinet of the US."

Wasn't trying to. I read you as stating that Israel is a client state rather than an ally. Which is why I brought up the UK, an ally that became a client state as they got desperate:

"You merely claim that the UK was also a militarily dependent client of the US long ago."

Yep. We found it useful to keep supplying them, well after they ran out of money, because they were fighting a lonely, brave fight against an enemy that hated us too.

I submit that Israel doesn't act as an ally because we're supporting them heavily; we started supporting them heavily (really only after the Six Day War) on both practical grounds (we wanted a counterweight to the USSR's influence) and moral grounds (fellow democracy whose enemies were pro-Nazi during WWII, pro-Soviet during the Cold War, etc).

Sorry. Didn't finish the thought: My opinion is that we started supporting them because we decided they had become an ally; that their pro-US stance is not merely a result of our support.

An ally, or a dependent client?

Let me remind everyone that Britain, unlike Israel, doesn't depend on the US taxpayer to pay its Defense Minstry's bills.
Posted by: David Davenport at February 24, 2004 02:55 PM

Yep. The US has only contributed a few TRILLION dollars to NATO since it's inception. As if Britain had the financial resources to develop the Royal Navy's nuclear submarine force,the submarine based nuclear ballistic missiles to name but a few. Israel is pocket change for the US compared to the UK and Europe.

...or whether he’s just a left-wing hack with a kooky axe to grind

This quote sounds eerily self-descriptive of Totten just add the word "formerly" before left-wing.

MICHAEL...

This has absolutely nothing to do with the post but...

In all the times I've dutifully returned to your site, I've never DIRECTLY asked you to post your take or position on a certain issue. I am now.

Bush today officially called for a Constitutional Amendment to ban same-sex marriages: The marriage debate dookie is hitting the fan. This is so entirely freaking huge, if you don't post something on it I'm gonna be pretty pissed off. You owe us that much.

Thanks,
Grant McEntire

To resume... here's an instance of what I think can be considered legitimate criticism, but some may classify under anti-Israel/anti-semitism. An instance of the dividing line between rational discourse and prejudice/conspiracy theory, if you like.

The opinion would go something like this: the US is being wiser in not planning military striked against Syria, Iran, and all the "axis of evil" countries yet, as some in the Israeli government seemed to be pushing for in the past year. Israel has obvious terrible relations with neighbour Arab countries, and it doesn't matter that it's the Arab leaders fault, it's still wiser for the US to try and act as mediator. Just as it's wiser for the US to at least vocally rebuke Israel from time to time, regardless of the fact Israel has its reasons to take certain measures.

I think that if anyone reads something like the above as belonging to the same "Jewish cabal" rants, then they're using the antisemitism charge to dismiss any slightest criticism. Those will be the people who do not see that dividing line.

And they're falling into the conspiracy theorist trap, of actually legitimising the opinion that the US policy is heavily Israel-influenced, or that the so-called "neocons" are driven by Israeli interests - when it actually isn't so, and besides, there's no such thing as a monolithic gang of "neocons" since they all have different positions.

So, I think one has to be aware of these conspiracy theories and prejudices, but also, ignore them when having a discussion on politics, otherwise, the whole premise of discussing has been derailed by extremists and we might as well give up on any pretence to rationality.

(-- On the other hand, one may think that in certain occasions in the past, it would have been a wiser thing if the US had been MORE influence by Israel. For instance, I don't think the indirect support (via Pakistan) of the mujhaeedeens in Afghanistan against Russia - no matter what its strategical context and "justification" was - went down very well with Israeli intelligence and leadership. That's one thing where I wish the US had taken an Israeli stance. Ditto for Kosovo.)

Leftarian, you are an anti-semite. Deal with it.

Sean, so what if many "neo-cons" however defined, are Jewish? Does this mean there is some sort of "secret cabal"? Nope. If it were secret, how come just about every news outlet one can think of goes on about it? For a group of evil conspirators, they are not doing very well. Duh.

Seriously though, anti-semitism, and how one deals and confronts it, is a litmus test for a healthy civilisation. By that standard, we ought to be worried and stamp down hard on those who continue to fan the fires of one of the oldest forms of bigotry.

This is like an unfunny version of SNL's Tom Hanks-hosted game show, "Jew, Not a Jew".

