November 06, 2003

The Racist Right

Haley Barbour was elected governor of Mississippi last night.

And here he is with his pals on the front page of the breathtakingly racist Council of Conservative Citizens Web site. (Hat tip to Andrew Sullivan a few weeks back.)

This group is the one-stop shop for the White Sheet set. You can study up on columns called “In Defense of Racism.” Or you can order a book that exposes the “truth” about Martin Luther King, Jr. If Jew-hating is your bag you can read about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and about how the Jooooos supposedly control the world’s wealth and the multinational corporations, and how they worship Lucifer.

Anyway, Haley Barbour went to one of their barbecues to help raise money. He is now the Republican governor of Mississippi.

Any Democrat, or even the Green Party candidate if there was one, would have been preferable.

If any Democratic candidate shows up at an ANSWER fundraiser and I haven’t blogged it, do let me know.


UPDATE: The CCC took their photo of Haley Barbour off their front page. It was up last night when I posted the link. The photo was replaced with another of the Confederate flag.

Posted by Michael J. Totten at November 6, 2003 12:48 AM
Comments

Michael asks "If any Democratic candidate shows up at an ANSWER fundraiser and I haven’t blogged it, do let me know."

Every time there is a Democratic debate the equivalent or worse takes place. The Rev. Al Sharpton is a black bigot and Jew hater yet he is given a forum within the Democratic party. Not just any forum but the top forum in the party which is the Presidential candidate debates.

The Democrats accepting Sharpton as a Presidential candidate is a far, far worse slight to Jews then having a conservative candidate schmooze for votes at a CCC barbeque.

In case you have forgotten, Sharpton has led rallies in Harlem to get Jewish store owners to leave "their" neighborhood. Calling Jews blood suckers and oppressors of Black people. One of the rallies ended with one of Sharptons followers entering a Jewish owned store and killing 7 people before torching the store and burning it down.

I am Jewish and know many Jews who have left the Democratic party because of their failure to confront the anti-semites in the parties left wing. Most of those anti-semites are members of the Congressional Black Caucus. Fortunately, two of those anti-semites, McKinney and Hilliard, lost their re-election bids. And of course they blamed the Jews for their defeat.

Posted by: Reid at November 6, 2003 05:43 AM

Michael, I largely agree with you, but you are perhaps overlooking one thing:

What if the Democratic candidate ALSO frequented events hosted by the KKK CCC.

I bring this up because I remember reading somewhere that, in fact, it was so: the Democratic candidate for governor of Mississippi had also cozied up with the CCC.

I realize that a link would be appropriate right now, but I don't have one, so all I have is my possible faulty memory. Thus, it's just a "what if".

I recall someone in the blogosphere noted that "Things really are different in Mississippi" in the context of both the D. and the R. candidates attending CCC functions.

Posted by: Mike Smith at November 6, 2003 06:32 AM

Michael, we can only hope that the election of Barbour doesn't presage more of the same. Sadly, apropos of several recent posts and their threads, it seems to me that you've in part been warning of precisely this sort of outcome in response to the democrats' recent behavior. Of course, there's more to it than just backlash, but I'd be willing to bet that backlash had something to do with it.

I'm reminded of a theme in Bernard Lewis' What Went Wrong? Lewis argues that cultures which find themselves in retreat tend to externalize their problems -- they look for someone else to blame, rather than attempt to identify if some weakness of their own has contributed to their problems. A failure to "get out the message" isn't really the answer. It's becoming quite obvious that many voters get the message -- or at least part of it -- and they don't like it.

Posted by: Phil Smith at November 6, 2003 06:48 AM

For one link (among many) to the AP story noting the Musgrove comment on the flap see:

http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0310/17/m16.html

Michael, you may have to vote Green in Mississippi to avoid Black Hawk associations.

Posted by: Norman Pfyster at November 6, 2003 07:04 AM

When you find that Democrat at an ANSWER rally, be sure to figure out if he was campaigned for by the sitting president.

Wouldn't want to compare the fringe of the Democratic Party with the center of the Republican, right? I mean, it's not like Haley Barbour is the Al Sharpton of the right. Oh, wait, we already got mired in that Glenndemma.

