November 13, 2003
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Tom Tomorrow is a talented cartoonist. Even when I think his work is hopelessly wrongheaded, as this cartoon making fun of warbloggers is, he can still make me laugh.
In this cartoon he goes on about “chickenhawks,” those who support the war but who aren’t in the military. In a sense he is telling people like me to shut up, which is annoying, but you can’t smash dissent (or in this case, assent) with a cartoon. He’s just making fun of us. Fine, Tom. Carry on.
He’s asking for it, even so, and this right-back-atcha cartoon by Mary at Exit Zero is priceless. (By the way, the person in the last panel is (ahem) Ted Rall.)
Posted by Michael J. Totten at November 13, 2003 12:21 AMhttp://www.daybydaycartoon.com/cartoons/11-13-2003.gif
Chris Muir took notice too.
Posted by: KMK at November 13, 2003 04:50 AMThat's pretty funny !!! Of course, to be fair, Tom Tommorow should now do a cartoon on street puppets. That would be a riot.
Posted by: David at November 13, 2003 06:02 AMTom T does have a point, and some of the dedication of warbloggers really IS an effort to "do something" to support their cause. Just like all the WWF/ Sierra Club/ ACLU contributors, etc., have wanted to support their causes; only with emotional time & energy, rather than just cash for some cause.
I don't quite think it's asking you to shut up, just making fun of you (and me and all us readers who write bloggers). And Mary makes fun of him.
Posted by: Tom Grey at November 13, 2003 06:14 AMI'm a big fan of Tom Tomorrow, but this one kind of fell flat for me. Just wasn't that funny.
The parody is pretty good though.
Posted by: Lee J. Cockrell at November 13, 2003 07:18 AMTom, that is a brilliant point. If you critcize "chickenhawks" for not enlisting, you should criticize every bumper sticker activist.
Posted by: bilhedrick at November 13, 2003 09:54 AMActually, a "chickenhawk" isn't a non-military supporter of war, it's someone who wants others to fight and die in a war for which they refuse to enlist, or make any other type of sacrifice. You can't get a Purple Heart for Carpel-Tunnel Syndrome.
Posted by: Steve Smith at November 13, 2003 10:24 AMThe all-volunteer army has been proven to be a more effective force than a drafted one, but something does need to be done about the lack of upperclass kids of all political persuasions serving their country. Perhaps we should go to 50/50 draft-volunteer armed force.
Posted by: Markus Rose at November 13, 2003 10:44 AMSteve - how do you define sacrifice? Paying taxes? Giving up your job to do aid work in Iraq? Keeping the American economy afloat so that we can continue to pay for this war?
Politicians who ‘made war happen’, but who had never experience military action used to be called chickenhawks. Now, anyone who doesn’t agree with an anti-war activist seems to be a chickenhawk. This movement can’t come up with alternatives, they can’t even come up with new insults, they just re-use old ones. No imagination.
Posted by: mary at November 13, 2003 11:01 AMSteve,
So you're, what, a chickendove? You aren't in the military so it must be because you're a coward. There is no other possible explanation according to your logic.
Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 13, 2003 11:04 AMThere are plenty of people who do more good out of the service than in it. Simple fact of life. Not everyone is made out to be a soldier. The Chickenhawk argument is especially void coming from those on the left who would never sign up for the military in the first place.
Posted by: FH at November 13, 2003 11:08 AMMr. Totten:
A "chickendove" would be someone who opposes a war, but is unwilling to demonstrate against it, for fear of being publicly disclosed as a "dove". In both cases, it's a matter of fear: chickenhawks are afraid of having to put their asses on the line and do anything more than make finely crafted arguments on their blog in favor of war, while chickendoves fear taking a position that is unpopular. If an issue is important, like the Civil Rights Movement, you should do something more than just be a cheerleader.
Posted by: Steve Smith at November 13, 2003 11:59 AMSteve,
I'm a writer. That's what I do. I've been a writer ever since I've been old enough to hold a pencil. If you are offended by that then that's too goddamned bad.
Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 13, 2003 12:15 PMHey, Steve! (Visions of "Sweet Cuppin' Cakes")
This "chickenhawk" argument is so freakin' specious.
Do you have any opinions on the American public school system? Do you, for example, think a zero tolerance policy for drug use is advisable? Oh, but wait -- first I need to know: Do you teach in the public schools? If not, then shut the hell up.