I remember when, early in the Bush administration, some publication (Slate or TNR?) found it odd that there were almost no Jews in the White House. Now Bush is practically accused of being a crypto-Jew. Wouldn't it be wonderful if all the people obsessed with Jew-counting could be transported to that paradise described in Adbusters so the rest of us could argue policy?

Israel's budget is far larger than the 3 billion$ the US sends each year, so Israel's defense ministry is not "dependent" on US aid. It just makes things easier. Therefore the fact that Britain paid for much of its defense during WWII does not differ from the US-Israel relationship. Obviously, Israel suffers ALL the direct casualties in this relationship, too.
What the US gets in return is that Israel doesn't do a lot of things it would like to because the US objects. The US has bought influence over what happens in the mideast. Europe, which never helps Israel, is almost completely ignored by Israel. They can talk and talk and nothing ever happens.
Israel sided with the US during the cold war back when the US didn't give Israel squat (The US gave the Arabs weapons, in fact).

Neocons tend to be Jewish because they involve people nobody would have ever heard of if they weren't Jewish. How many people know exactly what Perle and Feith do for a living? Even Wolfowitz?

If Kalle Lasn wrote an article for Adbusters listing the 50 most influential leftists in the US that list would be half Jewish. Topping that list would be Chomsky who is Jewish. Does anyone believe that Lasn would title that article "Why won't anyone say they are Jewish?"

Lasn is a limp minded fool who like most anti-semites suffers from intellectual impotence.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if all the people obsessed with Jew-counting could be transported to that paradise described in Adbusters so the rest of us could argue policy?

Exactly...

Both Bauer and Gaffney are signatories to the proudly neocon Project for the New American Century's Statement of Principles (www.newamericancentury.org), which is a fairly compelling case for saying they are neocons.

My girlfriend loves the word "neocons". It reminds her of Decepticons.

The reason a lot of Neocons are Jewish is pretty simple. In the old (pre911)world, Socialism and pacifism made more sense and sensible Jews, still thinking Nazism was a right wing atrocity were liberal. The knee jerk reaction of the left to 911 is "what did we do wrong? it's our fault!" The realism that genocide breds kicked in and many liberals, Jews included, came to realize that when somebody says they want to kill you, you take them seriously. The thing that makes neo-cons "neo" is not just that they are new converts but also that neo-conservatism doesn't share the social agenda of the Christian coalition.

Racists and religious nutcases, you can all drop dead!

Just because one man decides to correctly point out that the majority of the most influential neo-cons in America, are Jewish, and then point out that the new pre-emption policy of the USA greatly benefits Israel, given the massive American troop presence in the region .. this does not mean he is attempting inciting hatred against Jews!!!

He is simply presenting information for people to better hold their elected leaders accountable, and to make sure that US policy does not become dangerously biased against powerless non-Jews/Christians, so much so that it fails miserably and leads to even more hostility toward Israel, and Jews in general around the world.

You two dimensional fools need to wake up and widen your perspective. This Jewish hyper-sensitivity to criticism is counter-productive. Every time someone mentions Jews AT ALL, they are branded anti-semite first, and then maybe they are forgiven for not being making their point 'clearer'.

F THAT! Mel Gibson might be crazy with the religion, but when last I checked filmmaking was an artform, and he does no artist should have to submit their work for approval by any specific group! What next.. The Ministry of Jewish Approved Art!? This also applies to the article discusses here .. the author should not even blink an eye at these slanderous accusations.

As far as dragging the poor, beaten down Palestinians into this.. again all I have to say is... F YOU! I just listened to a presentation by Shimon Peres and it's quite clear that there is more hatred for Palestinians in the USA than there is in Israel proper!

Drive them into Jordan? WTF!? That's called ethnic cleansing/genocide you immoral bastard. There are millions of Palestinians .. not just two or three thousand raving lunatic terrorists! What you propose is nothing short of a holocaust!

GET A GRIP!

They “do not distinguish enough between American and Israeli interests,” he says... This is one of the world’s oldest anti-Semitic slurs.

I agree that Kalle Lasn's article was poorly executed, to say the least, but I think his underlying sentiment needs to be examined closely.

It is disingenuous to deny that Judaism is both an ethnicity AND a religion, a religion that happens to exalt the nation of Israel as EXTREMELY important... ever been to a seder?

