As a long time "l" libertarian (former L)-- wanting a maximum of human freedom and human responsibility, yet unsure what principles and political compromises most advance that goal, I advise you to attend some more meetings with real LP activists. Almost all are quite intelligent, distrustful of any authority. If you connect well with some, it could be fine for you.
Sigh. But the LP is also full of "purity police". Many, if not most, leading LPers are against the Iraq war -- for the right reason of the huge increase in US gov't power and the restrictions of freedom of US citizens, and the need to use ever more tax money, the costs. Which, for me and many other libbers, is NOT enough to balance the security benefits, and the humanitarian benefits, but at least is the reasonable cost-benefit analysis. See (Libertarian) Samizdata.net
http://samizdata.net/blog/

There's also the basic non-aggression axiom; you are free to act while not hurting others. Inside the LP there is a minority who believe that abortion violates this principle (Libertarians for Life); most LPers are strongly, even radically, pro-choice.

The pragmatic Lib position is: socially liberal (choice) and fiscally conservative (low tax). Anti-gov't, anti-authoritarian. Classical liberal.

Check out Britain and Hong Kong for Radio Frequency ID chips and variable road pricing, as a way of charging more for the roads in crowded (rush hour) times.

I remember two common critiques: 1) Libs are too radical; and 2) even if elected, a few Libs couldn't really do anything to change the system.
(I usually took this to mean the person didn't want to "waste their vote" on a third party). Both critiques are excellent, and contradictory: there's little chance of a few Libs getting anything radical passed, so don't worry about (1); but because they ARE radical it is likely they would do more than any other choice to reduce gov't/ increase individual freedom, so (2) applies least to them.

We have been calling ourselves classical liberals here in Europe, to separate us from US welfare liberals (it was the gov't welfare for every special interest group that discredited the term "liberal"), but “libertarian” is becoming known as a word, too. There’s a great AEI-Brookings paper on a very pragmatic Libertarian Paternalism.
http://www.aei.brookings.org/admin/pdffiles/phptj.pdf

When it comes to ideologies, the totalitarians and collectivists are at the top of my hate list. North America does not suffer much from indigenous fascists; instead the opposite ideology, libertarianism, is our local danger. I understand the historical attraction of Mrs. Thatcher and Ms. Herold, but I am afraid that their North American followers to not understand the acid effect of radical individualism on the fabric of our social existence.

I am afraid that their North American followers to not understand the acid effect of radical individualism on the fabric of our social existence.

Say what you will about radical individualism, it can't begin to touch the body count piled up by authoritarian states over the last century. To my mind, nothing damages the fabric of individual and social existence like mass murder. Call me when the radical individualists have managed to kill 100 million people, and we can talk about whether individualism or collectivism is the more dangerous.

Now, some minimal level of government is necessary, in my opinion, which is why libertarians are not anarchists. That minimal level is far below what we have now throughout the world. Thoughtful libertarians are trying to reverse, incrementally, the seemingly unstoppable march to larger and more powerful collectivist states.

Full disclosure: I am a contributer to samizdata.net, but I honestly believe the discussions there about the whole range of libertarian issues are as thoughtful and entertaining as I have seen anywhere. We even have contributors on both sides of the war question. Sorry, Michael, but for the most part we don't have much use for state-sponsored and -enforced living arrangements like New Urbanism. If its so great, why don't people adopt it without a jackboot prodding them on?

Drop on by if you want a taste of current thinking on libertarian issues.

Hey...I have alot of "objectivist" friends. You know, the Ayn Rand people. Well, let me tell you, they think incredibly little of "libertarians". They all tell me that libertarians are nothing but a bunch of anarchists and that somehow they're different (more radical, if you ask me, but different) because they accept the reality of government and simply want to change it to their own objectivist norms of "reason". These people are a strange bunch, no doubt. But I'd gladly welcome a libertarian's take on Objectivism if anybody would be so willing.

