November 19, 2003

Not for Sale

Nick Confessore in the Washington Monthly is making a fuss out of the fact that Tech Central Station gets money from corporate sponsors, and that TCS sometimes publishes pieces that favor the positions of those sponsors.

Since I sometimes write for Tech Central Station, let me just say a couple of things.

First of all, no one on this Earth tells me what to think or what to write. That includes Nick Shulz, the editor of Tech Central Station. It also includes Halliburton. None of Dick Cheneys old pals call me up at home and tell me what to say about Iraq or anything else.

I write for TCS freelance. That means I pitch my own ideas to the magazine.

My pieces get edited and Nick asks me to approve the changes. I dont always like the changes he makes, so then we discuss it. Sometimes he convinces me that its better this way or that, and other times I convince him that his edits werent for the best. Its a give and take, a healthy editing process, and nothing with my name on it gets published without my consent.

Any suggestion, implicit or otherwise, that TCS articles are vetted by its corporate sponsors is silly. None of my articles have had anything to do with any TCS sponsors in the first place, but thats not true of every piece published there. Daniel Drezner says one of his articles directly contradicts the agenda of a TCS sponsor.

This, I think, is Confessores point in a nutshell:

[I]t's only human nature to put more trust in the arguments of seemingly independent observers than those of paid agents of an interested party. And that's why a journalist willing to launder the arguments of corporations and trade groups would be so valuable. A given argument, coming from such a journalist, would have more impact than precisely the same case articulated by a corporate lobbyist.

I agree. However, TCS is pretty up front about its biases; its writers are social/economic libertarians and foreign policy hawks. Glenn Reynolds, who also writes for them, agrees (in Daniel Drezner's comments):

It's a libertarian policy webzine, so it (mostly) publishes libertarian policy stuff, with occasional pieces by conservatives and liberals.
Tech Central Station does not claim to be fair and balanced. They dont promise all the news thats fit to print.

Nor do I.

I think you should take TCSs biases, sponsors, and agenda into account, and you ought do the same when listening NPR and Rush Limbaugh. But it isnt worth making a big deal out of it unless TCS, like Fox News, decides to pretend its impartial.


UPDATE: Pejman has a roundup of responses from other Tech Central Station writers. None of us are particularly impressed with Mr. Confessore's piece, and everyone's experience seems to be rather like mine.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at November 19, 2003 07:03 PM
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Ahh, just like a Liberal to bring up Fox News when media bias is mentioned...

Just kidding! Honestly, impartiality is not something that any media is ever going to achieve. Balanced, that is a different story. I don't watch much in the way of TV news, but Fox at least has views from all across the spectrum.

Posted by: FH at November 19, 2003 07:19 PM

Ach! "Impartial". Careful! It's a mistake to confuse having a position on a policy issue with bias or partiality. I hope you think the stances you take in your articles are impartial, rather than twisted by bias. I think they are. Nor is TCS partial or biased just because it tends to represent non-leftist views. It may simply believe that these views are best born out by impartial look at the evidence. You don't claim to be fair and balanced? Come on. You should.

This may sound like splitting epistemological hairs but it's important. By taking an overly modest epistemological stance, you suggest to potential readers that they won't be likely to discover the actual truths by reading you, but only just another bias. If by "not fair and balanced" and "not impartial" you mean that you actually argue for moral judgments, unlike a newspaper reporter is supposed to do, then state as much. Don't slip into the "everyone's view is just a bias" meme.

Posted by: Jim at November 19, 2003 07:24 PM

Every newspaper, magazine and television station is owned by someone or some entity. Unbiased reporting does not exist. Unbiased people do not exist. Someone owns the Washington Monthly. They're biased. Ditto TCS. Ditto you. Ditto me.

That's the way of the world. Examine the bias and move on.

Posted by: Roger L. Simon at November 19, 2003 08:37 PM

Unbiased reporting does not exist.

If that were true in any substantial sense, then we'd have no idea what was going on in Iraq. Or anywhere outside our homes, for that matter.

Examine the bias and move on.

Many people do this very well; Michael is an example. They overcome their biases and reach truth and fact. That they do this is shown by the fact that the human race is in possession of an enormous body of knowledge. This shows that:

Unbiased people do not exist

is true only in the most trivial sense. For there are many people who are frequently unbiased, in the most important sense; Michael is an example.

