February 10, 2004
Treachery?
Oliver Kamm is back from vacation, and he’s hitting Al Gore pretty hard.
Al Gore confirmed his unfitness for public office with a speech whose standards of tawdriness and mendacity will remain unsurpassed till the stars burn out and the heavens implode…Read the rest. He’s right on target as usual. Posted by Michael J. Totten at February 10, 2004 09:27 PMI’m ashamed to admit it, but I had hoped for a Gore victory in 2000 (especially given his running mate), as indeed I have hoped for a Democrat victory in every Presidential election I can recall. (That goes back to the feckless Jimmy Carter in 1976 – I never said my preferences were correct.) Moreover, if you can credit this, I supported Gore primarily on grounds of foreign policy. I expected a Bush administration to have a view of national security so circumscribed that it would fail to see the strategic as well as moral necessity of maintaining Nato’s presence in the Balkans, and perhaps even seek to end the unstable system of containment of Saddam Hussein by cutting a deal with the tyrant (“no blood for oil”, so to speak)…
“Betrayed this country”, indeed – whereupon the former Vice-President adopts the nomenclature of Ann Coulter and Michael Moore in accusing his political opponents not merely of holding mistaken opinions but of practising treachery.
When the right does it, it's okay. When the left refuses to fight back, they're "wimpy liberals". When they do fight back, they're coarsening the tone. C'mon.
Posted by: Oliver at February 10, 2004 09:35 PMOliver,
When the right does what it's okay? Accuse opponents of treason? I give that sort of behavior a smackdown whenever I come across it, no matter who does it. It's not okay. And it's especially not okay for a former vice president to do it.
Posted by: Michael J. Totten at February 10, 2004 10:08 PMW. may have done us some serious dirt with the way he orchestrated the Iraq War, but he's not a traitor.
Gore is such a putz, which is why he's unemployed.
Posted by: jack bog at February 10, 2004 10:20 PMYeah...the first glimpse of that clip I got I was absolutely speechless. Beyond words. I wasn't even sure it was Al Gore for a second. Has anyone here EVER seen him like that before?
The guy's cracking up.
Posted by: Grant McEntire at February 10, 2004 10:58 PMI believe George W. Bush's policies have weakend the country, weakened our economy, ballooned our debt, killed our children, bogged down our Army, limited our options towards North Korea, China and Iran, damaged our reserve forces, dangerously drawn down our supplies of ammunition, traded our jobs away, rewarded corrupt CEOs, badly damaged our environment, increased our reliance on foreign oil, increased divisive class politics, hurt our ability to rely on allies abroad, hurt the prospects for Middle East peace, tossed away our Space Program, dramatically weakened civil rights, illegally detained citizens without a trial, purposefully lied to the people, incompetently led a war and rewarded his friends.
He came to town as a uniter.
Has he betrayed our trust? Yes. Has he betrayed the country? Yes.
I, name, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and I will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Has he betrayed his oath of office? Yes.
Posted by: anne.elk at February 10, 2004 11:01 PMAnne...
I count 22 accusations total there, with no evidence to back any of it up, all under the heading of "I Believe...".
Your superior logic has convinced me...Bush has just got to go.
Posted by: Grant McEntire at February 10, 2004 11:09 PMOops...scratch that. It's 23.
All the more convincing.
Posted by: Grant McEntire at February 10, 2004 11:12 PMCan you imagine just how angry Ted Kennedy was yesterday when he discovered that Al Gore had gone through half his office liquor cabinet while writing that speech and the other half just before giving it?
Posted by: DennisThePeasant at February 11, 2004 04:33 AMAnne Anne, for sure Bush did nothing to limit our options on NK. But Jimmy Carter surely did. We should have taken care of NK then, instead we bought him off. And of course the other side did not keep their word and made Nukes anyway. I guess we should go and give them money and food again for promises they will never keep right? As far as Iran, they are now waiting for us to Vote Bush out so they can jail the dissidents and out options have expanded, we have most of our Army in the country to the SW of them.