The point is that many American-born Jews have a connection to another country that perhaps they have never even set foot in, Israel, reinforced by religious beliefs, which is very UNLIKE any other American-born ethnicity. Given an extreme hypothetical (between the U.S. and Israel, pick one and we nuke the other out of existence) those same Jews, while obviously citizens of the U.S., would have to think about it. This becomes problematic when the aforementioned attain positions of political power and influence, much the same way having a President born in another country is a problem (and is prohibited). Perceived (or actual) conflict of interest.

The fears are at least legitimate, and to discuss them is to be labeled an anti-semite, a powerful label that is thrown around with ease.

Yatzyl,

Some people are too quick to accuse others of anti-Semitism; that is true.

However, to assume (as some, not necessarily you, do) based on a Jewish last name that the holder has conflicted national loyalties is in fact a racist generalization.

What people opposed to (gad, I hate this term) neocon foreign policies have a habit of doing is to say, "This policy is bad for America. Here are some Jews supporting it. So if I can prove that this policy benefits Israel, then they're clearly holding their other country's interest above their own."

But it's a false premise. And if Jewish neocons are supporting our Middle East policy because it benefits Israel, then to borrow an argument from Jonah Goldberg, why do they support protecting South Korea? Taiwan? What's the benefit to Israel there? Hell, most of them favored U.S. intervention to stop the slaughter of Bosnian Muslims.

Now if some clever debater manages to say why these, too, have been supported by (e.g.) Richard Perle because they were good for Israel, and even though they were bad for the US, then I'd have to say that this person is really, really reaching, in order to not abandon his thesis--that neocon Jews put Israel's interests above their own country's.

And I think it's not hysterical or unreasonable to wonder if there's an animus behind such a logical stretch.

BAH!:

"Every time someone mentions Jews AT ALL, they are branded anti-semite first...."

Yeah, it's awful; can't a guy point out that a conspiracy of Jews is secretly running the U.S., without having Totten slander him so? The humanity!

Listen, pal. Wipe the spittle off your keyboard and cut down on the caps and the exclamation points before telling us to get a grip.

I guess Bah is ok with Arafat and other Palastinian Terrorists Organizations saying they will not quit until they push the Jew into the Sea.

I mean they are only 13 million Jewish people right Bah?

You crazy insane person.

First and foremost if we were being run by a Jewish Cabol, we would be in Syria, Iran or the West Bank. We are not, although Iran is probably going to be next, but only because of their worldwide support of Terrorists.

You need to open your eyes, they want to kill you too. And why? Because you believe in Freedom(I hope) you believe in Women's rights, you believe in Freedom of Religion.

You do not believe Allah is the only God, and therefore you are up to be converted or pushed into the Sea.

For JPS:
Sorry, I've come in late. No free lunch! I would like to point out that the Brits had to sell every single holding in the US (& much in South America) to pay for democracy's survival in WW2 & were totally broke before the US intervened (late) to do (with Errol Flynn, of course) the winning & claim the spoils.

Given an extreme hypothetical (between the U.S. and Israel, pick one and we nuke the other out of existence) those same Jews, while obviously citizens of the U.S., would have to think about it.

yatzyl, if I'm Spanish and live in the UK, and am faced with the same "choice", I'd have to think about it very hard too. So while being Jewish is both an ethnicity and a religion, it's not at all unlike other ethnicities in terms of attachment to another country from the one you reside in.

I think that Doug has it, even though he said he wouldn't get into the Neocon=Jew thing. One definition of a neoconservative is a progressive who has been mugged by reality. Many of the original neoconservatives were progressives, often socialists, who discovered that socialism and/or communism do not, and really cannot work. They still believed in the goals, just not the solution.

Many, maybe even a majority, of these original neoconservatives were Jewish, simply because Jews were so prominent as intellectuals in the progressive / socialism / communism movement. All one has to do is look back to the McCarthy era and see who was being outed as communist sympathizers. Many were Jews.

I am obviously not Jewish, but there is something inherent in that religion that drives many of its adherents to try to improve this world, as opposed to Christianity (and probably Islam), which is to some extent other worldly. The result I would suggest is that, on average, Jews are more progressive and interested in utopias in this life. Maybe someone else can explain this a bit better.

The other thing that is relevant about Jews is that, again on average, they are better educated, and more intellectual, than the rest of society. There are many reasons for this, one of which I think is a greater emphasis over time on education.