The debate in the political forum is pointless if it doesn't assume a real possibility of establishing what in fact we ought to do. If it is only an echo chamber of biases, it's in vain. This matters because 100 million lost their lives in the 20th C. as a result of a dogma the fundamental premise of which was that any policy issuing from any political forum was in principle merely the bias of economic forces.

Posted by: Jim at November 19, 2003 09:11 PM

Surely sponsoring money follows a congenial editorial line just as much as the reverse, yes? (The same is true of subscriptions as well.) I really fail to see how TCS is different from any journal of opinion.

Posted by: John Thacker at November 19, 2003 10:28 PM

Jim,

I think you view bias as a greater negative than I do.

When I say I am biased, I mean that I am predisposed to view things one way and not another way. I am not locked into anything against all evidence; I have changed my mind on many questions in my life and I'm sure I will do so again. But I am not a blank slate. And neither is anyone else.

I admit by biases in public; I am socially liberal, economically center-left/libertarian, and militarily hawkish. Which all adds up to bascially centrist/moderate. So there you have it. My bias on my sleeve.

I am not going to suddenly have a radical-left or religious-right view on tomorrow's news, as I might if I had no built-in worldview as a starting point.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 19, 2003 11:25 PM

Actually, I tell Michael what to think all the time...and he tells me to get stuffed all the time. Claiming that Michael Totten is a corporate shill, tool, or a front is a damn lie.

Posted by: Patrick Lasswell at November 19, 2003 11:54 PM

(Chuckles for Patrick -- thought for a second you were Roger, though he had already commented.)

Bias, and who pays, can be extremely important, but are much less so when there are alternatives. Exactly why a free press is important, and blogging helps, like Riverbend of Baghdad's Burning.

The biggest world view bias in the West today is in gov't paid for schools, with virtually all teachers and professors implicitly aware of the gov't / socialistic / non-market oriented processes of the education industry; and most explicity supporting anti-market thinking.

The likely alternative, eg with vouchers, allows alternate ideologies more equal time. Still, professional unbiased truth seekers will likely be underbid by "true believers" of one sort or another, willing to accept less money in order to teach their biased version of the truth.

"what, in fact, we ought to do" depends on what, in fact, will happen in comparing the factual future outcomes of alternative decisions. Invade Iraq, factual consequences 2003, 2004, 2005 ...
Not invade, factual consequences 2003, 2004, 2005 ... Clearly impossible to compare, in fact. You make a decision and only one path gets tested.

One seldom hears of the Iraq = Vietnam argument including Cambodia's genocide after the US pulls out. Should the US have pulled out? Had we stayed another 10 years, and lost another 50 000 US soldiers, but stopped Pol Pot and saved 2 500 000 Cambodians, would that have been a better decision? I think so, but that's a value issue. But how, in fact, could I convince an anti-war protester of this?

Posted by: Tom Grey at November 20, 2003 12:21 AM

Ahh, but the appearance of impropriety is enough! You must be on the take.

This is what makes me scream when I hear about campaign finance reform. I actually don't see cash influence much of anything. Oh, sure, people ran around alot, going to events, scrambling for dollars, making phone calls. If the environment is my top priority, or my tenth priority, $5000 from the Sierra Club or Waste Management won't change that.

All someone has to do is point out that Mr. McPhee gave you $2000 in the last election cycle, and suddenly pundits imply that the $50,000 disaster relief loan he got (after the hurricane destroyed his hardware store) is some kind of kickback.

OK, so with all that said: Michael, I don't doubt for a minute that your articles are completely sincere. I also think that you wouldn't meekly endure editorial interference. If I were you, I'd get used to accusations like these, since they are easier to make and far more damning than those that hit the substance of your articles. But I'd ignore them.

(Think of this when you hear a similar accusation about some Senator or Congressman. Barkeep, grains of salt for the house!)

Posted by: Rob at November 20, 2003 05:16 AM

Tom -

Who was it that eventually stopped Pol Pot again? I forgot. I imagine if we had drained Vietnam of it's human capital for another ten years, whoever it was that evenually stepped in and stopped Pol Pot would probably have been better able and equipped to do so.

Certainly, if we had kept Vietnam down, Pol Pot would have had his UN seat transfered to someone else.

Posted by: Hipocrite at November 20, 2003 05:27 AM

You forgot? It's the Liberal bias of the press!

Hipo, the reason the US was in Vietnam was to stop commies, and especially the domino spread -- us staying means no chance of Pol Pot taking over; though perhaps Cambodia expansion of the war might mean a faster casualty rate.

I guess you think sacrificing millions is OK to save tens of thousands is good. I'm not sure.

