December 15, 2003

Oddly Enough


Palsetinian terrorists in Gaza support Saddam Hussein.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at December 15, 2003 11:16 PM

I must say there is a part of me that fantasizes about a surgical, anti-terrorist strike to kill these would-be terrorists. By Israel, naturally, who would be condemned, etc.

Still, their goal is to offer support for terrorists, and to dominate the Palis who might be glad Saddam is gone, and THEY are the enemy. Of Israel, of democracy, of free speech.

Posted by: Tom Grey at December 15, 2003 11:59 PM

They always did. Hi was their sugar daddy. Saddam's idee fix was that he was destined to wipe out Israel from the map. Between Saddam and Arafat there are two Saladins too many.

Posted by: marek at December 16, 2003 12:10 AM

Just sad. Even passionate hawks like myself are not without sympathy for the Palestinians. Who doesn't want to see them get a better deal after all this time?

But I cannot ignore this depravity. What are the excuses for this attitude (rhetorical question, I already know the litany)? Will the Palestinians ever get a clue? Will they ever not miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity? Has someone explained to them that their cheering on 9/11 set their cause back a decade (at least in the US) - this just tacks on a few extra years.

Can they not see how they were being used by Saddam? Are they (the majority it seems) so blind that they will turn a blind eye towards any monstrosity so long as the monster makes the right noises, lobs a few missiles at Tel Aviv and sends them millions for terror operations? Apparently yes. "Go ahead Saddam, gas and torture your own people, invade your Muslim neighbors, just keep those checks coming, baby."

They obviously learned nothing from Gulf War I. Do they remember how tens of thousands (or more, I can't remember the figure) of Palestinians were expelled from Kuwait by the returning Kuwaitis after their support for Saddam's invasion? I've read reports that there is a fair amount of antipathy towards them in Iraq because of the way Saddam lavished money on them while neglecting and savaging his own citizens. What about the Iranians who were also the victims of Saddam, way more than the Israelis. The Iranians have already filed suit against Saddam? What can they think while watching this? Lucky for them fear and hatred of Jews is so strong everywhere otherwise they'd have already forfeited more of their sympathy reserves, their protected and sacred status as the top-ranked victim group in the world.

Personally, I think it would do them good to lose their spot to a group more deserving like Tibetans or Kurds. It might encourage them to get serious and actually take advantages of the opportunities, next time one presents itself.

Posted by: John, Tokyo at December 16, 2003 12:14 AM

Sorry for the typos above. Ooops.

Posted by: John, Tokyo at December 16, 2003 12:20 AM

I must say there is a part of me that fantasizes about a surgical, anti-terrorist strike to kill these would-be terrorists.

The war between Israel and the Palestinians won't be over until either all the Israelis are dead, or the Palestinian extremists are dead. I am in favor of a two-state solution because it would clear the decks for the full-on hot war it will take to kill the extremists. Every other solution (short of driving the Jews into the sea) has been tried and failed.

In short, my prescription for peace in the Mideast is to give the Arafatistas what they want (a state of their own), then give them what they deserve.

Posted by: R C Dean at December 16, 2003 04:11 AM

Of course the Palestinian terrorists support Saddam Hussein. They value justice in the same sense that such moral beacons as Dennis Kucinich, Noam Chomsky, Harold Pinter and dare I say, Howard Dean, value justice.

These Palestinian terrorists are truly oppressed, and therefore can be forgiven for supporting Saddam. As opposed the the Iraqi people, who evidently were not truly oppressed and should therefore have been content with being fed into shredders. I personally don't quite understand the distinction, but I'm not the brightest or most nuanced guy around town. I'm sure Dr. Dean will explain it all to me in his next big foreign policy speech.

The Palestinians terrorists are concerned, as so many of our Leftist cousins are, that Saddam was illegally removed from his legitimate office by prosecution of an unjust and unwarranted war on the part of the United States and the Coalition of the Willing. That Saddam's capture has upset these terrorists will no doubt reinforce the Left's sense of injustice and outrage.

And its' good to see Kofi Annan jump into the fray in order to ensure that Saddam Hussein's human rights are protected. I know I was worried about that.

Posted by: DennisThePeasant at December 16, 2003 06:19 AM

Hitchens on Palestine/Israel:

Posted by: markus rose at December 16, 2003 07:07 AM

It seems the Freedom Loving Palestinians still haven't learned the Bin Laden lesson: bet on the strong horse.

Posted by: JJ Walker at December 16, 2003 08:05 AM

As has been said many times before the Paleostinians "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."

Posted by: billhedrick at December 16, 2003 08:31 AM

But we must have a balanced approach to the Israel/Palestine conflict! And the Occupation must end immediately for there to be any peace!

Posted by: Glenn at December 16, 2003 08:35 AM


I agree with you - Arabs should leave the West Bank immediately and Gaza Strip soon afterwards.

Posted by: marek at December 16, 2003 08:45 AM

They value justice in the same sense that such moral beacons as Dennis Kucinich, Noam Chomsky, Harold Pinter and dare I say, Howard Dean, value justice.

Howard Dean is a supporter of Israel. He is not at all in the same category as the others.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at December 16, 2003 09:00 AM

This is a perfect illustration of Arab pride, or should I say ego. They are driven by it. It is irrational, and worse, self-destructive. And mind you, this is only one example of it. It is this Arab pride/ego which compels them to "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." That is why they are so obsessed with "humiliation". I mean, have you heard anybody use that word as often as the arab does? And it's this humiliation-pain-avoidance that consumes them. It has nothing to do with being rational, seeking solutions, and the hard work of peace, and it creates this viscious circle in which they are stuck, from humiliation to humiliation.