The Dot.Com bust is not Bush's fault, it is not Clinton's fault. It is the fault of the Investors and the Dot.Com people. They had nothing, no true business plan, no inventory, no building. And people were throwing money at them. It seriously raised the prices of IT people, not that I minded that part I am IT, it made more IT people leave a typical job to take a Dot.Com job(not me, I saw that bust for what it was), causing those business's to look elsewhere for talent. The Indian's smartly saw a market for their talent and jumped on it. Who can blame them.
You spend your way out of a recession. Now once this little downturn is over, if he continues to spend like this, expect a back lash in the 2006 elections.
Our Army is not bogged down because of Bush, until the 1990's the Army was structured to be able to fight two fronts of a global war. But to cut spending they cut numbers of Military Service. I will not mention which President's started this trend.
When our Manufacturing starts up, we can create more ammunition than we will ever need.
Bush actually traded jobs away eh. Not our economy or our Unions. Do you know anything about running a business? Would you as an owner lose money dealing with a Union in this country, or move it over seas, no union, less salary. Think before you write.
Rewarding Corrupt CEO's, who was the President when these theives were ripping off their employees and the American Publics money? Oh yes, mostly done under the previous Admin. Who pardoned a known CEO theif Mark Rich?
In what way did he damage our Environment? His Ideas for the Clear Skies inititive just got a Thumbs Up from a non-political environmental study.
How does the President increase our reliance on Foreign Oil? By not drilling in the ANWAR, oh wait he wishes to do this, people like you do not want him too. By supporting the Hydrogen Solution with money, by offering a 2k tax credit for hybrid cars. What do you want?
Increased Devivise class politics. You need to look to the other side of the Aisle. The Poor are not getting any of these tax cuts. Well you know, you have pay taxes to get a tax cut. Please.
Hurt our ability to rely on allies? Allies like France, big time kick backs in the Oil for Food program. Allies like Germany same, allies like Russia same. Not to mention the fact that those countries signed big time oil deals with Iraq, on the stipulation Saddam stays in Power and the sanctions are dropped.
Hurt chances for peace in the Middle East, he is doing more now to help Peace in the Middle East than any President before. Bringing Democracy to those people, Capitalism and free market will bring freedom and peace.
Tossed away our Space Program, he is giving them more money. And is talking Manned Mission to Mars. Do you even read the papers?
Dramatically weakened our Civil Rights. That's right we have been arresting those protestors left and right. Oh wait no we have not. We been rounding up those Democrats, wait no we have not.
Legally detained Non-combatants, non-combatants that the Geneva accords gives us to Kill upon capture. Or do you not know that? I am thinking Detaining them for a few years, getting their information, reforming them from radical Islamism to a more moderate view, giving them new clothes and feeding them better than some of them have ever been fed. Teaching them English and other subjects. But you are right, it is worse than those Gulags in NK.
You can not lie if you are telling what has been told to you as truth. "Until Saddam Hussein fell I knew he had WMD." Who said this? Bill Clinton, why because he had gotten the same briefs that Bush is now getting. How is that a lie?
Led the swiftist War in the history of Wars. The fastest Capture of a Capital City in the history of such a thing. Not even the Germans captured Paris as quickly. If this is incompetence, please give me more incompetence. If this is your idea of incompetence, I am glad I do not work for you.
Which President was the first to Award Halliburton with a no-bid Contract? Hint, it was not a republican. Wait for it, Bill Clinton, I guess he was just rewarding his friends as well right?
9/11 we were attacked by Radical Islamists, what did we do? Did we send a few missles, making them more bold? No we attacked and took them out. 14 of the hi-jackers came from Saudia Arabia, do we just keep our troops there and protecting the Monarchy? Uh no, we invade Iraq and got our troops out. Now the Monarchy appears to be fighting Terrorism. Mainly to save their own asses, soon they will hear rumblings much like what we hear in Iran these days.
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Posted by: James Stephenson at February 11, 2004 05:45 AMcorrection, "Legally detained Non-combatants, non-combatants that the Geneva accords gives us to Kill upon capture."