Posted by: Hipocrite at November 6, 2003 07:20 AM

Phil:

I can't agree that this can be explained by backlash. The white racists of Mississippi existed long before ANSWER was ever dreamed up.

I taught school in Mississippi in the early 1980's, and can tell you that this kind of
thing is winked at by a substantial portion (though certainly not all) of the citizenry.

I think some Republicans have been distancing themselves from these nasty and reactionary types, but not enough. This is the kind of thing that makes me seriously hesitate to consider voting Republican because of national defense issues. As much as liberals' arguments make me bonkers, I hardly want to cast my lot with theocrats and bigots.

Posted by: Daniel Calto at November 6, 2003 07:25 AM

one thing to consider is that at Barbour's acceptance speech, about half of the people standing immediately behind him were black. this complicates the picture.

Posted by: jk at November 6, 2003 08:07 AM

A vote for the democrats is great, but a vote for the Greens would be like a vote for the CofCC.

Vegan Greens don’t go to inappropriate barbeques, but their platform has a lot in common with the CofCC. Greens support a gentler version of anti-immigrant isolationism (preferring to keep immigrants out of the US because they add to pollution and that’s bad for Gaia).

The Green Party is also worried about inordinate Jewish & pro-Israel influence on the Bush administration. The Republican/confederate connection down south is well-known, but the Green/anti-Semitism/anti-immigrant policy is a relatively new thing.

Posted by: mary at November 6, 2003 08:09 AM

"one thing to consider is that at Barbour's acceptance speech, about half of the people standing immediately behind him were black. this complicates the picture."

Not at all. They are Republican blacks - and therefore not black at all. Just ask Maureen Dowd.

As for your challenge Michael, where is your blog entry on Robert Byrd? While I can recognize that Ol' Haley pandering to a bunch of Mississippi racits is indeed something worth pounding, I have to ask the question. If a one time fund raising experience is enough to earn a man a "racist" label (which I agree he probably deserves) I have to ask what membership in the nation's foremost racist terrorist group earns someone?

Posted by: Roark at November 6, 2003 08:24 AM

Daniel:

I wasn't trying to pin all, or even a majority, of the MS election on backlash. I'm just saying that it's part of what's going on right now, and that Barbour is perhaps further evidence. Look at Hipocrite's response -- "oh yeah? well the reps are worse". No attempt to address the dems's problem, just try to redirect attention.

Lott got berated, Thurmond is gone, the republican party looks less extreme -- perhaps only on its face, but how much deeper can we expect voters to look? Unless I've misread him, this is the type of thing that MJT has been talking about. In 2002, several of my liberal friends went Chicken Little, and started talking about how the dems had to move left. I warned them at the time that I didn't think that was the answer. Outcomes like this one are what I was and am afraid of -- not a democratic party that is taking the country to the left, but a republican party that finds it easier as a result of the left's rhetoric to pander to the most repugnant aspects of the right.

Finally, I don't know much about current Mississippi culture, but as you taught there in the 80's, I went to school in small-town Texas in the early 80's. Some of that "winking" went on here, too. However, things do and have changed. Not as much as I'd like, but it is getting better.

Posted by: Phil Smith at November 6, 2003 08:27 AM

HERE IT IS MIKE -

1) Al Sharpton was at the last ANSWER "Peace" I mean Israel and US hating Palestinian, Iraqi resistance rally and he spoke as well as many Queers for Palestine. That's GayLesBiTrans for Palestine and finished up by asking for support for their cause, which of course there was no comment on by Al or Islamists who spoke.

2) The Indymediots and the wacko Greens are all joined up with these far right loons comparing notes on how the Bankers and Joooos are running the US, and how Israel is trying to take over the world, the Indymediots just don't like it when they talk about the blacks being inferior beings closer to apes...... so they just don't talk about that. Plus, the far right has read all the books by their nut job leader Pierce and others so they have lots of good information on the Jooooos "genetic traits" as well as how they were responsible for every war since the Civil War all for the edification and enjoyment of the lefty loons, who are of course against "racism" and "prejudice" most of the time? These real neo-nazis as opposed to the ones that the Indymediots label as such, used to dominate the WRH boards with them to the wack job conspiratorial left wing morons enjoyment...... they would comments on how "smart and intelligent" they were though they didn't "totally agree" with them.

