October 19, 2003

21st Century Liberalism?

Disaffected Democrat Gerard Van der Leun wants to export the American Revolution to the entire human race.

Arrogant? Perhaps. But it sure beats "Bush=Hiter."

Posted by Michael J. Totten at October 19, 2003 10:54 PM
Comments

Gee, tough call. Export the most successful social arrangement in history, or let these backward nations wallow in generation after generation of misery, tyranny, and kleptocracy.

Posted by: R C Dean at October 20, 2003 04:19 AM

Geez, that guy writes turgid prose. Still, its got some merit. It appears ultimately, what the Administration is trying to do in Iraq.

Posted by: eric at October 20, 2003 05:21 AM

"Gee, tough call."

One would think. Of course, the people who need to hear this probably won't listen, and the people who'll listen don't actually need to be told.

Posted by: Moe Lane at October 20, 2003 05:58 AM

Take up the white man's burden!

Posted by: Kimmitt at October 20, 2003 04:09 PM

Nice to see that you've finally started reading up on your Kipling, Kimmitt: still, seeing as you've apparently become a Buchanite neo-isolationist*, I'm wondering what you get out of it.

Moe

*Democracy not good enough for anybody not a Real American, huh?

Posted by: Moe Lane at October 20, 2003 07:10 PM

The idea that because a person does not view the intervention in Iraq as good US policy that he or she does not view any intervention as good policy is a prime example of the sort of intolerance for nuance or sense which characterizes the pro-war constituency.

Posted by: Kimmitt at October 20, 2003 10:18 PM

Okay, Kimmitt, I'll bite. Where IYNSHO should we intervene?

Posted by: Al Superczynski at October 21, 2003 02:36 AM

Nowhere, because our Kimmett does not believe in Capitalism and Free Market.

He believes in having those smart people force us to act properly.

God forbid the unwashed masses actually have a right to vote. That might re-elect Bush in a landslide.

Posted by: James Stephenson at October 21, 2003 05:26 AM

"The idea that because a person does not view the intervention in Iraq as good US policy that he or she does not view any intervention as good policy is a prime example of the sort of intolerance for nuance or sense which characterizes the pro-war constituency."

Oh, that's rich. The original post was on how we should export our culture and institutions around the world. Your response references a Kipling poem in what you think is a rebuttal, but actually just indicates that you either haven't read it, or read it properly, or disagree with the sentiments in it - which is, indeed, a perfectly serious call for the exportation of Western culture and institutions around the world (with an unfortunate amount of racism and paternalism tied into it, but I was given to understand that we're supposed to recognize the context of such things when making assessments of them. Yes, actually, that does include Dead White Males). I, choosing to believe that you believe the things that you type - instead of just assuming that you're an illiterate - point out that you are espousing the closest contemporary political position to such sentiments, which is indeed Buchanan's distasteful nativism.

And because of all of this, I somehow lack nuance. (Shrug) Even if I do, I can at least read.

Posted by: Moe Lane at October 21, 2003 07:45 AM

Kimmitt -

"The idea that because a person does not view the intervention in Iraq as good US policy that he or she does not view any intervention as good policy is a prime example of the sort of intolerance for nuance or sense which characterizes the pro-war constituency."

You seem a bit aggrieved, but perhaps I'm reading too much into this. Imagine how others must feel when, because they support the intervention in Iraq, they are accused of supporting the invasion of every other Muslim country by those who are more nuanced than they.

Keith Johnson

Posted by: Keith Johnson at October 22, 2003 03:34 AM

There are many reasons to have invaded Iraq -- among them is the belief that we are in a world-spanning war against "Islamofascism." Those who share this belief, by and large, will admit when pressed that the Iraq war is to be the first salvo in a series of regional invasions, including (at first) Syria and Iran, then moving outward until each Muslim nation spontaneously develops a US-loving democracy or faces our military might.

You may not share this policy prescription.

Posted by: Kimmitt at October 23, 2003 11:52 AM

Nowhere, because our Kimmett does not believe in Capitalism and Free Market.

This is correct; I do not hold as a matter of religious faith that capitalist structures are always perfectly efficient and equitable.

>He believes in having those smart people force >us to act properly.

I find it interesting that you see a dichotomy between yourself and the intelligent, but this statement has no meaning; of course I believe in the rule of law.

>God forbid the unwashed masses actually have a >right to vote. That might re-elect Bush in a >landslide.

"Re-elect," due to the nature of our Constitution, is a verb to which President George W. Bush will never be able to make valid claim.

Posted by: Kimmitt at October 24, 2003 10:36 AM

""Re-elect," due to the nature of our Constitution, is a verb to which President George W. Bush will never be able to make valid claim."

Yes, thank you, it wouldn't be a proper thread without you pissing and moaning about how you don't think George W Bush is the legal President of the United States. Do you think that you could come up with a anacronym, or something, just to save us all time?

Posted by: Moe Lane at October 24, 2003 11:25 AM

Dang, even by my usual standards that's a weird typo. Delete the first a and put a space after the an.

Posted by: Moe Lane at October 24, 2003 11:26 AM

In what way was Bush not elected President of the United States.

He got all of the necessary Electoral votes. And even when all of Florida was recounted he won.

Because the SOTUS stopped the Florida Supreme Court from changing election laws after the fact and for some reason Bush was selected?

In Florida election laws, it states once through the machine, if the vote is close a second time through the machines and that vote counts.

But the Florida Supreme's said, now wait a minute, our guy has a chance to win, lets ignore that election law.

Bah, idiocy. You call my intelligence into question and then spout this nonsense. Good god, Pot meet Kettle.

And by the way, I should have said intellectuals. Those who preach theory but never practice in the real world. Socialism/Communism has proven to be a bad theory, yet we still get preached to by these people. Why?

Posted by: James Stephenson at October 27, 2003 05:22 AM

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