February 12, 2004

No Sleaze, Please (Updated)

Andrew Sullivan is plenty peeved about the Kerry story.

If the Republicans are behind this, they deserve to be trashed. This is absolutely not something that deserves to be a factor in our current debate.
Same goes for any Democratic campaign that might be behind this.

I certainly don't want to go back to the lurid and hysterical anti-Clinton days. I think that's true for a lot of people. So-called Clinton-fatigue was caused as much by Kenneth Starr as it was by Bill and Hill.

This is the first election since September 11. We have some grown-up problems to take care of, problems much of the rest of the world pretends don't even exist. Save the sleaze and the ass-clowning for Jerry Springer.


UPDATE: Several people in the comments point out that no one in the GOP is likely behind this story. The timing is off. It would make more sense to wait until Kerry is the nominee before “leaking”this story into the press.

That’s a good point. That won’t, however, exonerate the right if they decide to run with this and make a big stink out of a tabloid story during war time.

Free advice to Republicans: Drop it.


UPDATE: Can I direct my free advice to a wider audience? The media ought to drop this, too. They are unserious enough as it is.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at February 12, 2004 03:44 PM
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I doubt the Republicans are behind this. Not because of any high standards but simply because it's too early. They would have waited until the general election.

Posted by: Randal Robinson at February 12, 2004 03:58 PM

It does appears to come from the Clark campaign, which is kind of odd, given that Clark just endorce Kerry. Although former Kerry communications directory Chris Lehane who landed at Clark campaign might have release this as a parting shot for the '04 campaign season

Posted by: BigFire at February 12, 2004 04:04 PM

I agree.I don't think the Republicans would want to chance a run against Edwards,especially if they had this kind of dirt on Kerry.

Posted by: Jussi Hämäläinen at February 12, 2004 04:09 PM

The timings wrong for the RNC, unless they're just freaking out about "other stuff" and trying to stay on top of the news cycle.

Posted by: praktike at February 12, 2004 04:15 PM

If the Republicans are behind this, they deserve to be trashed.

Nonsense. The story is either true or it isn't, Repulicans or no Republicans.

This is the first election since September 11. We have some grown-up problems to take care of,...

That's right. And that's why the Dems have to lose. So as long as the Dems would rather talk about anything BUT national security, then the GOP will indulge them.

Posted by: David at February 12, 2004 04:34 PM

Better now than in October, at least.

Posted by: jack bog at February 12, 2004 04:34 PM

David,

We do not need two unserious parties right now. Don't like the Dems? Encourage them to grow up instead of sinking to Jerry Springer's level.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at February 12, 2004 04:36 PM

This isn't a GOP hatchet job. It is way too early for that. It is not too early for the Wisconsin primary, however, is it?

Posted by: Randy at February 12, 2004 04:39 PM

Unlikely its the Republicans, too early and they don't need to. This is the tactic for someone who is running behind.

Posted by: steve at February 12, 2004 04:43 PM

Fat chance that the media will drop this. The chance to monger some sex scandal trumps all other media bias. It's not just sales-driven, it's their chance to let loose and milk their jobs.

I suspect that larger amounts of people will tune it out though. Likewise the Bush AWOL stuff or the Plame scandal.

Posted by: John in Tokyo at February 12, 2004 05:04 PM

Further evidence that Andrew Sullivan is off his nut.

Just what is it the Republicans are supposed to drop? Right now all evidence points in the direction of Chris Lehane, with a possibility of Wesley Clark involvement. Evidently much of this has been an open secret in Democratic circles for at least a week.

This is the Year of the Lemming for the Democratic Party, Republicans don't need to get involved. Does anyone really think 'AWOL', rehashed Viet Nam angst, and love letters to Iranian Mullahs are going to throw Bush in a panic? John Kerry is a dream candidate for Republicans.

Be careful about invoking Jerry Springer. As an Ohioan, let me note that the Ohio Democratic Party has seriously considered fielding Jerry Springer as a U.S. Senate candidate more than once over the past 10 years.

Posted by: DennisThePeasant at February 12, 2004 05:11 PM

Free advice to Republicans: Drop it.

I don't know that it's in the interest of the Republicans to try to derail Kerry at this point anyway. Personally I think they have plenty of ammo they intend to go after Kerry with (more liberal than Kennedy, flip-flopping on war issue in 1991 and 2002, anti-war Vietnam protests, Senate voting record) and would rather face him than Edwards, or possibly even Hillary Clinton if it ends up in a brokered convention.

If there's anything to this the media will run with it without any prodding from the Republicans. I'm surprised that none of the TV news networks are mentioning this yet (not even Fox News). I'm guessing they're waiting for a little more solid information. It's all over the blogosphere though so I don't think it will be contained for long if there's any substance to it. The days when the mainstream media could decide to sit on a story are over.