3) I understand what you're doing Mike trying to appear that you're not just piling on the left, to the dissappointment of your usual fans. BUT YOU AIN'T VOTIN for Dean and you know it.

Posted by: Mike at November 6, 2003 08:38 AM

'Winking' goes on all over. I don't exactly know what to do about it, because, as the saying goes: "Gedanken sind frei".

It doesn't sound like any of you live in a large urban area with lots of blacks. Where 'winking' of a different color goes on. (Just look at the Philiadelphia mayoral election--and notice how quickly that disappeared as an election of 'national importance').

Nice crack about Byrd, tho'. What an argument for term limits he is.

Posted by: eric at November 6, 2003 08:40 AM

Have not speakers at ANSWER-organized rallies included, in addition to Al Sharpton, also Jesse Jackson, Barbara Lee, Cynthia McKinney, John Conyers, and Calif state senator John Burton?

Posted by: Zacek at November 6, 2003 09:02 AM

"Any Democrat, or even the Green Party candidate if there was one, would have been preferable."

Uh, Michael...didn't you agree to give up partisans tirades? Would it not have been somewhat better to say something like the following:

"Any non-racist candidate would have been preferable."

I know, it lacks the punch. Denounce the crime, not the party, especially when no party is innocent on racism.

Posted by: Patrick Lasswell at November 6, 2003 09:50 AM

eric:

I live in NYC, where multicultural winking is much in evidence. It's bothersome, and depressing, but in the majority of cases I don't think it rises to the level of what I witnessed in Mississippi.

That said, I agree with Phil's comments and think that Mississippi has changed for the better. Southern whites often get unfairly targeted is ignorant bigots, especially by Northeastern liberal elites, when in fact they aren't.

Posted by: Daniel Calto at November 6, 2003 09:54 AM

Patrick: Denounce the crime, not the party, especially when no party is innocent on racism.

I didn't denounce the party. I denounced Haley Barbour. But even if I had denounced the party...so what? It's okay to slam the Democrats but not the Republicans? Try again.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 6, 2003 10:41 AM

Yes, but the subject header says "The Racist Right". Your implication being that the Right is monolithically racist. If I was to start talking about the anti-American, anti-Semitic Left, I'd be wrong for classifying such an enormous and diverse people in that way.

Posted by: linden at November 6, 2003 10:47 AM

Here's a link to a weblog post that has a lot of information about the incident:

North Georgia Dogma

Bits and pieces:

(1) Dem incumbent Musgrove hadn't gone to the BBQ/Fundraiser that year because of scheduling conflicts, but had in previous years.

(2) The "Council of Conservative Citizens" was overstating their relationship with the fundraiser -- they were not associated with the fundraiser, but did throw a BBQ the same day.

(3) Barbour didn't address the CCC's BBQ -- he addressed the Carrollton Masonic Lodge as part of the fundraiser.

(4) The CCC admits that Barbour didn't know who he was getting photographed with (stupid), and they put the photo up for the publicity.

Posted by: Michael Parker at November 6, 2003 11:06 AM

Your implication being that the Right is monolithically racist.

The title doesn't imply that.

If I wrote "the moderate right" I would not be implying that the right is monolithicially moderate. If I wrote "the extreme right" I would not be implying that the right is monolithically extreme. If I wrote "the Christian right" I would not be implying that the right is monolithically Christian.

"Racist" is just an adjective, like the others, which denotes a subset of the right. And it is the most accurate description possible for the CCC.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 6, 2003 11:11 AM

Michael,

You openly advocated other parties not other views, and that is a mistake. Giving your loyalty and support to an organization instead of a desired result puts you in a series of untenable positions. We have to do that enough at work, there is no reason we should do that with politics.

"Any Democrat, or even the Green Party candidate if there was one, would have been preferable."

This statement does nothing to keep the politicians honest and accomplish your desired goal of ending racism in politics.