Hey, lets not start building up big expectations of the French! I remember the Reaganites getting all excited in the early 80's when Chirac was elected Mayor of Paris. I distinctly remember statements like, "the French are coming to their senses!"

:)

I'm a moderate libertarian.What that means is that in theory,I agree with most of the libertarian goals.However,in practice,the goals of abolishing the welfare state,public education,progressive taxation and so forth are way too radical for me.They are also way too radical to be accepted by most people,ever,at the same time.

There is a good reason for this kind of conservatism.History shows that imposing radical change in a society on a massive scale will lead to social upheaval,and worse.Just look at what happened after the French revolution.Social reform is something that ought to be practiced in bits,so as to let society adjust properly.

Libertarianism:it's a good thing in small doses,but you wouldn't want to swim in it.

"I am afraid that their North American followers to not understand the acid effect of radical individualism on the fabric of our social existence."

What "acid effect" would that be?

Nothing is more frightening than people being free, huh?

Libertarianism relies upon the belief that, at his core, man is a decent creation. It requires that man must trust other men to act in a reasonable manner. Those who see other men as things to be controlled will feel their skin crawl when libertarianism mentioned. That usually manifests itself in terms like "radical individualism".

"In other words, French unions should be more like American unions."

Well, imitating our teacher's unions won't get them far away from mediocrity and job-protecting rackets, for sure not in education. We're in relatively better shape because the American people hasn't accepted unions just as it hasn't socialism, not for some kind of reasonableness implicit in our unions. Please read the Thernstroms' recent book on minority education No Excuses.

It's was funny for me that you posted this today. Just yesterday, I checked out the New York Libertarian party website, and I was thinking about signing up. But I think I agree with you. I may have certain 'libertarian' leanings, but I am not so keen on the actual policies promoted by the party leadership. Anyway, it doesn't seem that there is much room for a third party in national politics, the two-party system is just too strong.

I was interested in libertarianism for awhile, but was also turned off by the tolls. Never tell a New Jerseyan that the world needs more tolls.

Some state programs, like roads, social security, police, firemen, military defense, schools and reservoirs benefit everyone, and should be supported by everyone. We should - you know - share. Some libertarians believe that if state supported schools or social programs aren’t working, they should be replaced by private schools or charities. Pakistan already has that sort of system in place. State supported programs and schools are replaced by Islamic ‘charities’ and madrassas. It’s not working very well.

Sabine Herold and the moderate libertarians have interesting ideas – they’re not anti-war, they don’t have the ‘pull yourself up by your own bootstraps or it’s off to the poorhouse with you.’ attitude of extreme libertarians. Moderate libertarians sound like traditional anti-authoritarian liberals. Why don’t they just call themselves liberals? Are they turned off by the whole liberal/socialist/lefty/Democrat association?

You’re right, trying to stick a label on ideas is tiring. Ideologies have too many unnecessary rules. If you say that you’re a libertarian, are you allowed to support public schools? If you say you’re a Democrat, are you allowed to support pre-emptive military action? These rules may be the reason so many anti-authoritarian types don’t like to call themselves anything lately.

Hello Michael. I've been reading you for a long time, including your descriptions of your political philosophies. Hate to have to be the one to break this to you, but as a "classic liberal" who believes strenuously in freedom, you're already a "small l" libertarian.

Welcome to the club.

Have to admit, the Libertarian extremes in the National party are why I left the Libertarian Party years ago, even though I continue to "protest vote" them in presidential elections. I came to feel more and more [in a similar way to your dissafection with the Democrat Party] that they didn't in the least reflect the basic views of a "classic libertarian with conservative leanings and classic liberal social views" such as myself.

It's left me effectively partyless for a decade, although I still call myself a libertarian, just as you class yourself a liberal.

Oh well. If this trend continues, we're going to see a "moderate, centrist, classic liberal, libertarian, constitutionalist, fiscally conservative, Jacksonian forien policy" independant/mainstream Common Sense Party form in the wake of the self destruction of the Republican/Democrat/Libertarian parties sooner than late.