Should read, "Legally detained Non-combatants, non-combatants that the Geneva accords gives us the right to Kill upon capture."
Posted by: James at February 11, 2004 05:46 AMI read a great humor article. The parody's title:
Dean Begs Gore to Endorse Kerry Instead
Last-Ditch Attempt to Salvage Campaign
Posted by: Rob at February 11, 2004 07:02 AMThank God the closest Gore will ever get to the Oval Office is lounging on the set of The West Wing. I think it's Hugh Hewitt who has speculated Gore contracted the virus depicted in the sci-fi movie 28 Days Later (possibly the result of contact with Howard Dean).
And James S, note also Bush upped the allocation for the NEA, a move hardly calculated to appease his conservative base.
Posted by: Zhombre at February 11, 2004 07:10 AMYou know, Clinton lied about sex and the GOP not only claimed that he "betrayed" the trust of the presidency -- they wrote into an impeachment resolution and passed it in the House.
HR 661 in 1998 said, in part: "In doing this, William Jefferson Clinton has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the presidency, has betrayed his trust as president, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice to the manifest injury of the people of the United States."
Bush's relationship to the truth is so ridiculously thin that no one bothers to point out that all kinds of off the kuff remarks he throws out are demonstratably false. We all just chalk it up to his dim wit. Oh what a world!
Posted by: harry at February 11, 2004 07:49 AMHarry
The President lied about sex under oath in a disposition for a sexual harrassment suit, so yea he betrayed the office of the President. But so long as you get your news from Begala you will just remember he lied about sex. President Bush was mistaken about WMDs, he did not lie about them, there is a difference. And now we have a much better understanding of teh Bazaar that is WMDs, better we get a handle on this shit now, with boots on the ground in the ME. I for one am no longer willing to trust the security of the US on the goodwill of others countries and thier intentions. France and Germany, 2 countries that owe us big time, f****D us over for some petrol dollars in the middle east. Start connecting the dots, check out the Belmont club for some frightening analysis of middle east.
Posted by: Kevin at February 11, 2004 08:47 AMGrant,
I count 22 accusations total there, with no evidence to back any of it up, all under the heading of "I Believe...".
I lieu of the above statement please go to Michael’s missing the point and kindly answer my response. I tried to be fair.
Posted by: Samuel at February 11, 2004 09:35 AMWhen the right does it, it's the end of the world and such pundits/politicians should be banned from public life, the airwaves, etc. When the left does it, they're bravely "fighting back." You know, this "fighting" rhetoric didn't work for Gore then, it doesn't now and it won't for Kerry.
Posted by: HH at February 11, 2004 10:52 AMYou know, Clinton lied about sex and the GOP not only claimed that he "betrayed" the trust of the presidency...
Does a rapist when caught only "lie about sex"? C'mon, it's only sex.
Regarding Clinton, WHAT he lied about is irrelevant. Perjury is the issue. He lied in a court of law to protect his own ass in a lawsuit brought against him for sexual harrassment.
C'mon, who really believes he "only lied about sex".
Posted by: David at February 11, 2004 11:37 AMC'mon, who really believes he "only lied about sex" (Clinton)
The same people who believe Bush is a liar. I question their judgment, and intellectual honesty as well. I wonder why?
Posted by: Samuel at February 11, 2004 12:12 PMI question their judgment, and intellectual honesty as well. I wonder why?
Samuel, that's known as projection.
Posted by: anne.elk at February 11, 2004 01:17 PMWell, no matter how mind-numbingly foolish anne.elk may be, you simply cannot question her originality. I've never heard anyone complain, as she does, that Bush has "dangerously drawn down our supplies of ammunition." Classic.
Posted by: Michael Hall at February 11, 2004 01:34 PMC'mon, who really believes he "only lied about sex".
My bad. I always forget that he also lied about the drug runners he had murdered, the all day coke binges and killing vince foster.
Won't let it happen again. Cheerio!
