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Anan, you blithering idiot, show me where and when I have disrespected Poland's contribution to ISAF, to NATO, or in general.

Here, let me help you with just one of several samples...

http://render64.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/meet-the-rosomak/

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Glasnost (did you choose that nic out of sarcasm or spite?):

Perhaps we should take a closer look at those two really big buffer “states” between Poland and Russia? If they are in the Tsar's way, how long do you think they would last, a minute or two?

Belorussia and Ukraine are currently no more independent of Russia then Puerto Rico is of the US. They are both self-governing, unincorporated territories of Mother Russia. Already Russian military occupied in at least the Ukraine's case.

Russia alone does in fact still have miles upon square miles of tanks stored in various stages of disrepair, some 20,000 by their own admittance. Ukraine and Belarus each have several thousand more of their own.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/7338097/200-Russian-tanks-found-abandoned-in-forest.html

Is disinformation your sole purpose for being here, or is it a pathological condition on your part?

PATTERN

RECOGNITION,

R

First you spit at the face of Taiwan [admit to being pro Taiwanese], now you insult Poland. Please make your points without insulting countries.

We Americans owe a lot to the Poles. Maybe you should start showing them some gratitude. One of the things that irritates me most about my fellow Americans is ingratitude.

Poland achieved its economic growth on its own. What has the US given Poland? Polish subsidies come from the EU.

Poland has played a large role in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Poland lead a multinational Division in Iraq and played a large role in training ISF and facilitating reconstruction. The [partly] Polish mentored LTG Uthman's 8th Iraqi Army Division was the best quality Iraqi Army Division in the mid 2000s. 8th IAD remains one of the best quality army divisions in any Arab army. Polish mentored Iraqi Police in the upper central South are among the best in any Arab country.

In Afghanistan, Poland has deployed to what I consider possibly the the second toughest Afghan province [out of 34, the toughest being Nuristan] or Ghazni. Mullah Omar, Al Qaeda, Lashkar e Taiba, Sirajuddin Haqqani, are probably more popular in Ghazni than in Kandahar. Possibly more popular than they are in any other Afghan province. Siraj's fighters, backed by Lashkar e Taiba [who attacked Mumbai], TTP and TNSM [who mass murder thousands of Pakistanis in terrorist attacks], IMU/IJU [two AQ linked groups from Uzbekistan] are better fighters than Mullah Omar's Quetta Shura Taliban that fight in Helmand, Kandahar, Uruzgan and Zabul. Mullah Omar's lower quality Quetta Shura Taliban fighters aren't as big a factor in Ghazni.

The Polish mentored 3rd Brigade, 203rd ANA Corps, and the Polish mentored Ghazni provincial ANP [not good quality, have loyalty issues, and take horrific casualties at Siraj's hands] are holding the line with an economy of force under resourced operation in Ghazni; to permit the surge of ANSF, ISAF, and civilian governance to other strategic Afghan Provinces. [Ghazni is not getting as much of a governance/reconstruction/civilian surge as other Afghan provinces.]

The 2600 Polish troops and the 3-203 ANA are in a fight for their lives against a very tough foe. Despite this, Polish mentored 3-203 ANA is fighting well [better than many Pakistani Army Brigades, or dare I say it many ISAF national contingents]. The Poles deserve a lot of credit. The Poles have 6 OMLTs assigned to 3-203 ANA [possibility that 1 OMLT is assigned to another ANA brigade, but doubt it.] The Poles also have 10 POMLTs [probably all of which are] deploying with the Ghazni ANP. Can you imagine a more dangerous assignment?

Thank you Poland. You rock! To hell with anyone who disses the Poles.

Glastnos, you some times have reasonable ideas [for example that Israel should do right by the Palestinians], but your words are often very offensive.

This is actually a perfect capsule, a symbolic testament, a moment of clarity. It's perfect perfect perfect.

Stay with me.

What, exactly, on earth, does Poland need to be protected from vis-a-vis Russia?

What? Tank divisions steaming across the Eastern Plains?? Nano-robotic armies hidden inside oil and gas imports? Mean-spirited remarks at conferences???? They don't even share a border anymore!!! Hello! This is not 1943!

The truth is that Poland doesn't need to be protected from a damn thing. And in the extremely unlikely event that it did need such protection, did Barack Obama exit NATO when I wasn't looking? I mean, what the fuck are we talking about?

Of COURSE Poland liked George Bush better. The only thing Poland likes better than pursuing its mutual spitball fight with Russia is doing it on our dime. Can you spell M-O-N-E-Y? The US taxpayer shelled out billions to Poland under GWB on the strength of such stupid vapors.

But a spitball fight is all it is. Defense sectors and industries exist to make enemies, perceive enemies, and exaggerate threats to justify their budgets. But actual war is very often unprofitable. So Poland and Russia will be limited to spitball fights for the forseeable future.

George Bush III was the best friend for beligerent gold-digging client states the world has ever seen of a US president. And Breznhev was a great friend of gold-digging Soviet client states - until the USSR bled itself dry.

Get it?