Can't be too soon for me. [We can all argue about the exact shape and proportions of all those views in the new party when it starts to form. Should be fun. ;)]

Public school officials tried to intimidate us into medicating our son when it was totally unnecessary. Thank goodness for private schools. They generally do a better job of educating at a lower expense (although it comes out of your pocket.) My son now attends a public HS that we are very happy with, although we had to move to get into that school district. We took the responsibility and hassle of moving and it was worth it.

Be cautious about the Libertarian political party. I voted for the Libertarian candidate for governer in Illinois, and found out later that the party is populated by Lyndon LaRouche types.

"Moderate libertarians sound like traditional anti-authoritarian liberals. Why don?t they just call themselves liberals? Are they turned off by the whole liberal/socialist/lefty/Democrat association?" - mary

Why yes, we are. [I'm not pregnant but I have a cat in my lap, hence the Royal "We" g]

The whole liberal/socialist/lefty/Democrat association has put me at least, off permanently from ever sticking a "Liberal" in front of my political and social views. They don't match, and I will not even by implication align myself with what has currently come to be the definition of Liberal.

My mother’s second husband gets tremendous rewards from his union

This seems wrong to me. I doubt that the union actually produces any rewards other than good fellowship. I suspect that you mean either that the union negotiated good things from his employer(s); or that the union is using his dues to buy some sort of group benefits. AFAIK this is about all unions actually do in a positive sense.

I suspect that you mean either that the union negotiated good things from his employer(s);

Yes, that's what I meant.

Interestingly, the mystery writer Stuart Kaminsky, whom I have known for many years as a colleague and who is a prominent libertarian, emailed me recently after reading my blog for the first time to ask if I, "the great leftist," had suddenly become a libertarian. Well, in some areas, sure, but in others absolutely not. One of those is education. I don't think it's an accident tht America rose to prominence in an er of strong public schools. Also, I think health care is a human right. (And of course that leaves aside the toll road nonsense that I won't even go into). Still, the libertarians have many strong arguments, stronger than ever for me, and I'm not just talking about legalized dope.

This seems wrong to me. I doubt that the union actually produces any rewards other than good fellowship. I suspect that you mean either that the union negotiated good things from his employer(s); or that the union is using his dues to buy some sort of group benefits. AFAIK this is about all unions actually do in a positive sense.

Are you being sarcastic? ALL they do? That's like saying that the government doesn't really do anything for us, because it just uses the taxes we pay to buy some group benefits (like the military, education, social security, etc...) and negotiates "good things" from other countries. I don't know about you, but I participate in the political process for more than just "fellowship."

"moderate, centrist, classic liberal, libertarian, constitutionalist, fiscally conservative, Jacksonian forien policy" independant/mainstream Common Sense Party

Sign me up.

Another way to look at it: a party that favors the common good over special interests. The problem: where would the activists and financial support come from?

It's not hopeless, though -- to some degree, this is the Clinton / DLC wing of the Democratic party, and moderate wing of the Republican party.

Hey, don't knock the toll-road idea. It's not practical everywhere, such as the sparsely populated stretches of road in the west, but it toll charges are a very efficient way of balancing the need for (1) road construction (2) road maintinance, and (3) traffic congestion in urban areas. It's actually been a pretty successful experiment in London (though perhaps too punitive), where it was initiated by "Red" Ken Livingston of all people.

Oberon,

I guess the money is the key isn't it? I'd give to a party that promised to help those in need, but weed out those who aren't (rather than "pay" them to like the party), who didn't try to win my vote by demonizing efforts to do what in the end makes sense (at least to me), but also respects me enough to let me do my own thing as long as I'm not hurting others.