Posted by: harry at February 11, 2004 01:38 PMPlease don't exhume Vince Foster and in addition resurrect the Clinton Chronicle slander about dead druggies and coke binges. It's ludicrous. Worse really than the Lt. Bush AWOL in 'Bama story. Clinton should be judged on what he actually did or failed to do in his tenure as POTUS. The perjury was real; the suborned witnesses were real; the flurry of last minute Presidential pardons including Marc Rich were real. We may debate that he did or did not adequately deal with the threat from Islamic terrorism, but there is no need to unearth phantoms from the bogs of Arkansas.
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Posted by: anne.elk at February 11, 2004 02:04 PMWhile you sleep, I'll brush up on my html skills.
Army's only small-arms-ammo plant runs near capacity
So, anne.elk, I read the Hackworth link. Do you propose we should devote more of the economy to weapons production? This would certainly boost the economy, unionized factories churning out fragmentation grenades and fifty caliber rounds.
Posted by: Zhombre at February 11, 2004 02:08 PMI've just woken up from my sleep and emerged from Neverland (unfortunately, anne.elk, to my dismay I did have to grow up, which is unfortunate becuase I would have much preferred to believe in Santa Claus, etc.).
I read the links you provided and they largely deal with blank ammunition -- yes, blanks. However, that is beside the point, for you claimed that Bush was responsible for this "dangerously" low supply of ammunition.
Do you seriously believe that Bush sits in the Oval Office and decides how many bullets (or blanks) are to be allocated to the troops? C'mon, please get serious. I guess Bush must be responsible for me stubbing my toe last week; after all, he was the President, wasn't he?
Posted by: Michael Hall at February 11, 2004 02:46 PMOkay, anne.elk, I'm done with the sarcasm. Can you make a serious argument?
Posted by: Michael Hall at February 11, 2004 02:48 PMI see no mention of blanks in Galloway's article, and since "new production was being directed to units fighting..." I doubt he was referring to blanks.
Since your link clicky thingy may not be working, I'll help you out by posting the article.
" Army's only small-arms-ammo plant runs near capacity
By Joseph L. Galloway
KNIGHT RIDDER NEWSPAPERS
FORT BELVOIR, Va. - The general who runs the Army Materiel Command said Friday that the Army's only plant making small-arms ammunition was running at near capacity and that new production was being directed to units fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq and those training to deploy there soon.
Gen. Paul Kern told Knight Ridder in an exclusive interview that giving these units priority ensured they had enough small-arms ammunition. "Everyone else will have to pay the price" and wait for it, he said.
The increased demand for ammunition for combat shooting and intensified training has made deep inroads in the nation's war reserves of small-arms ammunition, Kern said.
The Army's sole plant making small-arms ammunition, the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant in Independence, Mo., is running three eight-hour shifts a day, six days a week, turning out 4 million rounds a day.
The plant provides 5.56 mm rifle, 7.62 mm and .50-caliber machine gun as well as 9 mm pistol cartridges for all branches of the military.
Because of the increased demand for ammunition since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and America's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Kern said the Army in late December awarded two supplemental contracts to Olin Winchester Co. and Israeli Military Industries for each to produce 70 million rifle rounds per month beginning in June.
The general said it would probably take until 2005 to get small-arms ammunition production to a level at which there will be enough to cover all the increased training needs and begin rebuilding the war reserves.
"We can't just go out and buy our ammunition commercially," Kern said. "We maintain very tight quality controls. Our ammo has to work, at 40 below zero or 140 degrees."
He added that the Army has put an additional $225 million into small-arms-ammunition production and additional armor for Humvees since the Sept. 11 attacks.
In addition to combat requirements, two other things were driving the increased demand for ammunition: increased live-fire training for combat service support units and the fact that the Reserves and National Guard were shooting as much as the active Army as they trained for deployment to combat, Kern said."
To whoever was asking about directing more of the economy towards supplies, why yes of course, if that's what it takes. Why are you afraid to support the troops?
Posted by: anne.elk at February 11, 2004 03:04 PMUm, okay. From the Hackworth article you linked to:
"We were loaded down with far more blank ammunition than we could fit in our ammunition pouches, but when we made ‘contact’ with the Yanks, we found that many of them had almost no blank training rounds,' Aussie Pvt. Simon Parmiter said."
