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Happy Valentine’s Day…

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RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia's religious authorities have ordered Muslims to shun the "pagan" holiday of Valentine's Day so as not to incur God's wrath, the local al-Riyadh newspaper said Friday.

"It is a pagan Christian holiday and Muslims who believe in God and Judgment Day should not celebrate or acknowledge it or congratulate (people on it). It is a duty to shun it to avoid God's anger and punishment," said an edict issued by Saudi Arabia's fatwa committee published in the Arabic-language daily.

"There are only two holidays in Islam -- Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha -- and any other holidays, whether to celebrate an individual, group or event, are inventions which Muslims are banned from," said the committee, headed by Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdulaziz bin Abdullah al-Sheikh.

According to these clowns, God hates love, sex, romance, pagans, Christians, and holidays. At least they left the Jews out of it for once. But that was probably just an oversight.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at February 13, 2004 11:59 AM
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Posted by: anne.elk at February 13, 2004 12:11 PM

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If I was talking about fundamentalist Christians would you get my point? I'll bet you would.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at February 13, 2004 12:13 PM

Hey, did you just add that last sentence? Maybe I missed it earlier.

Okay, so uh, you're pissed off that Muslem religious authorities don't believe in Cupid? Or Hallmark?

Posted by: anne.elk at February 13, 2004 12:14 PM

Sorry, I am more clueless than usual this afternoon.

Phrase it like you're talking about fundamentalist Christians and I promise you, I'll give it my best shot.

Posted by: anne.elk at February 13, 2004 12:15 PM

Anne,

Use your imagination. Pretend Jerry Falwell wants to ban Valentine's Day and rants about how God hates Muslims and pagans.

And yes, I added the last sentence about two minutes after I first posted this, but before you added your comment.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at February 13, 2004 12:18 PM

anne.elk,

Is it OK to congratulate your muslim friend on Ramadan, or perhaps to wish him/her a happy muslim year?

Posted by: marek at February 13, 2004 12:19 PM

God hates love, sex, romance and holidays and Christians? Where do these Muslim religious authorities say that?

Posted by: anne.elk at February 13, 2004 12:20 PM

Anne, I think it's the wearying march of tyranny in all its facets, marching daily through the news. Almost as wearying as the daily drip of reductio ad absurdum argument...and comment.

Posted by: Stephen at February 13, 2004 12:21 PM

Marek, I'm a Conservative Jew, not a Muslim, so I can't say that what's okay by my religious authorities would be okay by theirs.

But I don't see their authorities saying they are to hate Christians, or hate sex, or hate romance. They seem to be saying it is not a Muslim holiday, so you shouldn't have anything to do with it.

It's not what I would do, but it doesn't sound all that far out too me. IDIC.

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Posted by: eric at February 13, 2004 01:29 PM

So Mother's Day is out, MLK day is out, 4th of July, Labor Day, Memorial Day... none of which seem to have particular religious connotations to me. And you can't say "Happy Mother's Day," either, I guess, since you're not supposed to acknowledge it or congratulate anyone (or risk God's anger and punishment).

Valentine's Day is verboten because it's a celebration of romance, whereas the arranged marriage is the ideal if you're a Muslim. But I didn't know that was religious, I thought it was a leftover tribal custom.

The concept of "fun" seems kind of remote to me here. I'm sure that's just my ignorance.

After all, my first impulse is to view all of this as ridiculous superstition.

Posted by: miklos rosza at February 13, 2004 01:38 PM

anne.elk,

The point is that even not being a Christian I’ll say Merry Christmas to my Christian friends, neighbors, colleges, etc. And if anybody wants to celebrate a friendly joyous day then I will wish him/her a happy whatever. However, Muslims are proscribed to be friendly to other denominations. And that’s the point anne.elk – your hiding behind ignorance is not an argument. As a matter of fact it might be a matter of survival for you, as a Jew, to remember this basic tenet of Islam.

Posted by: marek at February 13, 2004 01:53 PM

Well, it seems there are other fundamentalists who find Valentine's Day objectionable as a western onslaught on their values.
http://asia.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/south/02/11/india.valentines.ap/

Change is hard, tolerance harder.

Posted by: Alene Berk at February 13, 2004 05:57 PM

anne.elk – In Saudi Arabia, the for penalty converting from Islam to another religion is death.

If you’d like to hear their religious authorities saying that 'they are to hate Christians’ I can find you many links to various high-ranking, officially sanctioned Saudi Imams saying exactly that in their Friday sermons.

The only thing that’s remarkable about this Valentine’s day banning is that, for some reason, they left the Jews out of it. (When they banned Barbie, they called her a Jewish Barbie???)

If all of this doesn’t sound ‘too far out’ to you, then there’s a problem.

Posted by: mary at February 13, 2004 05:59 PM

"It's not what I would do, but it doesn't sound all that far out to me"...

This, in a nutshell, is exactly the type of leftist relativism that is destroying the Democratic Party. And breaking my heart. I pray FDR rises from the dead to smack some sense into you.

Posted by: Grant McEntire at February 13, 2004 09:39 PM

--"It is a pagan Christian holiday --

Oh, yeah, we can live w/these people.

They keep telling us and we don't listen.

Posted by: Sandy P. at February 14, 2004 09:31 AM

At least they aren't talking about slaughtering people celebrating Valentine's day. I think we are seeing progress in the Religion of Peace.

Posted by: JJ Walker at February 14, 2004 09:34 AM

Anne,

pretent it's the Israelis and their "Jewish State" which you Leftists find so objectionable.

Posted by: David at February 14, 2004 11:47 PM

Now this is a Valentine. ("Work safe", I promise). Saudi Arabia, take note.

Posted by: lewy14 at February 15, 2004 03:56 AM

Also interesting is the quote presented:
"There are only two holidays in Islam -- Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha -- and any other holidays, whether to celebrate an individual, group or event, are inventions which Muslims are banned from,"

That means you can't celebrate birthdays because that would be celebrating an individual.

Posted by: Jono at February 15, 2004 05:29 PM

fwiw, valentine's day is a pagan holiday w/a christian overlay, which is why this jewish family ... probably best described as having 1 foot, and a couple of toes on the other, in the orthodox camp ... doesn't observe it. but we don't threaten to jail, maim or kill anybody who does.

Posted by: greeneyeshade at February 16, 2004 12:05 AM

Bye your lights, then, Christmas and (especially!) Easter are pagan holidays, too.

Or, more likely, they used to be pagan holidays, but have been supplanted by Christian holidays.

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