(Where is your proof for that? Sakorzy has made it clear he thinks Obama is naive and others were upset Obama said so little about the Green Revolution UNTIL recently. Sure, most Europeans don't want US missile defense. When you state where Obama has been forced to move, why do you omit the pressure that had to be placed on the administration to reconsider their first moves?)

"...and they completely ignore that Obama has been dragging NATO allies to support the war in Afghanistan very much against the popular desires of most European nations"

(Bush did too and Obama promised he would get more support after making Afghanistan the central fron in the war on terror (before he stopped using the phrase). Did he get more support? If he is so bright then he was just saying that to mask what he knew would be the response. That goes towards credibility. At least Bush was realistic about the help from Nato in Afghanistan)

"Very few European governments perceive Iran’s nuclear program to be the threat that Washington does."

(Where is the proof of that?)

"Obama is foolishly pushing for Iranian isolation (ah....I see) at the same time that some European countries are increasing economic exchange with Iran, so how has he been trying to get to “the left” of Europe?"

(Europe announced added sanctions BEFORE the US. Again, you are pushing bad facts and your motive is revealed. In fact the European sanctions WERE PUT ON HOLD by Obama's use of the 2007 NIE report during the primary to signal his NEW BRILLIANT strategy of talking. Many predicted where that would led and they were right, weren't they? The Europeans were publicly upset with both the report and Obama's derailing the sanction drive in 2007-8 )

"Totten will search in vain for administration condemnations of Operation Cast Lead, but he will find Obama specifically rejecting the Goldstone report. The administration had essentially nothing to say about the Dubai assassination, and obviously in the aftermath of the flotilla raid the U.S. has sided quite clearly with the Israeli government"

(with the exception of Biden, the administration HAS STILL NOT supported the actual facts and elaborate provocation of this event. No CLEAR signals were launched and the Obama used this opportunity to question the blockade and make a sutble case of equivalency in moral irresponsibility).

"Even in squabbles over settlement policy when Netanyahu deliberately and repeatedly ignored and publicly defied Washington, the administration relented quite quickly."

(Because of the domestic hellfire wrought from people EXACTLY like Totten which you would like to mute. At best you simply show Obama's more Leftish inclination was curbed by political realities and not the case you would like to state. That would be difficult without facts.)

You are rather the propagandist glasnost. We all sure heard Biden and Obama wax "liberty" on Georgia and support the European response. And by the way, Europe was far more supportive of the colored revolutions that the US, especially in regard to Obama. Now the administration projects Nixon's realism to explain their moves and perhaps Kissinger's shuttle diplomacy to explain US tech leaders sitting down with Assad as he rules out peace and likens Israel to the Nazis....

while shipping missile to Lebanon to stir conflagration....

Me thinks you'll be very disappointed in November when Americans weigh in on your narrative...

A lot of ad hominem and appeals to reputation and boogeyman under the bed bullshit. Pat Buchanan is a bigoted and more than a little nutty. He may be right about foreign policy! Hitler may have been right about vegetarianism! George Bush III may have been right about the importance of physical fitness!

Get the fuck over it! "

Obama continues to push harder on Iran’s nuclear program and missile defense in Europe than most governments in Europe actually want, and they completely ignore that Obama has been dragging NATO allies to support the war in Afghanistan very much against the popular desires of most European nations.Very few European governments perceive Iran’s nuclear program to be the threat that Washington does. Obama is foolishly pushing for Iranian isolation at the same time that some European countries are increasing economic exchange with Iran, so how has he been trying to get to “the left” of Europe?Totten will search in vain for administration condemnations of Operation Cast Lead, but he will find Obama specifically rejecting the Goldstone report. The administration had essentially nothing to say about the Dubai assassination, and obviously in the aftermath of the flotilla raid the U.S. has sided quite clearly with the Israeli government. Even in squabbles over settlement policy when Netanyahu deliberately and repeatedly ignored and publicly defied Washington, the administration relented quite quickly.

This is what matters. There's no Daniel Larison here. There's no American Conservative. There's just lists of obvious facts that make you look like a fool. The messenger is irrelevant. There may be other facts out there that contradict the case. Someday, you may even be able to present them.

But I believe that Paul Berman is hearing from Poland about missing George Bush III. Nothing would have fit GWB III's modus operandi than reassuring belligerent allies with trash talk and provocative actions. He did an excellent job of reassuring Georgia with that kind of thing. I hear that that worked out real well for them, didn't it?

Craig, a) I don't know what you're talking about

b) "left-wing radical"? Would that be someone with ideas we're supposed to find frightening? What ideas? Can you name them? Or is it just more stupid?

c) you have no idea who or what envoys might be in the Middle East from the UK, France, or Germany. You only know what the likes of the Weekly Standard feel like telling you. For all you know, the French Communist Party is lunching in Damascus with former IRA members.

d) And who gives a shit? envoys, language in speeches, music on the Queen's IPOD... bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Symbolism. The fodder for talking head phoney media wars. The real world is completely indifferent to it. What are aforesaid left-wing Barack Obama Boogeyman radicals in the ME talking about? where's the beef?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism

Not theory, fact.

GROSS

DEUTCH,

R