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You are so far wrong its unbelievable.

The BBC is staunchly anti-British, staunchly anti-American, moderately pro-terrorist, and moderately pro-Baathist

The Beeb is none of those.

It is a public service broadcaster with a remit to be evenhanded and balanced. This necessitates a sometimes lack of flag waving and an appreciation of differing viewpoints.

I'm not denying that there are some of its staff that are quite left wing, or incidently, quite right wing. This results some occasionally strnage managerial decisions. But to describe it as you have just done makes you sound most foolish and ignorant.

Neil,
The BBC may be a "public service broadcaster with a remit to be evenhanded and biased", but the fact that such is its mission by no means means that it actually is so.

Michael has provided clear evidence (from the Beeb's own mouth) that they are so far skewed as to be laughable. Now, if you don't consider this decision to accept the 100% election of Saddam fatally flawed, then you obviously don't need to accept Michael's conclusions. If you do agree that accepting the 100% election of Saddam is a joke, however, then logically you must at least partially agree with Michael.

Neil defends the Beeb by claiming that it is merely exercising "an appreciation of differing viewpoints." Yeah, exactly. It's exhibiting an appreciation for fascist viewpoints. The Beeb has gained a well-deserved reputation for being very open-minded about fascism. It's important to them that they not appear to be biased against oppressive authoritarian states, and it shows.

Actually, I'm curious to see if this story will be born out by new sources, because it sounds almost parodic -- a classic example of political correctness gone haywire. It's laughably Orwellian. (Insert obligatory reference to Orwell's inspiration for Room 101.)

It's like taking care to describe racist hate groups as "pro-Caucasian activists," and justifying this "unbiased" language by refering to the Ku Klux Klan's own rhetoric that they are merely asserting their own racial identity.

I caught the BBC out recently, when they published a call for the hanging of George Bush, or his burial alive, then denied it. They eventually apologised.

The issue that Michael is raising is restricted to BBC on-line (and I assume other international BBC broadcasting); the ban on calling Saddam a deposed dictator does not apply to domestic services. So UK citizens (the only people who can influence the BBC) may be unaware of the BBC behaviour on this issue.

Two years ago I used to defend the BBC against accusations of bias, but something has gone dreadfully wrong since September the 11th, or the 2000 Presidential election. (which I suspect is the real problem.)

I consider myself left of centre; I was not pleased when Bush won the 2000 election, but the BBC on ocassions looks like it is conducting a campaign against him. This morning Gore Vidal was on BBC Radio Four telling us about the despotic USA. I have no problem with that in itself, but the interviewer was unable to summon up any decent challenge to Vidal's assertations and neither did they put up another contributor able to give a differing opinion.

RealPlayer File of Gore Vidal suggesting America has spiralled into a despotic nation.

Neil, if you need any more evidence of the Beeb's bias, this story on Qaddafi's capitulation should suffice.

"Although President George W Bush has sought to portray Libya's willingness to admit inspectors to examine its programmes of weapons of mass destruction as a success for American policy, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi may well feel that the success is really his. "

Yep, that's right. The Lybian WMD agreement is a victory for Qaddafi, not Bush.

Geez. Even the New York Times admits this is a victory for the Bush doctrine.

Neil's comment supports a point I wanted to make.

From their perspective ("they" being the BBC, Neil, and Lefties in general), they are NOT biased. They are right. In their eyes, the BEEB occupies a broad middle of correct/accurate/neutral as possible views. Then Indymedia et al occupy a Left fringe, while 'Faux News' and Instapundit occupy a Right fringe.

So, they can't possibly admit of a bias. It would blow their whole world view, i.e. "All REASONABLE people agree that George Bush is a Nazi."

President Bush is sending Christmas cards as every President since Lincoln has done. Today's BBC has this response:

"You could be forgiven for suggesting that in an election year, the exercise has less to do with festive spirit than it is a party-political postal blitz."

Neutral? Smarmy is more like it.

BBC is smarmy. They have done, and often still do, a fantastic job. "Walking with Dinosaurs", "Walking with Beasts" (mammals) were great. Good tech, etc.

But when it comes to American coverage, they are campaigning against Bush. About 90%; they occassionally have a pro-Bush guy on. But it's painful to watch, and listen to. Where are their stories on Basra, for instance? Oh, that Iraqi place where things are going well...

Michael: I don't see your point. If "everyone knows" Fox News is conservative, "despite [their] denial," then why should it not be true that "everyone knows" the BBC is leftist, despite their denial? Forgive my bluntness, but I wonder whether you are trying to gain psychological comfort by forcing the BBC to capitulate to your personal opinion.

Forcing editors and journalists to reveal their psychological biases is most probably unproductive in the long term, not least because it's not clear where one would start or end, or how exactly a journalist or editor would comply with such a directive, but much worse, the entire exercise seems uncomfortably close to censorship in my mind.

