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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.michaeltotten.com/2010/03/sometimes-you-just-have-to-shoot-people.php#comment-10166</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Craig - The Brits have a far more realistic perception of themselves than the fantastically powerful role you assume they have.&lt;/i&gt;

I hope you&#039;ll excuse me if I go with my own perceptions, and not with yours. I haven&#039;t been very impressed with either your worldliness or your understanding of foreign cultures. For that matter, you don&#039;t even seem to understand American culture outside of whatever left-leaning circle you run in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Craig - The Brits have a far more realistic perception of themselves than the fantastically powerful role you assume they have.</i></p>
<p>I hope you'll excuse me if I go with my own perceptions, and not with yours. I haven't been very impressed with either your worldliness or your understanding of foreign cultures. For that matter, you don't even seem to understand American culture outside of whatever left-leaning circle you run in.</p>
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		<title>By: Ombrageux</title>
		<link>http://www.michaeltotten.com/2010/03/sometimes-you-just-have-to-shoot-people.php#comment-10165</link>
		<dc:creator>Ombrageux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>France, the UK, and Israel recovered fairly quickly (economically) after 1956... in fact they didn&#039;t even economically decline, the mere threat was enough for the Brits to back down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>France, the <span class="caps">UK, </span>and Israel recovered fairly quickly (economically) after 1956... in fact they didn't even economically decline, the mere threat was enough for the Brits to back down.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Madigan</title>
		<link>http://www.michaeltotten.com/2010/03/sometimes-you-just-have-to-shoot-people.php#comment-10155</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Madigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 04:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If it had forced the two parties to a peaceful resolution, wouldn&#039;t you think that would be a success?&lt;/i&gt;

No, because we would be treating our friends more cruelly than we treat our enemies. A nation that manipulates people that way winds up with few friends, many enemies and lost empires. 

Britain and Argentina are both friendly nations, both are allies. You would bankrupt both in an effort to avoid war, ignoring the fact that the resulting social disruption would probably cause just as much violence and death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If it had forced the two parties to a peaceful resolution, wouldn't you think that would be a success?</i></p>
<p>No, because we would be treating our friends more cruelly than we treat our enemies. A nation that manipulates people that way winds up with few friends, many enemies and lost empires.
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<p>Britain and Argentina are both friendly nations, both are allies. You would bankrupt both in an effort to avoid war, ignoring the fact that the resulting social disruption would probably cause just as much violence and death.</p>
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		<title>By: Ombrageux</title>
		<link>http://www.michaeltotten.com/2010/03/sometimes-you-just-have-to-shoot-people.php#comment-10136</link>
		<dc:creator>Ombrageux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary Madigan - If it had forced the two parties to a peaceful resolution, wouldn&#039;t you think that would be a success? I&#039;d imagine the Argentine military dictatorship would also have more difficulties surviving without American aid.

Craig - The Brits have a far more realistic perception of themselves than the fantastically powerful role you assume they have. The U.S. did flip the bird to them many times (whether good or bad) at Suez, the Falklands War, the invasion of Grenada, and the attitude towards German reunification (Thatcher opposed it).

Your argument seems to be that the U.K. gets &quot;pretending to be important&quot; out of its relationship with the U.S. Quite. That is pretty close &quot;basking in reflected glory,&quot; if less poetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Madigan - If it had forced the two parties to a peaceful resolution, wouldn't you think that would be a success? I'd imagine the Argentine military dictatorship would also have more difficulties surviving without American aid.</p>
<p>Craig - The Brits have a far more realistic perception of themselves than the fantastically powerful role you assume they have. The <span class="caps">U.S. </span>did flip the bird to them many times (whether good or bad) at Suez, the Falklands War, the invasion of Grenada, and the attitude towards German reunification (Thatcher opposed it).
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<p>Your argument seems to be that the <span class="caps">U.K. </span>gets "pretending to be important" out of its relationship with the <span class="caps">U.S.</span> Quite. That is pretty close "basking in reflected glory," if less poetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.michaeltotten.com/2010/03/sometimes-you-just-have-to-shoot-people.php#comment-10127</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Craig - I don&#039;t think the pretense of basking in the reflection of America&#039;s glory is good enough (as much as it moves a Blair think he&#039;s got &quot;the hand of history&quot; on his shoulder). &lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s not what I said at all :)

I think the UK views the US as an unruly child that needs a lot of guidance. And as i said, i think the British view themselves as the leader of Anglophile nations, as they probably should seeing as how England is over there and not over here...