Would a primary-less election do the trick? Maybe in conjunction with a single term limit? The recent California election for all its crazy candidates was interesting in that R's had their choice between Arnold and Tom, while D's could only vote for Cruz. Maybe if there were no primaries and no imcumbents (or maybe allow incumbents but not allow them to advertise since they're so exposed anyway) then people could actually find, support and vote for a candidate that meets their ideal. Voters could weigh the candidates adherence to specific positions vs. electability to a finer degree than under the primary system.

Maybe that's all un-workable, but it sure would be (and was in the Recall) nice to have more choices.

Unions gave us the 40-hour work week. Today, they give us the 40-day strike. We'll see them getting a little more public exposure, given the grocery clerk's strike in California (now spreading to the East coast). They start at around $36,000/year, with full health coverage. They're striking because the companies want them to pay $5/week ($15 for families) for their coverage - which is one of the best around. Today the Los Angeles transit mechanics went on strike - shutting down LA's bus service. They're only making $50k/year.

The pendulum has swung to the other side. Henry Ford broke his strikers. Today a union of 10,000 people could shut down the country (the Longshoremen, who came close last year.)

I get the impression that the French unions are more socialist than ours.

While the libertarianism of Sabine Herold (and of Matt Welch, Virginia Postrel, Samizadata.net etc.) is admirable; the rigid, doctrinaire big L Libertarianism of the Libertarian Party, and of the rest of the writers for the current incarnation of Reason magazine are about as far from the post-ideological, post-label centrism of you and of Roger L. Simon as you can get.
If you look at the comments section for Matt Welch's post of the link to his Sabine Herold piece on Hit and Run, you'll see almost all the comments are from people claming that he is some kind of heretic for daring to invoke the holy libertarian label to describe someone who supported the Iraq War, or indeed, any war, ever. For the rigid, doctrinaire, big-L type Libertarians this is an absolute litmus test issue, sort of like being pro-choice is for liberals, and these are the types who dominate the Libertarian Party, and increasingly, Reason Magazine. And, they also have a lot of overlap with even more extreme ideologues: anrchists, minarchists, anrcho-capitalists, Ayn Rand disciples, and the like. PJ O'Rourke had this great comment about the Libertarian Party, something like that it was a bunch of High School Math teachers, arguing about how to privatize the sidewalks. I'm more inclined to agree with your assessment in the 90's than your present one. I suspect that libertarianism seems more palatable to you now that you've gotten tired of the conventional Left and are seeking out different viewpoints, but I'm not sure if Big-L Libertarians matured in the interim. I'd be more inclined to say the opposite, particularly in the case of Reason Magazine, which under Virginia Postrel portrayed a more common sense, Hayekian perspective, and now under Nick Gillespie is something entirely different.

Michael,

I wonder how long your credulous love of unions would last stuck on the freeway in Los Angeles. Knowing you, I am sure that you could endure a day for solidarity's sake. You probably would last at least a week. But on the seventh week of the seventh year...oops, just drifted into an augary...after several years of this kind of crap and the insidious effects of routine striking your love of unions would likely turn ugly. American unions survive better because of the treat of strike. In France, and much of the EU, strikes are the endless tollbooths of their existance; extorting a toll on the economy and the people as if it were their due.

The greatest gift the Unions ever recieved from Washington was the Taft-Hartley Act which prevents them from shutting down the United States and being loathed in return. We just invaded two nations because 3,000 of our citizens and guests were killed, and we would not stand for that kind of effrontery happening again. How well would the unions stand up if they were conspicuously culpable for the deaths of fifteen thousand Americans?

The key to American stability is the balance of power and the notion that all power derives from the people, not the government, the corporations, the military, nor the unions. In France they have never established that balance as a central idea of their identity and they suffer for it now. Hooray for Sabine Herold for providing the beleagered French with the prospect of equitable liberty.

"Also, I think health care is a human right."

Roger, How so? Perhaps you mean the "pursuit of healthcare" is a human right." :>)

IMO Life and Liberty are human rights inherent in being alive, but the "pursuit of happiness" was so worded on purpose. The human right of "life" does not and cannot include any aspects pertaining to quality. Assert your right to be cancer-free or Parkinson's-free for life, for, example.

