December 15, 2003

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Via Jeremy Brown at Who Knew comes this little tidbit.

A French lawyer [Jacques Verges] known for his notorious clients said on Monday he would be ready to defend Saddam Hussein and that the former Iraqi leader must be presumed innocent at any trial.
I understand were supposed to presume innocence at trials. But some things are better left unsaid. Id wonder if Mr. Verges feels embarrassed to say it, but he did defend Nazi war criminal Klaus Barbie, the Butcher of Lyon.

He added:

If [Saddam] is judged and treated like a pariah, clearly his defence counsel would have to say 'but this pariah was the friend of all the Western heads of state. He was not only their friend but their ally.
This is true, and its an excellent reason to let Iraqis try him themselves. Long ago Saddam Hussein was an ally of the United States, as well as an ally of the rest of the Western countries. The French government stuck by his side even after the Gulf War, and even after September 11. Make your case, Mr. Verges. Baghdad needs to know what Paris has been up to.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at December 15, 2003 11:02 PM
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I think that the US should take the heat once and for all. Then we should spit in the eye of anyone who dares to comment on it. Repudiate the actions of those who came before and put the ghosts to rest.

If the United States can't build a policy based on a belief in the future instead of the baggage of the past, nobody can. Instead of dooming the world to an endless, mindless dance of recrimination we should lead. It is one thing to acknowledge the past, but that should not condemn us to live in it forever.

Posted by: Patrick Lasswell at December 16, 2003 12:25 AM

(sarcasm light on) Yeah, like all those AK-47s RPG's and T-62's the US sold him. (sarcasm light off)

US cupability for the Shah of Iran, maybe. For Hussein? No way.

Posted by: eric at December 16, 2003 05:26 AM

I hear Ramsey Clark is also pining for the role.

Posted by: Glenn at December 16, 2003 05:44 AM

Glenn, I've no way to know whether you're joking or not. It's reasonable to expect that at some point Ramsey Clark will offer his legal services to Saddam.

Posted by: Peter G at December 16, 2003 06:18 AM

"It's reasonable to expect that at some point Ramsey Clark will offer his legal services to Saddam."

Because, you know, there's a evil little voices in every man's head that in times of great adversity makes him morbidly think "Well, so far it's gotten really bad for my side... so why not ride this sucker all the way down, huh? Let's see if we can get DC in play for the Republicans next election..."

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PS: Oh, relax: I'm not being entirely serious.

Posted by: Moe Lane at December 16, 2003 07:12 AM

The French government stuck by his side even after the Gulf War, and even after September 11.

How dare they not punish him for something he didn't do! The outrage!

Posted by: Smokey at December 16, 2003 08:33 AM

Smokey,

Anyone who is bothered (rightly) that Saddam was once our pal should be doubly bothered that he was France's pal until the bitter end.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at December 16, 2003 09:02 AM

Smokey,

Also, Saddam did "do" the Gulf War and we all know he was a terrorist supporter and a genocidal tyrant. So yes, how dare France defend him and not punish him.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at December 16, 2003 09:04 AM

A French lawyer. Go figure.

Evidently the meme of the moment for the Coalition of the Pissy is: "How dare we judge him! We once supported him!"

Do any of these morons read history by people other than Howard Zinn?

Posted by: DennisThePeasant at December 16, 2003 09:22 AM

Patrick is dead on.

Yes, we supported him, as you said, so did "everyone else." The difference, as Bush indicated in his speech in the UK, is that the time for coddling tyrants for short-term expediency has led the US to Sep 11 and the rest of the world should take note. Accordingly and hopefully, the US is starting to change (though it still overtly coddles the Saudis and the Chinese - grrr, but only the deaf could ignore the hissing toward Beijing and Riyadh from our side of the Atlantic). Meanwhile the "Axis of the Pissy" continues to behave with its normal two-facedness, with nary a mark raised against it from the people who "care" about justice.

It's amazing how the "Left" stereotypically almost uniformly insists that criminals are forever redeemable, and that victims holding grudges are the real block on true justice. However, when it comes to the US & Blairite Britain on their past misjudgments, they are not only forbidden to judge others but must always be permanently judged and condemned forever as the arch uber-criminals of the world-stage. Meanwhile France remains the great conciliator.