It's striking to me how some people seem to believe the way to break control is to establish yet more control. If I'm not mistaken, the expression says the solution for too much free speech is even more free speech.

The BBC is facing the same scrutiny every other government or psuedo-government institution faces as society becomes increasingly less centralized (or in America's case: becomes again). I encourage Britain to repeal their mandatory TV tax, and I encourage the BBC's competitors to challenge the BBC on every possible occasion, but encouraging editors and journalists to reveal their biases seems like only something a repressive government or high religious official would suggest.

Hovig,

I don't think anyone should be forced to admit their biases. It's something people ought to do, but I didn't say there needs to be a law.

Michael,

I agree on revealing bias in the media 100%. Thought I don't get my news from Fox, I defend them tooth and nail because their biases are easy to spot and they don't bury their news in mealy-mouthed moral ambivalence.

Hovig,

Fox is conservative, and I don't think anybody would deny that. But it's also supported by advertising dollars, unlike the BBC which is funded by taxes collected from every single Briton (185 pounds/year to be exact). Government taxes, as you know, are not voluntary. If the BBC is going to extort it's funding in that way, it should at the very least attempt to be evenhanded and representative of all British subjects. Fox does not have that responsibility.

Bush recently made a speech that claimed America had been supporting dictators, and that such a policy was a mistake; implicitly calling for regime change of such countries. The BBC, in redefining Saddam as a non-dictator, is implicitly against the regime change -- but it's extremely unlikely to change their coverage of prior US support for Saddam as anything but damning.

That's bizarre. "Dictator" is easily the best word to describe Hussein.

The BBC is only marginally a news organization. They are a propaganda organization. When you disregard the obvious truth because it doesn't confirm your worldview you aren't reporting but propagandizing.

The proof was the BBC's reporting of the Iraq war. Their reporting was so wrong that the British armed services changed to the Fox channel to get the news. They switched because they knew what was happening on the ground and repeatly told the BBC they were completely wrong in their reporting. The BBC disregarded the facts on the ground because it refuted their quagmire reporting.

All reporters flavor the news according to their worldview. That is different from creating false news which the BBC did during the war.

Is Saddam isn't a dictator, then a dictator never walked the face of the earth.

BBC's unwillingness to call a spade a spade is yet another example of Leftist moral relativism and political correctness gone mad.

Here, in their effort to be "fair" they are unfair. In their effort to tell the truth, they tell a lie.

If this isn't Orwellian then I don't know what is.

"IF Saddam isn't a dictator" I mean.

In any contradiction between the BBC and reality, the BBC is to be preferred. Reality is frequently incorrect.

The BBC has been in the spotlight for some time now. There's a website devoted to giving them the "Yes, but...." treatment:

BBCWatch

It's a long and detailed report, with three sections: The War on Iraq, and two on the BBC and the Middle East.

Some exerpts:

"Coalition troops are described in warm and glowing terms, with sympathy being evoked both for them as individuals and also for their military predicament. By contrast Israeli troops are painted as faceless ruthless and brutal killers with no or little understanding shown for their actions."

Much of the BBC's bias is anti-Israel.

"In fact the BBC has a practice of describing suicide attacks as terrorism in almost every situation in the world except where the victim is an Israeli. "

There are other watchers:

CAMERA
(Committee for Accuracy in Meddle East Reporting in America)

Biased BBC

In other BBC/Saddam news, from the blog above:

"BARMY BBC bosses have banned reporters from calling tyrant Saddam Hussein a former dictator.

Instead, staff must refer to the barbaric mass murderer as “the deposed former President”.

The astonishing edict was seized on by MPs last night as more proof of a Left-wing bias inside the BBC against the Iraqi war."

That alone should be sufficient evidence to convict.

I find it odd that a "so-called" liberal attacks the BBC for not calling Saddam a dictator. Clearly this is a lapse in judgement on the part of the BBC. Clearly the BBC got this one wrong.

However, I find it odd that there is no equal denunciation of the Fox "News" corporation for far, far more biased reporting before, during and after the war. This so-called liberal spends most of his valuable blogging time attacking the left and liberal points of view... Reminds me of another turncoat... Dennis Miller.

To attack the BBC and call it "staunchly anti-British, staunchly anti-American, moderately pro-terrorist" is just idiocy. It is by far the most balanced media organization in "mainstream" media and has not been tainted by corporate interest such as Fox, NBC (GE) and ABC. They don't have corporate advertisers to keep happy so they can say what they damn well please. Their censorship is pretty much limited to what the "watershed" laws in Britain allow which is quite free and open. Who would you rather get your news from Fox or the BBC? I rest my case. Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

You rest your case, Graham? OK. Case dismissed. Next.