Since "Healthcare" comprises scientific discovery by individuals, invention and development of applications therefrom, and the time and expertise of individuals to provide it, in what way will you mandate compliance to provide healthcare as a "right" by law. What will be the consequences if the providers refuse?

You could say "just provide all of the above through government spending--since all the components and people in 'healthcare' are under the wing of the government, no coercion is involved." Would it work? Go to a CAT scan clinic in upstate New York and ask for a show of Canadian hands.

BTW I think the healthcare industry in the United States is presently showing all the severe distortion often predicted to occur in an over regulated business segment. Let it go and stand back.

PJ O'Rourke had this great comment about the Libertarian Party, something like that it was a bunch of High School Math teachers, arguing about how to privatize the sidewalks.

Heh. Yes, the big-L libertarians can't have me. They just can't.

he [Matt Welch] is some kind of heretic for daring to invoke the holy libertarian label to describe someone who supported the Iraq War, or indeed, any war, ever.

Yeah, for that reason too. As I said, the small-l libertarians are tempting, but I do have to pass.

What I'm doing instead is adding libertarianism to my ever-expanding intellectual toolbox. At the moment it includes left-liberalism, feminism, secularism, humanism, environmentalism, small-l libertarianism, and neo-conservatism. The last thing I want to do is pick up only one of the above while throwing the rest into the trash.

I think as an experiment it would be great to have a an affluent country organized on libertarian lines...but I'm fairly certain that it would be a country that I wouldn't want to live in -- one ruled by large corporations.

In re "...one ruled by large corporations"

"...such people need to learn the difference between economic power and political power--on their backs as, I think, they will."

      -Ayn Rand (Francisco D'Anconia), Atlas Shrugged

"I don't think it's an accident tht America rose to prominence in an er of strong public schools. Also, I think health care is a human right. (And of course that leaves aside the toll road nonsense that I won't even go into)."

One way to be practical AND libertarian is to advocate for market-driven processes (as opposed to command-and-control processes) even in government-controlled publically funded areas. Vouchers for education is a good example. Another is the modernization and reduction of the federal government payroll undertaken by Gore during the Clinton admin. Which worked as far as I know.

My achilles heel is arts funding, public libraries, and wilderness areas. There are certain things essential to civilization that fall victim to the tragedy of the commons if left to market forces. But their administrations can still be informed by good business practices and not have the non-profit organizational culture.

Yehudit,

I agree totally.

You might consider adding Georgism, for Henry George (The Single Tax) advocating a land value tax. Modern Georgists often expand that to include other extractive (gold, radio bandwith) industries, and some (like me) to include pollution taxes and their surrogates. Like gas taxes. With all the discussion about left-right, one on a ranking of taxes (individ income tax about the worst) might be illuminating.

Roger, I think any civilization to be proud of would have a system of generous health care available for all. But the problem of "health care as a right" involves the need to impose a duty, on somebody else, to give the care. Who, how much -- decided by force of gov't.

Given the current health mess, imagine a few changes: a 100% tax credit (much better than deduction) for personal and family health insurance, and also for any charity which uses at least 80% of its funds for health care for the poor and uninsured.
An increase in the number of accredited Med schools (currently monopolistically limited).
The replacement of current laws against practicing medicine w/o a licence with a written statement of a pacient agreeing to pay for care that might be medical care from a non-licensed care worker.

Health care problems would be greatly reduced.

Note an issue with lib-oriented problem reductions -- it doesn't promise that the problem is solved for everyone. Thus, even if a market oriented small gov't practice works better than the Canadian socialist practices, the big gov't promise to care for all always sounds better.

Michael,

French unions should be more like American unions.

There is an important distinction to be made between public and private sector unions. Private sector unions are ultimately constrained by market discipline. Public sector unions are not. Public sector unions are much more powerful in France which is one reason why that country is in a downward spiral.