Posted by: Tom Grey at November 20, 2003 06:42 AM

Hipocrite,

Your irony for the day: George McGovern, of all people, wanted to go back into Cambodia and take out Pol Pot.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 20, 2003 06:46 AM

The surest sign that someone can not argue with the points is that they will attack the source. Or the messenger.

Posted by: Roark at November 20, 2003 06:52 AM

Tom, who was it that took out Pol Pot again? I asked, but you didn't answer.

MT - Would that I were of an age that I would matter, I would have supported going into Cambodia as well. Luckily, Vietnam was able to stop that humanitarian crisis better than the US. Oops, I gave away the answer.

Posted by: Hipocrite at November 20, 2003 07:03 AM

Honestly, I don't understand this brouhaha. It is no surprise that any publication solicits and publishes editorials that match said publication's editorial slant. We're not talking about straight reportage here, after all. We're talking about opinions. And so far as the TCS/DCI connection is concerned, those who can't ascertain TCS's slant by simply scanning the stories they choose to run aren't idiotarians -- they're simply idiots.

Posted by: Phil Smith at November 20, 2003 08:56 AM

Ah, the chaotic flow of a thread conversation....

I think you should take TCS’s biases, sponsors, and agenda into account, and you ought do the same when listening NPR and Rush Limbaugh. But it isn’t worth making a big deal out of it unless TCS, like Fox News, decides to pretend it’s impartial.

Excellent point that often gets overlooked. One of my unhappiest memories from college was arguing with a journalism professor about whether a reporter could ever be absolutely objective. He said they could, I said they couldn't, and I became an engineer.

Yo, Hipocrit. Bias, remember? Tom's point, I believe, was that dogmatic media coverage enshrines groupthink bias as fact. The response "but it is fact" sidesteps the point, and does nothing to but emphasise that media culture does little to encourage critical thinking.

And speaking of bias, does no one else find Riverbend to be a bit too eloquent?

Posted by: mark at November 20, 2003 09:14 AM

Oops.

The response "but it is fact" sidesteps the point, and does nothing to but emphasise that media culture does little to encourage critical thinking.

That should have been "nothing but emphasize that media culture does little to encourage critical thinking."

Preview (and spellcheck -- there's money to be made from a blog publishing system that spellchecks) are your friends.

Posted by: mark at November 20, 2003 09:21 AM

And double-oops.

Critical reading should also include, you know, really reading the material.

Re-read Tom's original post. Folk's, it's about educational bias, not directly about media bias. (But you know that, because you really read it instead of skimming the thread in your hurry to post your own bon mots.)

Educational bias and media bias may go hand-in-hand, but I'm done trying to be clever today. Sorry for the clutter.

Posted by: mark at November 20, 2003 09:44 AM

Look, mark, you should know that the US supported Cambodia by doing nothing there, because it was an anti-Russian totalitarian brutal regime. There's a possiblity we were actually funding them at various times.

Vietnam, that pro-Russian communist regime was the hero in that case, and we were the weasel.

If the press wasn't so notoriously right-biased, you wouldn't even have tried to pretend that if we had stayed in Vietnam we would have stopped Pol Pot, well, at least untill the end of realpolitik.

Posted by: Hipocrite at November 20, 2003 03:06 PM

That's right! The press is notoriously right-biased. Uh-huh. And grits ain't groceries, honeysuckle don't smell sweet, Jack Daniels don't get you shitfaced and Michael Jackson just luuuuuves children in an innocent way.

Posted by: Rockabilly at November 20, 2003 04:16 PM

Umm..can anyone name a completely objective news source? I can't. Most people are aware of the opinions that motivate the writer, they decide if they agree with them and they move on.

Posted by: mary at November 20, 2003 06:44 PM

Come on Michael, admit it - you're on the Mossad's payroll.

And therefore TCS must be a zionist neo-con agency !

Posted by: Jono at November 20, 2003 08:46 PM

I have to say the weather service provides a pretty good effort at providing impartial news. I've been watching the weather channell closely for a while now, and I still can't tell if they are for or against low-pressure systems.

Posted by: Scott Wickstein at November 21, 2003 06:45 AM

Hippocrit, thank you for being such an illustrative case.

