December 13, 2003
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Some of my conservative readers emailed me in exasperation that I linked approvingly to the blog by Professor Norman Geras, who is a Marxist.
I can understand (a little) if someone is surprised. But I think anyone who has read my stuff with any regularity ought to know by now that I do not provide links to totalitarian communists unless I am going to open up both barrels on 'em.
I am not a Marxist, but Norman Geras shares my value system and we have many opinions in common. He and I arrived at the same place by different roads. We both hail from different left-wing traditions, but we’re both old lefties all the same.
I also provide approving links to conservatives, as does the good professor. One of the many things he and I have in common is that we know very well that we can learn from smart and decent people with different backgrounds and ideas than ourselves. A lot of people who read my site, including the conservatives who expressed dismay at my linkage, must surely agree with this too. Otherwise they wouldn’t care what a guy who voted twice for Ralph Nader has to say about anything in the first place.
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I'm not a Marxist, but a militant liberal. I believe that capitalism may be cyclically unstable, but capitalism with the operation of automatic stabilisers (fiscal and monetary policy) and a welfare state (at least of the type that provides benefits in cash rather than in kind, that discourages dependency and that promotes autonomy) is a powerful vehicle of social advance and an essential part of a free society. But there is no more important political question than the defence of the values of an open society against those in every age - secular totalitarians, theocratic terrorists, Baathist tyrants - who subvert and threaten them. An ethically grounded Marxism ought to be a natural part of the coalition that mounts that campaign, and that's why I'm less surprised than others that Norman Geras stands where he does.We all need diversity of opinion. I link to Normblog for a reason. Give him a chance and, even if you’re a conservative, you might be pleasantly surprised. Posted by Michael J. Totten at December 13, 2003 06:54 PM
Gosh, how odd it is that people actually need to stick up for such a fine individual. Norman Geras' own words are probably the best defense of his humanity and common sense.
If only so many Marxists hadn't given Marxism a bad name.
Posted by: Gabriel Gonzalez at December 14, 2003 04:08 AMCouldn't say it better, Michael and Gabriel, even if I was proficient in English-
People surprised, or critical, of linking to Norman Geras should only read what he has to say... and realize what a profound intellectually honest, non sectarian person he is.
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There are honorable exceptions. Norman Geras is one of them. He speaks with clarity and thoughtfulness, and seems to be ruthlessly honest with himself and his fellow Leftists. I can admire those virtues in anyone, even if they are a Marxist. The attacks on him by my fellow conservatives are misguided...they are focusing on the ideology of the man and overlooking the integrity.
This is the type of people you want migrating to 'Radical Centerism' (Geras ain't there yet, by my lights), the left-leaning people who are honest and forthright and willing to clearly stake a moral position.
Posted by: DennisThePeasant at December 14, 2003 07:24 AMAnd don't run around signing everything "Fraternally Yours".
Posted by: DennisThePeasant at December 14, 2003 07:30 AMIs this guy as honest and as intellectually honest as Nader.
Since when has Nader become a Marxist?
Remember, Michael, you are judged by the friends you keep--or should I say enemies?
Are we polarized or what? With this kind of thinking, everyone and his grandmother very quickly is reduced to a fellow-travelling "objectively pro-[LAZY EPITHET]" sympathizer of the Devil.
Michael is in fine company.
Many of these so-called Marxists are nothing more than anti-Western, anti-democratic, anti-U.S. windbags.
True, but then I'm more Marxist than a lot of these self-described Marxists. And I'm not even a Marxist! (other than perhaps in the "Keysian" sense that we are all Marxists now).
Posted by: Gabriel Gonzalez at December 14, 2003 08:40 AMActually, at my blog I personally link to both Norm Geras and Socialism in an Age of Waiting, and I'm a conservative. 'Course, I'm also weird. :)
Still, no fuss from me over linking to a Marxist.
Posted by: Moe Lane at December 14, 2003 08:59 AMI don't agree with Totten on a lot of things, including things like Nader and Hitchens, but you simply cannot infer anything about his position regarding Israel and the Palenstinians from the fact that he voted Nader (misguided though it may have been).
Kat, if you really think he supports anti-semitism or anti-semites in any way shape or form, you simply have not been paying attention to this blog (something I do, by the way). Totten has be outspoken in his support of Israel's right to exist and his criticism of anti-semitism in all its' forms.
Your inference is as untrue as it is unsophisticated. Voting for someone is not an expression of mindless solidarity with each and every position of that candidate. Unless you're a Deanie or something.
Posted by: DennisThePeasant at December 14, 2003 09:03 AM
Norman Geras is an intelligent, clear-headed, and very fair-minded person. Would there were more like him in the blogosphere on the left and the right.
Also, he has great taste in music: anyone who so clearly loves Coltrane and Emmylou Harris must have his heart in the right place.
Mean-minded ideologues are a dime a dozen on the web and hardly worth worrying about. I bet Norman is happy to hear the news about Saddam as well.
Posted by: Daniel Calto at December 14, 2003 01:34 PMI've never been part of the Left, and I link to Norman Geras. Well thought out viewpoints, well expressed, are welcome from any point of view. If Norman Geras were dishonest (cough Noam Chomsky cough), supported dictators and tyrants (cough too many names to mention cough) or simply launched ill-considered tirades (cough Kos cough), he wouldn't be worth reading. As it is, he is.
Posted by: Jeff Medcalf at December 14, 2003 03:08 PMI'm a long-time Republican and neo-conservative. Michael got me started on reading Norm's blog and I've had a number of email exhanges with Norm. I've found, as I did with Michael, that we have far more in common than that in which we differ, and even much of that is only a matter of degree.
Posted by: Al Superczynski at December 14, 2003 09:58 PMAs a right-wing conservative capitalist oppressor who was the subject of a throaty harrumph from Norman Geras when I defended Gregg Easterbrook, to which I responded by calling him a pinko hippie, I have to admit that Mr. Geras is one of the good guys.
There's Marxists, and then there's Marxists, I figured out recently. One variety is political, the other is academic (of course the break isn't straight and clean). On the academic side are a few decent human beings.
Hey Michael, welcome back.
Posted by: dipnut at December 15, 2003 10:42 AMI link to normblog, but don't go there so much -- too much football. His writing is fine, but little special that has hit MY buttons -- plus no comments. (Am I missing something?)
It wasn't clear to me that he was a Marxist (prolly didn't read enough); but, if so, I immediately suspect his intellectual integrity. Comparing the last 200 years of Christianity with the history of Marxism, for instance, shows lots more positives of Christianity and Christian action, than Marxists and Marxist actions.
A simple, intellectually dishonest endeavor is to compare a real system, with good & bad, vs some idealized non-real system, and conclude the idealized ideal is better. Most anti-Americans seem to do this; most Marxists HAVE to do this...the reality is never "real Marxism".
Bah. Envy enbittered intellectual masturbaters complaining that their dumber classmates make more money in the real, peaceful business world. Using big words. (Not that I've read Norm as such.)
The reality of Christianity isn't "real Christianity", either -- because humans are sinners, but at least the Christians admit that this is the real sitution.
(On the other hand, maybe I'm just jealous?)
Posted by: Tom Grey at December 16, 2003 12:38 AMComparing the last 200 years of Christianity with the history of Marxism, for instance, shows lots more positives of Christianity and Christian action, than Marxists and Marxist actions.
Let's keep in mind that Marxism gave us the eight hour workday and basic worker safety standards and that Christianity was used as a justification for racial slavery. Both ideologies have both given and taken away, and both are best used by picking the good parts and discarding the bad.
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