I suspect that Barbour was elected because he presented a more honest, or at least appealing, economic package than the Democratic candidate, not because he advocated a return to Jim Crow or anything like it. Within that context, what do you think the odds of a candidate supporting the green economic agenda (YIKES!), or anything like it, getting elected is?

Posted by: Patrick Lasswell at November 6, 2003 11:29 AM

Does anybody know when that picture was taken, and the context?

A halfhearted Google search doesn't turn up all that much about Barbour, except that he's been the RNC chairman, and that he's not fighting to get rid of the old flag - things that are seen as certain positives by some, and certain negatives by others.

He's promised to be the "governor for all Mississippians" (not exactly a brand-new political promise). Since I'm happily quite far from Ol' Miss, I'll watch and wait and see what happens during his term.

Posted by: Mike at November 6, 2003 11:34 AM

This statement does nothing to keep the politicians honest and accomplish your desired goal of ending racism in politics.

It was in the context of an election, Patrick. There were not two Republicans running for office at the same time. The other option was a Democrat or a third party. Of course a John McCain type person would also have been preferable, but that was not an option yesterday.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 6, 2003 11:43 AM

"It was in the context of an election, Patrick. "

Next week or next year when you are quoted out of context, it won't matter, Michael. I'm saying that you should avoid handing out blank checks. Depending on an exploitive and self-serving Left to not quote you out of context is astonishingly naive on the same week you get this:

"MICHAEL TOTTEN ENDORSES BERRY'S WORLD!"

"In a gracious move, blogger Michael J. Totten has strongly endorsed Berry's World as 'liberal and inspiring'. Needless to say, the traffic around here has picked up with Mike's heartfelt compliments."

"Thanks, Mike."
http://www.berrysworld.blogspot.com/2003_11_02_berrysworld_archive.html#106787333382409121

Posted by: Patrick Lasswell at November 6, 2003 11:55 AM

I saw that at "Berry's world." He's just mad. Whatever. At least he linked to my post so anyone who cares can see that he's deliberately misrepresenting me.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 6, 2003 12:13 PM

Oh, and I wouldn't assume that the right doesn't quote people out of context. It happens every day. It has nothing to do with partisanship and everything to do with honesty and sloppiness.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 6, 2003 12:14 PM

"It happens every day. It has nothing to do with partisanship and everything to do with honesty and sloppiness."

::Shrug:: I guess everyone is susceptible to that. It might explain why you are still claiming that Haley Barbour "went to one of their barbecues to help raise money" when someone has provided information that seems to counter that claim in this same thread.

Posted by: Roark at November 6, 2003 12:37 PM

A simple visit to the site will let you know that these are people whose ideas no one should with to be affiliated with.

Do Democrats associate with people who are similarly extreme? Sure they do. Does that mean it's ok for a Republican to do so. Absolutely not. I may disagree with Michael about the extent to which paying lip service to these elements of the right is necessary to getting elected. I think that often this is used as an excuse to explain away Republican's electoral success (surely, for example, there are better ways to show you "get" southern heritage). But nevertheless, it's insulting and disgraceful that major candidates are stupid enough to associate, however indirectly, with groups such as these.

Posted by: Hacksaw at November 6, 2003 12:48 PM

Roark: It might explain why you are still claiming that Haley Barbour "went to one of their barbecues to help raise money" when someone has provided information that seems to counter that claim in this same thread.

I relayed what the CCC said on their own page. If the CCC lied about it, fine. I, however, did not lie about it.

See here for more. (It's the link Roark mentioned.)

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 6, 2003 01:32 PM

Oh please, Michael. You jumped on Barbour with both feet without even the courtesy of a quick google search to find out if there might be more to the story.

Posted by: michael parker at November 6, 2003 01:41 PM

"I relayed what the CCC said on their own page. If the CCC lied about it, fine. I, however, did not lie about it."

Sure. I had no intention to suggest that you were lying about anything. My point, which fit very nicely into the discussion about quoting out of context, was that linking to a single picture - taken without someone's knowledge of the company he was in - and then using that picture, its location and the other content of the page to determine that the person in the picture is a racist was just as sloppy as the person you were condeming.