Khmer Rouge soldiers, aided by North Vietnamese and Viet Cong troops, began a large-scale insurgency against government forces in 1970, quickly gaining control over more than two thirds of the country. The strength of the Khmer Rouge rose dramatically from around 3,000 in 1970 to more than 30,000 in 1973, enabling most of the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong troops to withdraw. In 1975 the movement, led by Pol Pot , overthrew the Cambodian government, establishing "Democratic Kampuchea." The new government carried out a radical program of evacuating cities, closing schools and factories, and herding the population into collective farms. Intellectuals and skilled workers were assassinated, and a total of perhaps as many as 1.5 million died, inclusive of starvation and forced marches.

(Link to source).

Remember that thing about the decline of critical thinking? You call America a weasel, and the Vietnam a hero, based on the following logic:

Look, mark, you should know that the US supported Cambodia by doing nothing there

Umm, you would have had us invade? (I'm unclear on when you think we should have stopped "doing nothing" but I assume you mean after the Khmer became the poster boys for mass murder.) Or should we have used "economic sanctions" against a regime dedicated to an isoltionist anti-technology program?

Hipocrite: "If the press wasn't so notoriously right-biased, you wouldn't even have tried to pretend that if we had stayed in Vietnam we would have stopped Pol Pot, well, at least untill the end of realpolitik."

Did you happen to notice the year Pol Pot took power? You know, 1975? What else happend in 1975, class? Might the victory of the North Vietnamese have had something to do with the victory of the Khmer?

Don't let these questions get in the way of your world-view, though. I'm sure everyone you know agrees with you 100%.

Posted by: mark at November 21, 2003 07:46 AM

"Bias" is a red herring. Confessore's didn't write on TCS's ideological or cultural slant, or Glassman's proclivities: that would be old hat, especially for Wash. Monthly readership.

The interesting point was the claim that TCS is in fact part of a lobbying concern. Lobbyists are essentially in the business of advocacy and advertising. There is a key difference between publishing an opinion advocating X and publishing a piece of paid copy in favor of X as though it were someone's reasoned (or whatever) opinion.

Posted by: pierluigi at November 21, 2003 08:16 AM

Scott – you say “I've been watching the weather channel closely for a while now, and I still can't tell if they are for or against low-pressure systems.”

No low pressure bias? Have you compared their coverage of the ultimate low pressure invasion, hurricanes, with their coverage of a nice sunny day? They never create dramatic graphics and send embedded reporters to create special reports on a peaceful, mostly clear day with winds from the from the North Northwest at 7 mph. The bias is unmistakable.

Why don’t they ever use the word ‘invasion’ to describe these arrogant hurricane actions – or focus on the exit strategies? Every hurricane has the potential to become ‘another Andrew’ and the American public needs to know this.

Bias isn’t the point. The Weather Channel is obviously a lobbying concern, using advocacy and advertising to promote their pro-low pressure agenda. I’ll bet a significant part of their profits are generated by those ‘extreme weather/storm watch’ videos they keep pushing. Are we supposed to believe that they’re not being paid to promote further hurricane action? Look at the results. Haven’t you noticed that the weather has been more ‘extreme’ lately?

You may say that the Weather Channel only reports on the weather – it doesn’t create it. But the facts tell a different story.

Posted by: mary at November 21, 2003 09:31 AM

Yes, I would have had us invade Cambodia but never touch Vietnam. However, if we had done that, Pol Pot never would have had the backing to take control, so we wouldn't have had to invade anyone, and the greatest minds of a generation would not have been lost to a worthless foreign war.

You, of couse, ignore the fact that we were funding and supporting the KR during the age of realpolitik. They were anti-soviet, remember? I notice that you consistantly and willfully ignore the fact that we supported the KR for years and years.

Finally, did you know that Saddam Hussein took power in 1979, THE EXACT SAME YEAR OF THE IRAN HOSTAGE CRISIS? Oh my god, Cause And Effect!

Whatever.

Posted by: Hipocrite at November 21, 2003 09:42 AM

Hipocrite, I worry for you.

In 1975 he [Pol Pot] led the Khmer Rouge in its overthrow of the government of Norodom Sihanouk and the military government of Lon Nol. Between 1975 and 1979 Pol Pot was prime minister of the infamous "killing fields" Communist government.
(Link.)

Please note that Pol Pot lead the KR while it was a client of North Vietnam, and held power until he pissed his patrons off. (See my previous post for the reference.) If we'd invaded Cambodia during the Killing Fields period, we would have effectively been going back to war with Vietnam.