In any case, when some of these progressive intellectuals finally figured out that feeling someone's pain, or just throwing money at a problem, didn't do any good (and indeed, was often counterproductive), they asked the obvious question - what would work. The result was neoconservatism.

For a long time, conservatism lacked an intellectual basis, except for the libertarian view that the government that governs the least governs the best. This obviously conflicts with an aggressive foreign policy. It also conflicts with compassionate conservatism. Neoconservatism has provided an intellectual basis for both. That is why many of the traditional conservatives have adopted neoconservatism.

The liberals today are where the neoconservatives were a couple of decades ago, before being mugged by reality. They still are in the mode of thinking that good motives are sufficient. But they aren't. Good motives, and a weak foreign policy, got us 9/11, and the terrorist attacks before that. It turns out that in much of the world, being seen as a nice guy only marks you as a willing victim. What is respected is strength, and the willingness to use it. In retrospect, this is obvious. Saddam Hussain was respected and feared throughout the Arab / Muslim world because he was ruthless and because he could tweak our tail with impunity. This of course vanished when his country was conquered so quickly, and he was then dug out of his spider hole.

The same thing happened in domestic policy. We have spent trillions of dollars on the War on Poverty, and have reaped broken, fatherless families, illegitimacy, etc. Sure, those responsible felt good about their accomplishments of spending those trillions of dollars, but the reality is that they never really stopped to consider the societal costs that resulted from their attempts. And of course, these costs were predictable (and were predicted by the neoconservatives).

As to Israel, we would be backing that country even if the neoconservative movement had never happened. They are our firm ally, and the only real democracy (so far) in that part of the world. You can add in guilt over the Holocaust, and that many devout Christians believe, from the Bible, that God gave Israel to the Jews, and that it is our duty go make sure they have it and keep it.

Personally I worry about the dual loyalties of Catholics. Ever been to a mass?

Personally I think it is the Christians that are ruining American foreign policy.

They are more pro Israel than many Jews.

And Bush is a Christian as is Cheney and Rice, and even Powell.

Proving once again if any one cares to look that it is Christian oil interests that are running the world. It is amazing that people even think of the Jews when the Christians have so thouroughly duped the masses. Well I suppose blaming the Jews is part of the con.

Way to go cons.

Ginger -

I think you misunderstood my analogy. Of course if you're born in a country other than the one you live you're likely to have strong loyalties to both (hence no U.S. Presidency for non-natives). I'm talking about ancestry. An American who's ancestors are from Ireland may love St. Patty's day, but would likely not hesitate to choose the U.S. if a choice had to be made. Since post-diaspora Judaism focuses heavily on Israel, it is not unreasonable to assume that many American-born Jews have a connection to Israel (based in religion) which is as stong as their connection to America.

M. Simon -

I have been to a Catholic mass, and have no idea what you're talking about, although Evangelical Christians are definatley bizzarly pro-Israel... their rational has to do with the second coming of Christ, with the finale being the conversion of all Jews to Christianity... lovely. Yea, they're a scary lot, and I think having them at the helm is also a legitimate concern.

My point is not to single out Jews, but to be honest about legitimate concerns involving conflict of interest among those who control the direction of our society. If you pretend these issues don't exist, you will be continue to be shocked by nationalists like Lasn who will understandably pop up until the end of time.

Yatzyl,

"My point is not to single out Jews, but to be honest about legitimate concerns involving conflict of interest among those who control the direction of our society."

But you're begging the question; you're assuming in your premise what you're failing to prove by argument: That Jews do have a greater sense of conflicted loyalties than Catholics, and that they do control the direction of our society.

Neither is the case, and the more someone insists that it is, the more one can reasonably wonder what motivates this insistence.

See I got it all figured out. Once ther pope gives the orders the Catholics start marching.

I mean not even the President can tell you how to have sex.

Americans are fools for not noticing the obvious.

JTS -
I'm not suggesting that any group controls the direction of our society. I'm suggesting that it is valid to examine the loyalties of those who DO control the direction of our society.

If someone percieves that certain religious beliefs preclude a person to political loyalties outside of the U.S., then it is reasonable to be concerned about them having positions of power, Jewish, Catholic, Evangelical, whatever.

yatzyl subscribes to the fallacy of objectivitity, not realizing that 1) everyone has religious beliefs 2) this doesn't mean it is counter to their loyaty to their nation.

This is common fallacy given the fact that most people in the US belong to the Secularist religion, which thinks as itself as a non-religion.