Here are something interesting differences between Republicans and Democrats. Read into it what you wish:

Republicans are more likely than Democrats to say they believe in God (by eight percentage points), in heaven (by 10 points), in hell (by 15 points), and considerably more likely to believe in the devil (by 17 points). Democrats are more likely than Republicans to say they believe in reincarnation (by 14 percentage points), in astrology (by 14 points), in ghosts (by eight points) and UFOs (by five points).

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,99945,00.html

What we really need is a pragmatist's party.

HA,

I don't believe in any of that stuff. Not a bit of it.

HA, way to go with the cheap rhetorical non sequiter. I know that you're aware there's been an interesting discussion going on here, because your comment right before this was on topic and a good point. So, if you really feel like you just have to get the word out about the Democrats but the subject material just isn't steering your way, may I suggest starting your own blog?

Christopher, perhaps HA posted a bit out of context, where the question is why did SF vote to keep Gray Davis?:
>>> The San Francisco Chronicle poses the question, and Orville Schell, dean of the journalism school at the University of California, Berkeley, offered this answer: "It strikes me that the better educated people are, more often than not, they tend to be more liberal, and I think this is a very well-educated area." <<<
The (I saw through WSJ) article includes exit poll breakdowns by education, followed by the Fox poll.
The relevance is that the "educated elites" vote/ support the Dems, and for big gov't, and to punish those who gain success through the market rather than, like at school, through verbal intelligence. See Nozick (libertarian hero, writer of Anarchy, State, and Utopia -- who disavowed the Lib. Party) Why Do Intellectuals Oppose Capitalism?:
http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/NozickCapitalism.htm
"It is surprising that intellectuals oppose capitalism so. Other groups of comparable socio-economic status do not show the same degree of opposition in the same proportions. Statistically, then, intellectuals are an anomaly.
...
Intellectuals now expect to be the most highly valued people in a society, those with the most prestige and power, those with the greatest rewards. Intellectuals feel entitled to this. But, by and large, a capitalist society does not honor its intellectuals."

As Nozick says, this is a real, and important issue. I think it explains a lot of Bush-Hatred by Paul Krugman & the Left. There's a huge amount of Pride on the Left about the Left's intelligence -- but it's prolly more than a bit misplaced.

Your blog is good Christopher, I'd agree that most posters here should consider starting their own.

Ok, my last peanut gallery comment I swear!

"Earning comparisons to Joan of Arc ... in the panting British press"

I wonder if she should be scared that the Brits are comparing her to Joan of Arc? :)

I rolled around the LP as a board member of one of the largest states and convention rep. It is a terrible thing to have done, to mix the general school of thought up with an ineffective political party. The politics don't make sense and the bloc of freethinkers are nothing but a debating society. Nothing ever gets done and the whole movement winds up marginalized. The best thing to happen to small-l libertarianism would be if the big-L Party would cease to exist.

Christopher,

Who appointed you to the blog topic purity patrol? Lighten up. Unless, of course, you have deeply held beliefs about reincarnation, astrology, ghosts or UFO's. If so, then I apologize for offending you.

Believe me, Michael is certainly capable of policing his own blog. And you might note that he appears to have seen the humor in the poll results.

And I don't see how the post was off-topic. Many secularists - usually leftists but not always - look down on those who have traditional faiths because of their supposed superstitions. It looks like both sides have their superstitions.

There are certain things essential to civilization that fall victim to the tragedy of the commons if left to market forces.

The tragedy of the commons is what happens when you have resources that are NOT subject to market forces, that is, are no one's property and thus available to all. In the context of state subsidization of favored activities, invoking the tragedy of the commons is at best a non sequitur.

The idea that a central bureaucracy, disbursing funds extorted from the populace, is the best way to guarantee a vibrant cultural life is, to my mind, utterly absurd. Vibrant culture comes from the bottom up, not from bureaucracies, and whenever you talk about public funding, you are talking about committees and bureaucracies controlling the funding. I note that in France, the film industry is heavily subsidized, and moribund compared to that of the US and India, where the film industry is conspicuously, and raucously, private.

