November 17, 2003

The Problem of Uzbekistan

Since 9/11, the US has been changing its attitude about third-world dictators. The “our bastards” realpolitik is slowly phasing out.

But what about Uzbekistan? The Bush Administration is rather, um, cozy with Islam Karimov’s repulsive regime.

It’s a tough question, a hard question. And Nathan Hamm, who lived and worked in Uzbekistan as a Peace Corps volunteer, has a pretty thoughtful answer.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at November 17, 2003 12:04 AM
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What was this, Talk About Uzbekistan Weekend or something? The topic was my first substantive post for my new blog*. I'll need to do an update... :)

Moe

*Thanks for the blogroll link, btw.

Posted by: Moe Lane at November 17, 2003 03:36 AM

I don't know about "cosy". I doubt Bush is as cosy with Uzbekistan as he is with the UK or Australia, let alone Spain, Italy, Poland or Romania. And its not as disturbing as the relationship with the Saudis, even as dwindling as it is.

I'd have to agree with Nathan Hamm. The US is wise to settle for slow and gradual development, rather than intervention, revolution or regime change.

Posted by: Jono at November 17, 2003 03:56 AM

Since 9/11, the US has been changing its attitude about third-world dictators.

US support for third-world dictators waned under Bush I at the end of the Cold War and became explicitly zero under Clinton.

Now, if what you're really saying is, "Since 9/11, the US has been changing its attitude about third-world dictators from declining to support them and occasionally opposing them to playing them off one another, like we did back in the Cold War," then I'm going to agree with you.

Posted by: Kimmitt at November 17, 2003 09:20 AM

Kimmitt,

We aren't playing them off one another. We are taking them down. But we can't take them all down at once. That's impossible, and I doubt you would support that if it were possible. But we weren't going to let Karimov get in our way. We had two choices; bribe him or shoot him. That's just the way the world is. We didn't install him as a dictator, as we might have during the Cold War. He isn't a new Pinochet. He was sitting there already, so don't blame us for his existence.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 17, 2003 09:28 AM

We are taking them down.

You may think that it is appropriate that we do so, but I submit that President Bush does not share your approach.

Posted by: Kimmitt at November 17, 2003 11:00 AM

Only time will tell Kimmit...

Posted by: FH at November 17, 2003 11:25 AM

With all due respect, I hope not; nearly three years of this President has done enough damage to this country -- the harm which eight years would do is almost incalculable.

Of course, we'll really find out in twenty-five years (or however long) when a lot of the meeting minutes and suchlike are released to historians.

Posted by: Kimmitt at November 17, 2003 12:44 PM

Moe, it's always post about Uzbekistan weekend over at The Argus!

Anyway, a point I've been forgetting to make about some of that aid is important to bring up (and I'll probably make it over at my place as well in a jif). I hear a lot of crap leveled at aid to police and security forces, but the Brits made a good point (I linked to it). A serious problem in Uzbekistan's police departments is that they inherited the Soviet legacy of extremely weak investigative skills, so they rely on signed confessions at trial, however they can get them. So, a lot of aid is targeted to boosting this ability to reduce the attractiveness of torture.

Not a bad idea in my opinion.

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