That all changes, when the &quot;special relationship&quot; is gone. It&#039;d be kinda hard for the Brits to pretend they have a leash on the US if we flip em the bird and go our own way, right? That&#039;s already happened to an extent (I don&#039;t think most Americans feel there is a &quot;special relationship&quot; with the UK anymore) but the UK is still our closest ally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Craig - I don't think the pretense of basking in the reflection of America's glory is good enough (as much as it moves a Blair think he's got "the hand of history" on his shoulder). </i></p>
<p>That's not what I said at all <img src='http://www.michaeltotten.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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<p>I think the UK views the US as an unruly child that needs a lot of guidance. And as i said, i think the British view themselves as the leader of Anglophile nations, as they probably should seeing as how England is over there and not over here...
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<p>That all changes, when the "special relationship" is gone. It'd be kinda hard for the Brits to pretend they have a leash on the US if we flip em the bird and go our own way, right? That's already happened to an extent (I don't think most Americans feel there is a "special relationship" with the UK anymore) but the UK is still our closest ally.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Madigan</title>
		<link>http://www.michaeltotten.com/2010/03/sometimes-you-just-have-to-shoot-people.php#comment-10125</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Madigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;America played a successful anti-imperialist and peacemaking role in 1956 by pulling the plug on the British pound and leaving the French out to dry.&lt;/i&gt;

So to prevent war this time we should pull the plug on the Argentinian economy and leave the British out to dry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>America played a successful anti-imperialist and peacemaking role in 1956 by pulling the plug on the British pound and leaving the French out to dry.</i></p>
<p>So to prevent war this time we should pull the plug on the Argentinian economy and leave the British out to dry?</p>
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		<title>By: Ombrageux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ombrageux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig - I don&#039;t think the pretense of basking in the reflection of America&#039;s glory is good enough (as much as it moves a Blair think he&#039;s got &quot;the hand of history&quot; on his shoulder).

Mary Madigan - I don&#039;t *blame* people for their impotence. I would want peacemakers to be strong and warmongers to be weak. America played a successful anti-imperialist and peacemaking role in 1956 by pulling the plug on the British pound and leaving the French out to dry. America did not in 1982, for example, put comparable pressure on the Argentinians to back down. The responsibility for the war obviously remains primarily with the British and Argentinian governments of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig - I don't think the pretense of basking in the reflection of America's glory is good enough (as much as it moves a Blair think he's got "the hand of history" on his shoulder).</p>
<p>Mary Madigan - I don't <strong>blame</strong> people for their impotence. I would want peacemakers to be strong and warmongers to be weak. America played a successful anti-imperialist and peacemaking role in 1956 by pulling the plug on the British pound and leaving the French out to dry. America did not in 1982, for example, put comparable pressure on the Argentinians to back down. The responsibility for the war obviously remains primarily with the British and Argentinian governments of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Madigan</title>
		<link>http://www.michaeltotten.com/2010/03/sometimes-you-just-have-to-shoot-people.php#comment-10121</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Madigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Falklands War itself was senseless and, ideally, the U.S. would have been able to restrain the parties as it did during the 1956 Suez War. (Although, that might have been beyond the abilities of the country.)&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, it kinda would&#039;ve been. 

Apparently, you want the United States to be an omnipotent, omnipresent force that simultaneously serves as your own personal poodle, anticipating and immediately responding to your political and historical needs.

Why would Americans have a problem with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Falklands War itself was senseless and, ideally, the <span class="caps">U.S. </span>would have been able to restrain the parties as it did during the 1956 Suez War. (Although, that might have been beyond the abilities of the country.)</i></p>
<p>Yeah, it kinda would've been.
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<p>Apparently, you want the United States to be an omnipotent, omnipresent force that simultaneously serves as your own personal poodle, anticipating and immediately responding to your political and historical needs.
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<p>Why would Americans have a problem with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.michaeltotten.com/2010/03/sometimes-you-just-have-to-shoot-people.php#comment-10113</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That says it all, ombrageux, that you draw moral equivalence between Sudanese genocide and Israel defending itself from terrorists openly sworn to its destruction.  Thanks for confirming everything I&#039;ve said about you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That says it all, ombrageux, that you draw moral equivalence between Sudanese genocide and Israel defending itself from terrorists openly sworn to its destruction.  Thanks for confirming everything I've said about you.</p>
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