There is no additional evidence that Barbour supports the CCC. Barbour has not stated his support for the CCC. The only thing linking Barbour to the CCC was the fact that several right wing bigots managed to show up at an event where Barbour was and got a picture taken with him.

The counter to this, which I believe you did in all honesty, you offered to out any politician who could be found plugging for ANSWER. I think we would probably need to have a little bit more evidence that Barbour was actually doing anything for CCC before we declare him to be in league with them. Having a picture taken with several members of the CCC does not rise to that level in my opinion. If all it takes to link someone to a faction is a single picture, taken by a supporter during which a politican is seen standing with someone, I think I can pretty easily link all nine of the current Democratic Presidential candidates to ANSWER, most of the politicians in Washington to other extremist groups and just about anyone to anything I want.

A single picture of a politician standing next to a person of questionable ethics is not enough to condemn them as a racist, a communist, a bigot or anything else. You claim you shot a fish in a barrel with this - I think you let your standards slip a little.

Posted by: Roark at November 6, 2003 01:45 PM

I dunno, Roark. Barbour could have easily said "I'm Not With Stupid". I think he should have. From what I can gather, he made no real effort to distance himself. I'd have the same concerns if Kucinich (e.g.) found himself in a similar situation with ANSWER types and didn't issue a very public disavowal of their aims.

Posted by: Phil Smith at November 6, 2003 01:59 PM

You betcha. Barbour most certainly should have made a statement putting some distance between him and the Mississippi incarnation of the clan.

My point was that a single picture of a politician standing next to someone who is a racist does not make them a racist - no matter what they say after the fact.

Should Mr. Barbour have issued a statement distancing himself from these clowns? You bet.

Does his failure to do so make him a racist? Nope.

Weak, unsubstantiated linkage like this is the specialty of the intellectually dishonest - and that isn't something I expect from Mr. Totten.

Posted by: Roark at November 6, 2003 02:09 PM

Roark: My point was that a single picture of a politician standing next to someone who is a racist does not make them a racist - no matter what they say after the fact.

That I can agree with. I do, after all, defend (to a point) people who march in ANSWER's rallies from being lumped in as Stalinists.

It appeared from the CCC site that Haley Barbour attended a function sponsored by the CCC. That was the impression I got from it. I'm sorry I didn't quote it, but it was only a photo caption and the text itself was boring and not particularly quote-worthy. I had no idea they would take it down today. It has been up for weeks now.

I don't know if Haley Barbour is a racist or not. I didn't say that he is. The CCC definitely is, and any politician that pals around with them has a serious problem whether they themselves are racist or not. If Haley Barbour isn't actually one of them, that's great.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 6, 2003 03:11 PM

"I don't know if Haley Barbour is a racist or not. I didn't say that he is. The CCC definitely is, and any politician that pals around with them has a serious problem whether they themselves are racist or not. If Haley Barbour isn't actually one of them, that's great."

Fair enough.

I will give you that the picture indeed did look bad. I managed to see it before they took it down and from what I saw, I could easily see where you had drawn your conclusions from. That being said, after I saw it I went looking for some form of confirmation that Barbour had anything questionable in his past dealing with race and I came up with nothing.

If nothing else, I actually got an eye opener. Before this, I would have been pretty quick to jump on any politician who showed up on a Hall of Fame display in a leftist, radical organization's website. It would have probably been incorrect, but I would have done it anyway. Now I will be a whole lot more careful before I jump to conclusions about tangential evidence, supplied by a fringe group, about their "contacts" with mainstream politicians from either side of the political spectrum.

Posted by: Roark at November 6, 2003 03:18 PM

Ohmegosh. I have searched the web in vain up until now for some moderates and sensible Democrats to debate and discuss matters. I've been hanging around Bill Whittles Eject!Eject!Eject! and The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler, running with the conservative-libertarian set because: a) civil debate with those whose assumptions differ from one's own is a great way to develop personal rhetoric and; b) I found a lot more informed and civilized commenters than at whackball conspiro-sites like Democratic Underground and IndyMedia. I don't have a comment on this specific thread; I just want to let you know Michael, that I count myself as a fellow pro-defense democrat who is similarly dismayed with their present ideolgical morass. Thank you for some excellent posts.