Posted by: Randal Robinson at February 12, 2004 05:15 PM

Michael:

I agree. Unfortunately, I think that horse already left the barn with the Bush-is-AWOL story.

Posted by: Fredrik Nyman at February 12, 2004 05:47 PM

Right now all evidence points in the direction of Chris Lehane, with a possibility of Wesley Clark involvement.

I love how speculation becomes fact like this. "All evidence", huh? Like what?

And why would Clark slime Kerry and then endorse him?

Posted by: Mithras at February 12, 2004 05:48 PM

Please remember that everything depends on JFK's reaction to the rumor. If he does not tell the truth, it may become an election issue. Given what we know about him, the probability that JFK tells the truth before election date is well below one half.

Posted by: Edgardo at February 12, 2004 05:51 PM

This will just be one more story to click away from while trying to glean 5 seconds worth of useful information from the 24-hr news networks. Kobe, AWOL, Martha, Laci, Kerry, and Oscar buzz--all activate the channel-surf reflexes. Makes the weather channel look attractive.

Posted by: Joel at February 12, 2004 06:01 PM

Mithras-

Craig Crawford of Congressional Quarterly is, as far as I know, the only journalist who has published on the source of the Drudge story. Crawford wrote that Lehane was most probably the source because he had been shopping the story to other candidates' campaigns for a week.

Drudge states that Clark told a dozen reporters earlier this week that Kerry's campaign would "implode over an intern issue".

There may be more out there, but this is what I had found at the time I posted.

Posted by: DennisThePeasant at February 12, 2004 06:08 PM

As to your endorsement question, I can think of one reason to endorse after leaking:

Cover Your Ass

Posted by: DennisThePeasant at February 12, 2004 06:09 PM

If it's false, why hasn't Kerry denied it?

Posted by: Andrew Hagen at February 12, 2004 06:17 PM

In relation to your advice to the media, why would they pass a free, good lunch? Other than NTY, BBC and other with a political agenda, their business is based on these lunches!!

Posted by: Edgardo at February 12, 2004 06:30 PM

Andrew Hagan: If it's false, why hasn't Kerry denied it?

For starters, not even Fox has reported it yet.

I'll laugh if the blogosphere moves beyond this before the rest of the country even hears about it.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at February 12, 2004 06:33 PM

The media in this country has become more dispicable than the political class if that's possible. Yesterday the President gave a vitally important speech on a new approach to halting nuclear proliferation and the media obsesses over his 1971 dental records. My theory is that the media plays to the sixty percent of the country that doesn't vote but that the forty percent that does vote has a lot of common sense and sees through this crap (loonies of the left and right make up may be 1o percent of that 40 percent) Thank god for the blogosphere.

Posted by: Doug at February 12, 2004 06:38 PM

Nothing I've seen or heard so far (which isn't much) suggests it's a GOP hatchett job. In fact, it's come from the Clark and Howard Dean camps so far.

I would venture to take a wild guess that this is actually the Clintons acting through Clark so a) Bush wins in 2004 and Hilary can run in 2008, or b) Hilary replaces Dean as the candidate for 2004.

Posted by: David at February 12, 2004 06:45 PM

correction: Hilary to replace Kerry in 2004.

Posted by: David at February 12, 2004 06:46 PM

As of this morning, before this story broke, I forsaw Hillary Clinton going for a VP slot with Kerry. (Consider the target-rich environment THAT would give us!) I said this because I still see her trying to make some serous noise for this cycle, not next.

Now, given Clark is the Clinton's minion, one wonders if this wasn't the Clintons exerting a little pressure to arrange things.

Posted by: Bithead at February 12, 2004 06:51 PM

I don't give a shit about Kerry's sex life. What I do care about is that he spent his congressional career voting to gut our intelligence services and disarm our military. The Democrats are all screaming about intelligence failures over 9/11 and WMD's. Well the blame for these failures can be placed squarely on the shoulders of John Kerry.

If a sex scandal is what it takes to keep Kerry out of office then so be it. He's done enough harm to the country already.

Posted by: HA at February 12, 2004 06:54 PM

Michael, there's an alternative to ignoring the adultery, on the one hand, and to going Jerry Springer with it, on the other. Instead, the forum should state, "He's commiting adultery with the interns in his office? He's out. Next candidate please!" No chat about details. Just summary execution of the campaign.

Adulterously screwing interns is disqualifying, even if going Jerry Springer with this is abhorrent.