Or perhaps you have an opinion on health care. Do you think hospital emergency rooms should be required to to treat HIV positive patients regardless of their insurance? Are you a doctor? Then kindly shut the hell up.
Do you think cops should be required to arrest Klansman after they burn down a church? Are you a cop? Well, when you become a cop then you can have an opinion about law enforcement policy. Until then, please shut the hell up.
You see now how that works?
Posted by: Browning at November 13, 2003 01:43 PMSteven,
You evidently seem to be in favor of not overthrowing the murderous Hussein regime. Where do you get the moral authority to continue to oppose the liberation of the Iraqi people and wish to continue to subject them to the murderous Ba'athist goverment, when you, yourself, are not willing to pay the price for that position? Are you (or have you ever) been willing to live in Hussein's Iraq?
Opposition to the war is inextricably linked to keeping Hussein in power. Since you demand that those who support war have moral authority in doing so, then I would like to suggest that you too, put your money where mouth is, or desist. Hussein has killed more Mulisms than any other man in the history of mankind. Maybe in your world of ducky moral equivalency, you can just give that a dismissive waive of the wrist and a mutter of 'Chickenhawk', but don't cop that morally superior attitude and bitch about hypocracy while refusing to countenance turning that harsh light on yourself.
Posted by: Anticipatory Retaliation at November 13, 2003 01:46 PMMy question for Steve is this: Do you really, honestly, think there's such a clear distinction between "demonstrating" and writing something on a blog? I mean, other than the fact that a good blog presents idea and advances discussion, while a demonstration generally involves giant puppets and comparisons of Bush to Hitler. I mean, what exactly is demonstrating, if not cheerleading? You appear to be, as so many on the left are, under the mistaken impression that "demonstrating" is actually accomplishing something.
Posted by: Kurt at November 13, 2003 02:02 PMSteve,
Do you have any opinions on Israel? If you don't actually ride public buses there every day then you should shut the hell up.
Do you have an opinion on abortion? I don't think you're a woman or a fetus so you should shut the hell up.
Do you have any opinions whatsoever regarding the behavior of police officers? Well, if you've never actually been a cop risking his life on the beat you have no right to an opinion.
This is a dumb cartoon, as most political cartoons are but what's disturbing is tha among some desperate types it seems to have re-kindled this stupid "chickenhawk" slur, which was completely discredited months ago, before the war actually started.
If you really think only those with a military background have the moral authority to support a war then, what if we polled all such people and they thought that the war was a good idea? Would that make the war magically OK in your book? I would hope not because that would be a really weak justification for it. Dismissing (or accepting) an idea not because of its actual merits but because of who the person is who's advacing it is irrational and unfair.
I must say though that I"m surprised that the Left is so readily embracing the idea of military decisions only being made by the miltary. That's quite a turnaround from how you guys normally think about foreign policy.
Posted by: Eric Deamer at November 13, 2003 02:24 PMNoooo... a "Chickenhawk" is a sleazebag that cruises bus stations and airport terminals looking for teenagers to recruit into prostitution.
Trust a leftist to not even be clear on the definitions of their insults. snicker
Heh - it's even more insulting using the origional definition. I think we should beat 'em all up. And take their lunch money. ;]
Posted by: Ironbear at November 13, 2003 05:47 PMPoor Steve. I think he's wrong too, but the dumping here is so excessive ... it stinks.
I usually like Michael's blog because he's close enough to the (evil? friends of evil? enemies of anti-evil?) Left that there can, sometimes, be real conversation. I think it's the right answer, too; writers write, for good. Cops police, for good. Teachers teach, for good (in gov't schools, sometimes).
And Tom is fundamentally wrong, in a very anti-liberal way. Liberalism: humans doing what they do in accordance with voluntary contracts & with respect for property rights (and rules of law to enforce these) -- such diverse human action and interactions creates, spontaneously, the unplanned order that optimizes human life. Dedicating your life to a belief may well be good, but that level of dedication can only be made once. All other opinions, or all opinions, will have less dedication.
Posted by: Tom Grey at November 17, 2003 05:48 PMI'm a war hawk who tried to join the Navy but was turned down. (Bad feet.) What kind of hawk am I?
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