Posted by: Jeremy Smyczek at November 6, 2003 03:29 PM

Jeremy,

You're welcome. :)

And check out the blogs on the left side of my page. About half of them represent a similar point of view.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at November 6, 2003 03:51 PM

Michael:

I have an extensive set of posts on the Barbour/Black Hawk flap here. Suffice it to say it doesn't paint a pretty picture for either major party in the state.

Posted by: Chris Lawrence at November 6, 2003 05:12 PM

Michael,
Being from the Third World Banana Republic of Louisiana, I am somewhat familiar with Mississippi (unofficial state motto: Where incest is best).

Granted, it is often the butt of many jokes I have, though I have my own views on Barbour. As RNC Chairman, he had his face in the camera a lot. The GOP took over the House and the Senate during his tenure, so he had to be doing something right.

I do wonder if Barbour was a Democrat in his youth as most Southern Republicans over 50 are, though that is irrelevant. I would chalk him up as a fundraiser/attention whore, and I would agree he was worng to have dealings with the CCC.

I also wonder how much of the black vote he received. 1/3 of Mississippi's population is black, so I doubt Republicans there would write off their vote, as many in the country are guilty of.

Even Trent Lott wins 25% of the black vote, so I imagine Barbour will do better, especially with many older blacks in the Mississippi Delta being Republican since they remember the days of the Democratic party's ties to the KKK.

In any event, I doubt Barbour will say the oddball things Kirk Fordice said as Governor of Mississippi.

Now if Haley Barbour can bring Mississippi above Alabama, Lousiana, Arkansas, and West Virginia, he'll have done pretty well ;)

Posted by: Green Baron at November 6, 2003 05:21 PM

Michael:

As a card carrying member of the VRWC (no you can't see it), I'd like to thank you too. We won't agree on much but I appreciate your lucid commentary. You have a truly liberal vision and remind me of HH (he would have made a fine President). I hope that your (and others) efforts can drag the Dems back from the precipice.

Posted by: RDB at November 6, 2003 05:45 PM

And, by the way, Haley could not have achieved victory without black support. Take a look at party registration.

I might suggest watching the Janice Brown nomination next week also. Wishes do come true.

Posted by: RDB at November 6, 2003 05:52 PM

RDB, Mississippi doesn't have party registration. You vote in the primary you want; the only rule is you can't vote in a different party's primary runoff if you voted in the primary.

Posted by: Chris Lawrence at November 6, 2003 06:02 PM

Wow! That group is frightening. But the discourse seems to be dominated by one loan nut. No candidate should appear with such a hateful group. But I doubt Haley shares their sick views. Not that that's an excuse for treating with them. Wow!

Posted by: Doug at November 6, 2003 08:02 PM

Chris,

I misread an article describing both the gubernatorial races. KY does have registration and Chandler had to have drawn a fair percentage of Dems. There the registration edge was 59-35 Dem.

Thanks for the correction.

Posted by: RDB at November 6, 2003 09:16 PM

There is an ongoing problem with Mississippi politicians from both major parties legitimizing the CofCC by showing up at their functions, speaking at them, and being members of the CofCC (even some black politicians, believe it or not, speak at their political rally).

As long as our leaders and politicians in Mississippi keep showing up and having their pictures made, this organization will continue to have an unwarranted status in the state. What's an ordinary citizen to think about the CofCC if their leaders appear to support them? Especially if they are not well-read and have no idea what the CofCC stands for, some might be suckered into joining, supporting with money, or just poohpoohing any criticism of the CofCC.

Even worse, the CofCC has claimed, within the last few years, to have 34 members who are state legislators. It's not hard to believe when you look over past issues of the CofCC newsletter and see the names of state legislators in Mississippi listed as speakers at meetings, and in a case or two, being nominated for office in the CofCC. The state legislator standing next to Haley Barbour in the infamous picture, Bunky Huggins, appears to be a member of the CofCC, and has been mentioned as a possible Chairman of the Appropriations Committee.

This has got to end.

An article "Racing for the Governor's Office," can be found at http://www.mississippipolitical.com/houseed.htm

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