Posted by: Jim at February 12, 2004 06:58 PM

Guys with power love to get their nob polished by interns. LOL

Posted by: David at February 12, 2004 07:05 PM

No way is this from the Republicans. If so than they are guilty of worse than rumor mongering…flat out stupidity! Kerry is by far the most beatable of the bunch.

Michael as a newly registered Republican I must say there maybe something in the water over here that will keep you an independent. Character really does count more on this side and the Democrats know it as well. Don’t ascribe your mentality to the Republican’s motives.

The reason why Democrats cynically went after Arnold Swartznegger for unproven sexual allegations far less serious than Clinton’s proven ones is because they know Republican’s care about such things, not because they do, and they were trying to push a critical mass of Republican’s to McClintock, now that is cynical. If Clinton were a Republican he would have probably been impeached by Republican’s as well, the reverse is not the case.

Democrats are much guiltier of double standards. One would be blind to not see that. I spent my whole life pulling the Dems lever in the voting booth and have always felt that Republican’s had an edge on such issues. Republican’s either sideline their own or step aside, Packwood, Gingrich, Livingston, Lott, give me the Democrats list. Democrats never do, for me I think it is admirable whether one agrees with them or not, it is not based in cynicism. Democrats feigning a deep sense of hypocritical outrage towards Republicans for things they are guiltier of on their own are more often the norm, and that is cynical.

Also Ken Starr, like most Republicans was against the independent counsel law and Republicans had voted against it every time. The Democrats loved it because they had always had the power and could use it at their discretion. After getting a taste of their own medicine the Democrats finally gained the wisdom that Republican’s already had and joined them in defeating it. Ken Starr was doing his job, and following the statute closely, it was written to go after Republicans not Democrats, but now it struck home. The fact that one would put equal blame on Ken Starr with a perjuring Bill Clinton is one of the more unimpressive and disappointing statements I’ve heard from you.

Posted by: Samuel at February 12, 2004 09:10 PM

As tempting as it is to get mad at Republicans for Democratic politicians displaying an inability to keep their genitals in check, I think you are out of line.

Lehane and Clark are hip deep in this story and I suspect this is coming directly from the Clintons.

You are tired of sex stories about politicians? I'm personally sick of politicians that don't even bother to maintain a level of honesty in their marriage - much less their work.

Sorry Michael. This story is the child of the Democrat party. Don't act like the loons over at DU and start pointing fingers at the Republicans just because you don't like the turn of events.

Posted by: Roark at February 12, 2004 09:31 PM

Remember Anita Hill............the outrage that a man would talk about pubic hair on a coke can....
OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!...What???? Democrats do this too??? Nevermind.

Posted by: Masonn at February 12, 2004 09:34 PM

Roark,

I'm convinced already the Republicans probably aren't behind this.

Heck, I'm not even sure this scandal is real. It could be utterly bogus for all any of us know.

And what evidence is there that Lehane is behind it? I haven't seen any.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at February 12, 2004 10:22 PM

Roark,

When I say I haven't seen evidence about Lehane, I'm not saying it doesn't exist. Just that I haven't seen it...

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at February 12, 2004 10:47 PM

"UPDATE: Can I direct my free advice to a wider audience? The media ought to drop this, too." - MJT

Heh heh heh. "Free advice, worth ever penny." I doubt anyone's going to take it Michael. In politics, this stuff is like handing out free crack to junkies. My crystal ball predicts that the shitstrom is gonna get worse, meaner and a lot uglier than litle intern stories before this is done. ;]

Posted by: Ironbear at February 13, 2004 02:29 AM

Apparently in recognition of Kerry's stellar Congressional record of wrecking our intelligence and military services, he has now been endorsed by Hezbollah and the Iranian mullahcrocy:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=324481&contrassID=2&subContrassID=15&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

http://www.tehrantimes.com/archives/Description.asp?Da=2/8/2004&Cat=2&Num=026

I'm sure if Bin Laden was giving interviews, he woudl endorse Kerry too.

A vote for Kerry is a vote for the terrorists!

Posted by: HA at February 13, 2004 04:30 AM

"And what evidence is there that Lehane is behind it? I haven't seen any."

Not a bit that you can take to the bank.

All I got is aluminum tin foil hat deflection beanie ideas that Lehane was Kerry's man and left. Then he was Clark's man. And then this story breaks from Clark's lips.

Beyond that, I've only seen as much as you have.

Thank you for your absolution of the Republicans on this one. I didn't enjoy the Clinton business anymore than most anyone who is anywhere near the middle (or anyone near their sanity); but after weeks of breathless reporting on a story invented by Michael Moore, I am about sick of the constant pounding with no justification.