No, yatzyl subscribes to the "I'm not saying anything anti-Semitic, you're interpreting it that way!" school of thought.

He outright accuses all Jews of dual loyalty, suggests that they would have a difficult choice to make if the choice were between Israel and the U.S., supports this by implying that all Jews have strong ties to Israel (haven't you ever been to a Passover Seder? Next year in Jerusalem!), and then continues to build upon these arguments of straw.

And in his last post, he uses the "I don't just mean Jews, I mean anyone" routine, just to make sure we don't think he's a bigot.

Well, I do.

I've seen it a thousand times before. I call bullshit on it, using this quote as evidence:

[snip]An American who's ancestors are from Ireland may love St. Patty's day, but would likely not hesitate to choose the U.S. if a choice had to be made. Since post-diaspora Judaism focuses heavily on Israel, it is not unreasonable to assume that many American-born Jews have a connection to Israel (based in religion) which is as stong as their connection to America.[/snip]

It is completely unreasonable to assume this. Prove it, or shut the hell up. Show me statistical data that prove your claims. Attendance at a Passover Seder simply doesn't cut it.

Nice, smooth little "argument" you have there. Learned it from David Duke, did you? It's a particularly nice touch to use the handle "yatzyl," which sounds almost--Jewish.

Zog.to much?

Actually, Meryl, 'yatzyl' is Hebrew for 'nobility', as in frothing at the mouth in a paranoid fit gets you nowhere. But I'm sure you knew that...

I never "outright accused all Jews" of anything. I'm just trying desperately to point out a couple things:

1. If you mention something peculiar about Evangelical Christianity, you're not labeled anti-Irish, or whatever ethnicity the person happens to be. But because of the dual nature of Judaism, a concern about an aspect of the religion (which only a subset of ethnic Jews subscribe to) is translated as a racial slur. Can you see how ridiculous that is?

2. Suppose I am a member of a hypothetical religion which has for centuries focused on the reemergence of Country A. I was born in Country B at a time when Country A had come into existence and was struggling for survival, very much in need of Country B's aid and protection. I become very politically influential in Country B. Now, you are also a citizen of Country B, who does not subscribe to the aforementioned religion, and doesn't believe supporting Country A is in Country B's best interest. Is it your right to question aloud if my religion is causing a conflict of interest in my ability to make decisions for Country B? I think it's completely reasonable. Does that make you racist? Give me a break.

OK I get it yatzl. You are against Jewish National Liberation.

I can understand that. I'm personally against Irish National Liberation. Especially re: Northern Ireland. The dual loyalties of the Irish are obvious. It is probably why Kerry wants to be President. Then he can move out all the Jewish dual loyalists and move in the Irish dual loyalists.

I mean which is more important for American policy - Ireland or Britain?

I'd say that any American who has roots in another country has suspect loyalties. The Jews are the worst of the lot.

Perhaps if we just deported them some where that is willing to have them America would be a much better place without all these Jewish subversives.

The first thing tthat needs to be done is to prevent them from owing any pure American soil. We should do to them what we are doing to the druggies. Confiscate their property. Start with the movie studios.

Once they have no where to live it will be much easier to run them out of the country. We do it to dopers. Why not Jews?

The National Alliance, a neo-nazi group, published a document called "Who Rules America" which list Jews who have positions of authority in the media. The National Alliance claims that these media Jews act to subvert America through their support for diversity, integration and liberal politics. Adbusters is simply parroting the analysis of the National Alliance, but from a leftist point of view - blaming rightist Jews for subverting America. And Adbusters is every bit as hateful and bigoted as the neo-nazis.

There's only one place to go to clear all this up: www.internationaljewishconspiracy.com - the International Jewish Conspiracy on-line. This month: de-baptizing Mormons and other Christian fundamentalists.

Well, I frankly do not care if someone is Jewish. However, there is a definite conflict of interest when for example a former secretary of state under the Clinton Administration was closely affiliated to AIPAC and he was supposed to act balanced between the Israelis and Palestinians. The US has obligations to fulfill UN Security Resolutions which requires Israel to withdraw from the Golan Heights and the West Bank and East Jerusalem, but the last person who had some backbone.
I mean the Israelis have rights under international law, but so should the Arab Palestinians and Syrians otherwise what will bread only more conflict and illustrate a double standard of forcing Iraq to apply UN resolutions but not Israel. That smacks of prejudice to say the least, but we only hear of anti-semitism vis-a-vis Jews but forget the anti-semitism vis-a-vis the Arabs is also very dangerous and this conflict is breeding both types of prejudice and that is evident.