Yes, Graham, I am a turncoat because of people like yourself. You think it's okay to say Saddam was democratically elected, that this is somehow a "liberal" and balanced position. Horseshit. It is a total disgrace and I'll have nothing to do with the likes of it.

I'd rather watch Fox than the BBC, but I'd rather read The New Republic (they are real liberals with integrity) than pay attention to either.

And clearly you didn't read my post... "Clearly this is a lapse in judgement on the part of the BBC. Clearly the BBC got this one wrong." As I wrote originally.

You put words into my mouth that I never uttered nor wrote when you say "You think it's okay to say Saddam was democratically elected". Please show me where I said that.

I said that the BBC got this one wrong but on the whole, at the end of the day, their reporting goes far beyond the sound bite reporting that passes for American journalism these days. Journalism which must be edited and packaged to please their corporate sponsors. I would much rather have a free press that is not publicly funded and not beholden to the whims of advertisers, than have 50 channels of drivel that can be found in the likes of MSNBC, Fox, NBC, and on and on. Do you remember the scripted press conference with Bush on the eve of the attack of Iraq? I do. It was a complete disgrace and farce of journalism that characterizes journalism in this country. I am trying to put your statements into a context of a journalistic morass called "mainstream media". Which is where 80% of Americans still get their news.

So, is the statement; "Yes, Graham, I am a turncoat because of people like yourself" a committment to stop calling yourself "liberal". Please do, because labelling yourself as such is an insult to real liberals. Remember, the liberal movement is not defined by a single topic (namely Iraq policy vis-a-vis the United States). However, your blog has proven you to be a one trick pony since that seems to be the only topic of discussion around here of late.

Sorry meant to say "I would much rather have a free press that IS publicly funded ..."

OK, this is turning into a war of words which isn't where I wished things to go. However, I must say that I think the entire premise of this article is bollocks. Why? Do the following google search: (dictator "Saddam Hussein" site:news.bbc.co.uk) As you can see, there are probably HUNDREDS of cases where the BBC website refers to Saddam as a dictator, contradicting this alleged memo.

I think this "news" is manufactured drivel by a conservative London paper, namely The London Daily Telegraph. They have had it in for the BBC for a long time. The link that was posted originally doesn't refer to the quote that was included any longer and I can't find a google reference to it anywhere other than a few blogs. Is it just a figment of their imagination?

See link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?menuId=1589&menuItemId=-1&view=DISPLAYCONTENT&grid=P8&targetRule=#7

Graham, the memo is new and applies to new stories.

I thought the BBC bias against the war was very well known. Thanks to Mike with his links but I had already heard this topic covered in extenso by Andrew Sullivan a while back.

Some people, however, love those accents. I don't.

As far as bias goes, I have a friend who works at one of the three big networks and during the 2000 election he let me see some internal memos circulating that were, uh, shall we say, rather violently anti-Bush. I was too so I felt very in the know and amused (or indignant, as we got into Florida).

So I see Fox as somewhat of a corrective, even if Brit Hume's about the only personality whose "style" I can stand.

Graham,

I see on rereading your first post than you did indeed say the BBC goofed this one. Sorry for not catching it the first time.

I don't care for advertisement-driven media either, but a lack of ads doesn't automatically bestow integrity by any means.

And you're right that the Telegraph link no longer goes to the story. I don't think it's because they pulled it. The content for the "London Spy" feature appears to change each day.

Graham,

The link moved and I fixed it in the text. You can read the story now by clicking it, or click here.

Here's some far out theorizing for y'all. Saddam is not to be called a dictator outside the Isles, and this is seen as viewpoint sensitivity. I say, enough of viewpoint sensitivity, especially in the Arab world. Either the BBC has a bad case of the Eason Jordans, or it's suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Latest example is the reporting of the "jostling" of the Egyptian Minister at al-Aksa. The reporter played this incident as an embarassment for Israel, and filed a story at some length as to why that (incredible) take should be obvious to any unbiased observer.
I await the attack on my attack.

"I was gobsmacked to hear, in a set of headlines today, that the coalition was suffering 'significant casualties'. This is simply not true. Who dreamed up the line that the coalition are achieving 'small victories at a very high price?' The truth is exactly the opposite." -- Qatar-based BBC defence correspondent Paul Adams, in an memo to his London editors

The above took place during the war. Graham talks about bias at Fox but offers no example of bias. It is a far more accurate news source than the BBC.

The BBC, normally a superb news source, has completely lost its shit when it comes to Iraq. That's my conclusion.

Kimmitt,

If you are a superb news organization you don't completely lose your "shit" over the most important news story of the year. Unless of course if molding opinion is more important than reporting the news. I believe that is the definition of propaganda.

But I give you credit for acknowleding that the BBC has "completely lost its shit".

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