I've found Libertarian ideas to be useful to me as a classical liberal for some time. They are often right about problems, but often wrong or contradictory about solutions.

Vouchers is a quick example. Sure, it's the privatization of education - but so what? Mostly to satisfy the Libertarians deep desire to get the government out of the business - which I understand. I'm not bullish on this mainly because I don't think there will ever be any meaningful competition between schools - just too expensive to get going for too little return. And without meaningful and dynamic competition, you can't get me excited about the privatization of anything. Meanwhile, I know from going to private school that tuition will be the current tuition plus the voucher the second they are put in place. I'd eat my hat if one poor kid got in one of those places on a voucher alone. Charter schools will do, I'd say.

Libertarians say taxes distort markets and take wealth out of the economy. They are 100% correct! But wait... they are not anarchists! They are going to have to tax! A flat tax? Oh who cares, it still hurts. As long as we manage to have a reasonable progressive taxation system thats comfortably less stifling on the rich than Europe or other socialist dystopias, I'll be perfectly fine.

"Sign me up.

Another way to look at it: a party that favors the common good over special interests. The problem: where would the activists and financial support come from?" - Oberon.

Sign me up too. Now, where do we go to sign exactly? Who do we have that's even trying to put togther a party/coalition of voters and candidates like I described?

Financial support, I'd suppose, would have to come from the same sources all politics draws theirs. Unfortunately, that'd also mean special interest groups and lobbyists... bad with the good?

Activists? Do we need them? ;]

I'd hope that the activists would come from the same type of people who voted in the California recall, and who are working in the Free State project. People to whom the kind of views I described are important to.

Dunno. I've been awake 20 hours working, and I'm muzzy and [I think] catching the flu. I'm definately not thinking on my feet well right now.

I'll caution everyone here that starting a new party is not for sissies. There are significant legal and financial barriers imposed by state election laws. It would be far easier to take over the existing LP and get rid of the antiwar loonies.

(I was active in the LP from '81-'98, was an officer in 2 state parties, ran for public office 3 times, gathered something upward of 1,000 signatures in ballot-access drives, attended state conventions nearly every year, and was a delegate to 4 national conventions.)

Jay,

I acknowledge your concerns about difficulties, although there is much to be said for many hands make light work and nervous bureaucrats. Show up with enough hands and you might well be their next boss.

More to the point though is that the advantage of reinventing the wheel is that the new wheel doesn't necessarily have the same crap attached to it. Since most people interested in a new party are mostly interested in cutting the old crap out, the other failings of the process are often overlooked.

I have great hopes and tremendous doubts about the near term efficacy and the long term stability of a new party. It is critical to remember that much of the strength of the existing duopoly is their ability to get their friends work. Much of this is due to the current political structure growing directly from the political boss system. In the abscence of entrenched interests in support of a new party, it will be difficult to get the enduring volunteer strength needed to accomplish widespread voter turnout and election results. I am not saying that this cannot be accomplished, but it is a difficult that needs to be addressed.

Who appointed you to the blog topic purity patrol?

Deputy Dawg.

Ok, so you and at least one other person found your post relevant. Sorry that I didn't.

Christopher,

Deputy Dawg.

Heh, heh, heh!

I googled Deputy Dawg for the heck of it and found an interesting bit of Cold War Americana. Here is the synopsis of one episode:

A space capsule from Russia lands in Creek Mud. Deputy Dawg and Muskie try to protect the space capsule's pilot Mischa Mouse from a Kremlin official who wants to return Mischa to The USSR.

http://www.bcdb.com/bcdb/detailed.cgi?film=19395&p=s

Do you think we'll someday have cartoons featuring Chinese space capsules?

Now since it was you who brought up Deputy Dawg, don't slam me for being off-topic! OK Muskie?

Da, HA.

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