So let's here the defense. US and the UK were backstabbing Judases to the poor victim Saddam. While France was true blue to the end as Saddam's last victims were fed feet first into the shredder. Cursed be the USA, and long live French integrity.

Posted by: Bill at December 16, 2003 10:25 AM

by the way, Mike...

now would be a good time to repost that one link showing the graphic of sales and support to Iraq by country... you know that shows the US being its usual nasty selfish stingy self compared to the warm generosity of other nations...

Just a thought.

Posted by: Bill at December 16, 2003 10:40 AM

That Ramsey Clark thing Glenn mentioned is true.

Posted by: Hei Lun Chan at December 16, 2003 01:26 PM

MT,

Also, Saddam did "do" the Gulf War and we all know he was a terrorist supporter and a genocidal tyrant. So yes, how dare France defend him and not punish him.

I did not dispute that Saddam invaded Kuwait or was a brutal tyrant, but your castigation of the French for being his "pal" (what, were they hanging out playing Xbox together?) even after 9/11 is simply uncalled for. Unless you have some evidence that he was involved in 9/11, (and no, that laughable Standard article doesn't count) you should probably quit trying to imply that he was. Saddam's real crimes are numerous enough that we don't need to add made-up ones to the list. These continued attempts to portray Iraq as part of the War on Terror are beginning to really annoy me. Make a case for the invasion on moral grounds if you wish, but Saddam's ties to terror are among the weakest in the middle east.

Posted by: Smokey at December 16, 2003 02:19 PM

Smokey,

I didn't say or imply that Saddam was behind 9/11.

There are those who think 9/11 changed and means nothing, that it was an isolated event, and the French are clearly among them. That was my point, and that is all.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at December 16, 2003 02:40 PM

"Saddam's ties to terror are among the weakest in the middle east."

Ummmm, you mean like paying $25K to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers that blow up busses full of Israeli schoolchildren?

Oh wait, that was terrorism against Jews. My bad.

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Posted by: Glenn at December 16, 2003 07:05 PM

Michael,

This is a pet peeve that drives me crazy. Hussein was never an "ally" At a time when it appeared that Khomenei's Iran was poised to take Bagdhad, the Reagan administration made a strategic decision that American interests were best served by preventing Islamic Shiite Radicals from conquering Iraq and its Oil fields. So we aided Hussein in order to restore the balance. This actually had the effect of ending the war as both sides finally realized neither could win. You may, of course, disagree with the wisdom or even the morality of this policy. But it does not mean he was our "ally". An ally is a country with whom we have a strategic defense relationship. Obviously the countries of Nato are our allies. Stalin's Soviet Union was our ally in WWII. Israel is our ally. Iraq was never our ally.

Posted by: Doug at December 16, 2003 08:25 PM

Mike -

Great to see you are back and swinging.

Regarding "presumption of innocence" - a startling irony. Presumption of innocence is an Anglo idea - the French system is Napoleonic - the accused are presumed guilty and have to present evidence of their innocence. Such is the law in Louisianna - "Presumed Innocent" is a something one shoud not assume.

That the French lawyer insists we presume Saddam innocent is quite funny as it implicates French standards as inferior to ours.

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Essays

Terror and Liberalism
Paul Berman, The American Prospect

The Men Who Would Be Orwell
Ron Rosenbaum, The New York Observer

Looking the World in the Eye
Robert D. Kaplan, The Atlantic Monthly

In the Eigth Circle of Thieves
E.L. Doctorow, The Nation

Against Rationalization
Christopher Hitchens, The Nation

The Wall
Yossi Klein Halevi, The New Republic

Jihad Versus McWorld
Benjamin Barber, The Atlantic Monthly

The Sunshine Warrior
Bill Keller, The New York Times Magazine

Power and Weakness
Robert Kagan, Policy Review

The Coming Anarchy
Robert D. Kaplan, The Atlantic Monthly

England Your England
George Orwell, The Lion and the Unicorn