The AWOL story has run its course. The Boston Globe retracted it. The source has since admitted he was talking out of his butt. The President got an honorable discharge. He has released pay stubs and dental records. And yet, no one seems to be as upset that Michael Moore seems to be setting the tone for the national press core and, so far, I've not seen you give your stern warning to the Democrats to "drop it".

As such - if we are going to play dirty this Presidential election - I see no problems with playing dirty. Kerry's affair might be unsettling, but so far this entire election cycle has been nasty - all at the behest of the Democrats who have decided to do their best impression of a Klu Klux Klan meeting during Freaknick - and if the level of discourse gets nasty and poor John Kerry gets dragged through some mud, I think its about time for some equal treatment.

Posted by: Roark at February 13, 2004 05:37 AM

Sorry but the far right (Matt Drudge) already made an issue out this. Look at all the far right blogs and talkradio that liked to the story.

A real journalist (liberal) knows to report whatever is in the public good. The far right just wants to make money and smear Kerry while censoring Janet's boob (along with anti-war critics).

Don't worry we will shut them up next year. President Kerry will revoke their FCC licences and remind them that the internet (and blogs) are PUBLIC domanin. Democrats 2004!!!!

Posted by: Anti-right Watchdog at February 13, 2004 06:01 AM

All;

This story was around LONNNNNNNGGGGG before Drudge was onto it.

Democrats are already trying to play the blame game, in their own lying fashion. The vtelegraph posted, yesterday that:

"Democratic sources blamed the allegation on Republican 'dirty tricks'. They said it marked the long-expected start of a campaign from the Right to smear the frontrunner and damage his chances of fighting a strong campaign against President George W Bush"

Does nobody actually check this stuff? Let's be honest here. This is a Republican op only if you think Weasely Clark is a Republican this week. And he's a Republican only if Bill Clinton is a good role model.

In any event, for all the credit Drudge deserves for running the story, the fact is, it's not his story, really. This story was being shopped around for months, and has been in blogdom for the last month. Consider the story at this link, and note the date it was posted.

http://www.watchblog.com/thirdparty/archives/000780.html

Posted by: Bithead at February 13, 2004 07:02 AM

Michael,

It is very likely that a large number of the populous doesn't care who Kerry sleeps with, but there is a percentage of those independents who do. (Democrats won't drop their support because of this scandal and the Republicans would never vote for this guy anyway.) Therefore it is the job of journalists to investigate.

I've seen several references here to the President's allegedly being AWOL during his guard term. That is relevant and important to a certain slice of voters. The press deemed it worthy of further investigation on the possibility that it might be true.

Most importantly, let's not forget what the job of journalists is; it is to sell newspapers, and sex sells.

Posted by: Jamie at February 13, 2004 07:40 AM

Hang on a second, there is at a minimum (assuming you don't care about the personal morality of the president) one hugely important question raised by this story.

If Kerry had an affair with an intern AFTER the Lewinsky story, does this not cast huge doubts on his judgement? Doubts similar to those case over Clinton for pursuing such an affair while being investigated for sexual harrasment?

Seems to me if Kerry was doing this in the last few years, people should step back and wonder what other incredibly stupid mistakes he is capable of.

Posted by: Hacksaw at February 13, 2004 08:44 AM

Michael:

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the lamestream press were as reticent about running with the bogus-and-unravelling-as-we-speak Bush AWOL story as they've been so far about the Kerry-hasn't-denied-it-yet intern story?

"There's no story there" isn't the same as "It never happened".

The Democrats will NEVER become a grownup party with a ranting sleaze like Terry McAuliffe at the helm. And a losing sleaze, to boot.

Posted by: furious_a at February 13, 2004 05:05 PM

I know I'm in the minority here, but it is highly relevant to my vote whether John Kerry recently cheated on his wife. I think that a preson's private behavior is perhaps the best indicator I have of what kind of President he will be because it speaks to his character. If George Bush were found to have cheated on Laura in the last 10-20 years, it would rearrange my opinion of him completely.

Posted by: rds at February 15, 2004 07:41 PM

BTW, the "too early" argument could also be used by Democrats to defend the idea that the whole Bush-AWOL story is a DNC hatchet job.

And, of course, both sides can then point fingers and say "it's because they're too stupid to time it right".

Posted by: Slartibartfast at February 17, 2004 09:10 AM

This may sound far-fetched, but timing aside I think the Kerry campaign could benefit by floating such a story itself. It is a plausible scandal with no legs, gives Kerry a pre-emptive opportunity to indignantly deny a smear attempt, it makes him look like a faithful guy and not a golddigger, and it works just as easily to entrap a Dem rival as it does Karl Rove. The question is, who made the original assertion about the videotaped interviewed and can't that be verified with the station manager?

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