Jews have throughout history shown their utter disloyalty to the countries of their citizenship and residence.

To name just a few examples...

Medeival Spain. Jews betrayed their gentile contrymen on Sicily, which at the time was part of the Kingdom of Spain, to enemy Saracenes, modern day north african Arabs. The result was tens of thousands of slaughtered Christians. For this treason they were expelled from all of Spain. And not for "merely being Jews".

Germany. In the middle of WW1, when Germany was victorious, but nevertheless wanted the war to end with a draw, the german Jews called for America's engagement in the war. Against their own country. This, among other things, led to the strong antisemitic feelings of many Germans that culminated during WW2.

Algeria during the Arab liberation struggle from France. Most of the French collaborators, who aided the Arabs in blowing up french people with bombs in cafés etc, were french Jews. And surprisingly many were females. They were also leftists. Who is surprised?

The same situation developed in apartheid South Africa. While reaping the obvious benefits of belonging to the "whites" community, almost all white members of the communist ANC were Jews. These Jews once again, like in Algeria, smuggled weapons and carried bombs that were to be used against the group of people who accepted them into their midst.

I could go on all day.

Jews have demonstrated a disassociation and an incredible hatred to their host people through all of history. (Read about what they did to the Egyptians in the Bible) This has been a fact even long before the formation of the state of Israel.

The eternal foreignness of Jews, no doubt spiced with their racial differences from normal peoples (hook noses, short legs, etc) probably made the Jews feel alienated and ugly, thus unloved. So they retaliated with revenge and hatred.

Although fiction, Shakespeare's play "The Merchant of Venice" clearly illustrates this.

The modern day gentile American is a pretty brainwashed creature, afraid of the jewish power in banking, media and political correctness. In short, a poltroon.

Just study Mr. Totten's hysterical reasoning and attempts to be funny in this article. Between the lines you can clearly spot his brown nose and frustrated attempts to make a spade into... not a spade.

Is Jewishness an ehtnic identity or a religion?

If its an identity, then, what would an Arab Jew be- an Arab or a Jew?

And if it is religion, then, isn't a Jewish state akin to an Islamic state?

And before anyone even hints at the democracy and liberty, the whole world is well aware of the liberties of the Palestinians or the Aborigines or the Haitians or the occupied Iraqis or the Americans who live in trailers or the rice grains or the cows or the whales or the deer or ....

All you are concerned is your selfish views, the most macroscopic view that you ever achieve stops with humans, which according to you is the be all and end all of things.

When will you realise that its all interconnected?

Humans. BAH!!!

I want to thank you, Mr. Totten, for writing this entry. I just read the Adbusters editorial and I was horrified. And I thought the same thing as you--the dots might have been yellow stars. I feel sick and angry. There's too much for me to say that I don't have time to go into now, but reading Mr. Lasn's bullshit as well as other frighteningly hateful comments left in response to your entry, talking about "hook noses" and more or less saying we deserved the Spanish Inquisition makes me realize that Anti-Semitism is alive and well in this world.
One of the scarier parts of the editorial--"And half of them are Jewish." Good dramatic emphasis. Good way to bring up the time-honored truth that Jews are always screwing things up, subverting the welfare of the state, and making off with all the money.
I'm horrified that this is what passes for the idealism of the radical left.

There's no doubt that Jews have too much power, and too little responsibility.

They have successfully cornered the 'victim' market, which has been both profitable and effective in silencing any and all criticism against them.

The poster Lisa here above isn't questioning the factual correctness of the mentioned historical episodes where Jews have betrayed their own country. No, she's appalled that someone dares bringing all this up.

Where's the ADL?
Where's Mossad?
Where's the car bomb to silence this guy?

She's shocked that someone dares say the very obvious, that Jews indeed are hook-nosed. But hey, they are. And short legged, and wide mouthed. And swarthy. And their eyes are too close. Most of them look like shit. Now it's been said. We all knew this beforehand. So what you gonna do? Scream antisemitist, what else?

You can scream all you want, but a fact's a fact.
There has been enough lying now.

JN

If you understand, things are as they are. If you do not understand, things are as they are.

He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare,And he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere.

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