Note the words "blank ammunition." Anne.elk, did you think that American and Australian forces would be using live ammunition with one another?
However, as I stated previously, that is beside the point. Conspicuously absent from your posts is any argument whatsoever why Bush is responsible for this alleged lack of bullets. Is Bill Gates responsbile if a fax machine in a Microsoft office in Fairfax, Virginia runs out of paper? Is Bush responsble if some army units are low on ammunition? Does he really make those decisions? Do you assert with a straight face that he does?
Posted by: Michael Hall at February 11, 2004 03:28 PMOh, anne.elk, by the way, the article you cited does not support your position. According to the Galloway article, "new production was being directed to units fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq and those training to deploy there soon.
"Gen. Paul Kern told Knight Ridder in an exclusive interview that giving these units priority ensured they had enough small-arms ammunition.
"The increased demand for ammunition for combat shooting and intensified training has made deep inroads in the nation's war reserves of small-arms ammunition, Kern said."
So "deep inrounds" have been made in the "nation's war RESERVES of small-arms ammunition" [emphasis added]. Funny, anne.elk, because from reading you I would have thought that U.S. soldiers didn't have enough ammunition to load their weapons.
Posted by: Michael Hall at February 11, 2004 04:13 PMAs we know, after 9/11 everything changed. Bush planned from 9/12/01 to invade Iraq. Yes, if 30 months later, the troops do not have enough ammunition to carry out the responsibilities we've assigned them, then yes, Bush is to blame.
War is all about logistics.
"The general said it would probably take until 2005 to get small-arms ammunition production to a level at which there will be enough to cover all the increased training needs and begin rebuilding the war reserves."
Note: we want to do Syria, Iran, NK, and defend Taiwan against China. There are also plans to liberate the *stans in the name of human rights.
But our war reserves are gone.
And complete your own quotation:
""Everyone else will have to pay the price" and wait for it, he said."
"Everyone else" are those troops in South Korea, the troops at Guantanamo (where you can't handle the truth), the troops in Bosnia and Kosovo, and troops in over 100 more locations around the world.
Why do you hate our troops?
Posted by: anne.elk at February 11, 2004 04:27 PMOkely dokely, I guess I can't say I wasn't warned. I knew that anne.elk was a nut, yet I persisted in trying to convince her with logic. Anne.elk, you're right: I "hate our troops." What gave it away? Damn, you figured me out!
Posted by: Michael Hall at February 11, 2004 04:49 PMMy apologies to those who've read this thread.
Posted by: Michael Hall at February 11, 2004 05:25 PMIncidentally, I e-mailed you, anne.elk, to tell you that I'd responded to your comments, but your e-mail address appears to be a fraud.
Posted by: Michael Hall at February 11, 2004 06:15 PMLike most of the left Anne.elk can't see or refuses to see the strategic big picture and the good done for our cause by the take down of this odious dictator. And no argument will change her mind. Regarding Clinton, it is time to face some truth here (I voted for him twice and think he did a number of good and important things mainly in conjunction with the Republican Congress) the man was fundamentally unserious about American national security. While seeming to understand the strategic dangers we faced from international terrorism he lacked the will, oh let's not mince words, the balls to follow through. It's inconceivable that Clinton would have done anything that put a single soldier at risk. He would never risk a delta operation to snatch terrorists or anything like that because a failure could use up his political capital and efect either his re-election or his "legacy." Every decision he made was vetted through political ops. I just do not believe this about President Bush. And that is why, whatever mistakes he makes, I will vote for him. Kerry is everything that is bad about Clinton and none of what is good.
Posted by: Doug at February 11, 2004 07:53 PMSo of all the things I refuted, the only thing you can latch onto is the ammunition supply.
A supply that will be caught up before we invade N Korea or Iran or put down the unrest in SA or Syria, don't worry yourself about any of that all.
I have never met a supply officer or non-com anywhere who felt he had enough of anything. We may have enough to kill every person in the world ten times over and this guy would probably comment, you know we need 10 times more than we have now.
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