Posted by: David at December 16, 2003 09:05 AM


I understand your point about Dean but would note that some of us have a problem reconciling Dean's support for Israel with Dean's opposition to the removal of a dictator who has funded Palestinian terror organizations, rewarded those who have committed terrorist acts against Israeli civilians and launched missiles against Israeli cities. Call me unsophisticated, but there seems to be a disconnect between what Dean says and what Dean actually means.

Posted by: DennisThePeasant at December 16, 2003 09:11 AM

Et tu, Totten? Is there no appeasement left in you, sir?

Posted by: Allah at December 16, 2003 09:44 AM

Seeing that picture reminds of a few other great snapshots:

"Human Rights Abuses? Hah! No! I wanted to ask about an oil pipeline, amigo!"

"Listen authoritarian Uzbek president Karimov, we'd be happy to ignore the fact that you imprison and torture your political opponents and surpress freedom of the press. How about another giant loan so you can by some more guns?"

"Good to see you, freedom oppressing leader of Nigeria! Hey, do you mind if Liberian dictator Charles Taylor hangs out with you for a while? We're not going to go after that indicted war criminal!!"

You gotta admire that kind of moral clarity!

Posted by: harry at December 16, 2003 09:46 AM

The Palestinian Arabs have indeed often been terrible enemies of their own cause. Even worse enemies have been the other Arab nations. And, paradoxically, the main beneficiary of Arab rejectionism of Zionism has been Israel itself. If 1947 partition plan had been accepted by Arabs, and the 1948 War of Independence had not taken place, then the resulting ethnic cleansing of Arabs and Jews -- in Israel and the Arab nations -- that the war made possible might not have occured, and the state of Israel would have already been demographically overwhelmed by the Arab inhabitants of Palestine, and transformed into a binational or Arab-majority state.

This is the dirty little secret that belies the "land without a people for a people without a land" myth that some (not all) zionists put forward in the face of historical facts. I'm glad that Hitchens points this out in the link I provided above, and I'm glad that readers of have the chance to hear about it, probably for the first time.

And who knows, maybe if the Palestinian state is small enough and corrupt enough, and its people remain stupid enough, war will break out again, and Israel can finish the job of turning Jordan into Palestine that it started in 1948!

Posted by: markus rose at December 16, 2003 10:36 AM


And if the Palestinian state is big enough and not corrupt enough - then what?

BTW - how big is big enough - from the river to the sea?

Posted by: marek at December 16, 2003 12:38 PM

Marek -- If the Palestinian state is big enough, democratic, and not corrupt, and if israel and the other arab countries agree to make peace, bury hatchets and help with refugee resettlement and compensation (the crux of the conflict) -- then maybe there is a chance for peace and growing prosperity for all.

Posted by: markus rose at December 16, 2003 12:51 PM

Will you also compensate the Jews driven from Arab lands at the same time?630,000 Palestinian, and 820,000 Jewish, refugees were produced by the 1948 war, which was launched by Palestinians, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon against Israel. I don't want to see terrorism get rewarded. And I sure a hell don't want Israel to become another arab cesspool. Sort of like asking a province of Canada to become a sharia state if the muslims keep coming here like they are. We would not allow it here and we should not wish that on Jews. Israel is and will always be--a Jewish state. It is NOT a non-sectarian, democratic country like the United States.  As such, it is absurd for anyone other than Jews to be citizens in the first place!  That is why Israel MUST revamp its Constitution making Israel unequivocally a JEWISH State… with NO possibility that any other group will ever become the majority.  It is insane to have enemies of the Jewish people living anywhere within its boundaries.

Posted by: Kat at December 16, 2003 02:22 PM

An eye for an eye makes everyone blind. The purpose of reparations for the Palestinians is to give them a stake in peace, not to adhere to some notion of "fairness." End the conflict first; worry about who gets the bigger piece of cake later, when we all have a stake in baking it in the first place.

Posted by: Kimmitt at December 16, 2003 02:24 PM

Kat -- As I clearly indictated in my earlier post, the claims of Jews expelled from Arabs states AFTER the establishment of Israel and the expulsion of its Arab citizens ought to be acknowledged and accounted for in any solution of the refugee question. But later Jewish expulsions do not make earlier Arab ones acceptable. I think that's taught in logic 101.

Your comments advocating that Israel stop being a democratic state are vile and backward. Seriously, what makes your views any different or less reprehensible than those of La Pen in France? Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and move to live in a settlement in Gaza if you hate the Arabs so much? Let your kids ride to school in an armored tank for the glory of god. It is a credit to the people of Israel that the vast majority of them strongly disagree with your Kahane-like views, even after years of Arab hostility.

Posted by: markus rose at December 16, 2003 02:49 PM

Sure, go ahead and pick these guys off. We need some victories in the War on Straw!

(Meanwhile back in the states, the Republicans are creating WMD in their basements, at least if you believe Dave Neiwert.)

Posted by: anon at December 16, 2003 05:46 PM

The photograph reminds me of Charlie's Angels.

Posted by: Oberon at December 16, 2003 06:20 PM

The photograph reminds me of Charlie's Angels.

That's it!! That's it!! Thank you Oberon. I knew it reminded me of something.

Posted by: Jim at December 16, 2003 07:19 PM

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