I did ignore your statement that the US supported the KR, because you didn't source it, and from your post it seemed you thought we supported the Khmer before they took over Cambodia, which I had never heard. I just spent 15 seconds on Google and found this story:

http://www.iht.com/IHT/MR/00/mr092900.html

The beauty of the web is you can do shit like that, instead of just making bald assertions. You can site refeferences and let people come to their own conclusions. Of course, then you run the risk of them coming to the wrong conclusions, or finding out you're talking out of your ass.

From the International Herald Tribune story, it looks like we gave money to anti-Vietnamese groups (including the Khmer, which I will grant you is foul) in the 80s in order to drive the Vietnamese out and establish democratic elections.

The administration of President Ronald Reagan was persuaded to support the ultimately successful effort to get Vietnam to withdraw from Cambodia in September 1989 so that elections under United Nations supervision could be held for a new government. The elections were held in 1993 but were boycotted by the Khmer Rouge.

A little different spin than what you were saying, no? But I'm sure that's a result of the IHT's right wing bias. (When we do what Vietnam did in Cambodia we're called imperialists, by the way.)

So until you can point me to a source that indicates we supported the KR prior to 1979, I am going to maintain that your bias has caused you to muddle up the timeline of events to support the simplistic "US=Bad" formulation.

My real fear is that I'm correct, and that your friends would back you 100% on this.

Posted by: mark at November 21, 2003 10:50 AM

I never stated that we supported the KR before they took over. In fact, I challenge you to logically draw that inferance from anything I have ever written. Do it without assuming I'm ignorant or stupid. Can't? Then you must have assumed I was ignorant or stupid. Could you provide evidence for such? I'd like you to focus on the following sarcastic statement: "Certainly, if we had kept Vietnam down, Pol Pot would have had his UN seat transfered to someone else."

Actually, I'll just eagerly await your apology. I think it's pretty clear who here is not only more fluent with the facts, but also who is able to do critical thinking. Hint - it's not someone who assumes that his alternative is ignorant or stupid.

What we have here, it seems, is that one of us, (hint - not you) has a nuanced understanding of the US/Russia conflict of the 70's and 80's, and the other of us (hint - you), believes that his 8th grade history textbook tells the whole story, and goes about ridiculing the other one, and calling him a left wing looney because he dared say the US supported the very evil KR over a less evil Vietnamese puppet government.

It is rather ironic that the one with the 8th grade understanding of Indochinese politics in the late 70's and 80's is the one saying that the one with the nuanced understanding is just pandering to his base, when, in fact, it's the exact, 180 degree opposite of such. The example of Cambodia, in fact, is the best counter-example to the Iraq-Vietnam - when America fails to act, bad things happen.

If we had stepped in in Cambodia, we would have been stopping a brutal regime. When we stepped in in Vietnam, we propped up a brutal regime (and then another one, and another one after that). When we stepped in in Iraq, we stopped a brutal regime.

See the differences/similarities?

Now, if Iraq were like Vietnam, we'd be supporting a new "government" run by rich ex-pats with no real connection to the people of Iraq, but then squander suport of the former populace by acting like dicks, and have to swap puppet governments to try to regain support. Eventually, due to continued popular upheaval, the continued toll would force us to announce that we had a plan for Iraquization, and try to exit the scene.

It would be like, say, if we installed a guy like Ahmed Chabli in Iraq, but then realized he was a fuckhead and replaced him with a handpicked council, and tried to form a new Iraqi army to take over for us as we tried to get out in time for an elect... Hmm....

Posted by: Hipocrite at November 21, 2003 12:39 PM

Dude, instead of calling me names, show me some corroboration on your points. That is overall a more nuanced approach to debate.

US involvement with Khmer in 80s: Bad. Point conceded.

Hipocrit: I never stated that we supported the KR before they took over. In fact, I challenge you to logically draw that inferance from anything I have ever written.

Read what I wrote. Specifically, I was pissed off by your inference that we supported "the regime" in Cambodia before 1979. The Khmere took over in 1975, and were ousted in 1979 by Vietnam. At that time the stopped being "the regime" and became "the opposition".

Hipocrit (earlier in thread): Look, mark, you should know that the US supported Cambodia by doing nothing there, because it was an anti-Russian totalitarian brutal regime. There's a possiblity we were actually funding them at various times.

That last quote seems a bit fuzzy to me on exactly when you think we started supporting the Khmer. But maybe my 8th grade education is letting me down.

I will admit, I'm not an expert on Southeast Asian history. That's why I look stuff up. And post references supporting my points. I appologized earlier in the thread for not reading it closely enough. But so far, you've earned nothing but what you've got.

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