January 27, 2010
Why They Hate Us: Middle Eastern Politics and the Principle of the Strong Horse
If you read only one book about the Middle East this year—aside from mine, of course, after it's finished—read The Strong Horse by my friend and colleague Lee Smith. It is, as far as I am concerned, required reading for everyone who is interested in this topic. If you enjoy my work, you really need to pick up a copy
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Lee and I met in Lebanon in 2005, and have been friends ever since. We've spent I-don't-know-how-many evenings in Beirut and Jerusalem discussing Middle Eastern politics and conflict, sometimes expanding each others' knowledge and other times arguing. We don't argue so much anymore, except around the edges once in a while. I should say he won some of our arguments in the end, partly because he relocated to the Middle East before I did and was farther along on the learning curve, but he also claims I shaped some of the way he came to think about the region in that he believes the issues are largely Arab rather than Islamic per se. Whether he's right about that, or if I am, it's certainly an argument worth thinking about. Sometimes his prognosis is gloomy—the Middle East is the kind of place where it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to remain optimistic and hopeful for long—but we both have a lot still invested in the region, including mutual friendships in several Middle Eastern countries on both sides of the front lines.
The Strong Horse is the product of Lee's on-the-ground experience there as a traveler and a resident since the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. He was drawn to the region for the same principle reason I was—he wanted to figure out what on earth compelled suicidal hijackers to ram airplanes into our buildings. He stayed on for additional reasons, of course, as did I, and his book is about so much more than Osama bin Laden's murderous gang, but that was his starting point as it was mine.
His book is not so easy to summarize, so I invited him here to speak for himself and go over some of the main points.
MJT: The title of your book is The Strong Horse. Can you tell us exactly what that concept means?
Lee Smith: It comes from Osama Bin Laden’s observation that when people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse. I know this idea will be confused with the notion that Arabs understand only force, an idea often, and incorrectly, attributed to the Bush administration. It is useful to recall that throughout history most of mankind has “understood” force. Those lucky few who are fortunate enough to be able to live their political lives free of the fear of violence are largely concentrated in the capitals of contemporary Western Europe and along the east and west coasts of the United States, who not coincidentally happen to make up the primary audience I was writing for, so I wanted to explain that the inhabitants of the Arabic-speaking Middle East are not as fortunate as we are. To say that Lebanon is held at gunpoint by an armed gang, or that Lebanese journalists are assassinated for their work, Syrian intellectuals and Egyptian rights activists are typically thrown in prison and tortured, and regional minorities like the Shia, Druze, Alawi, Christians, Kurds and Jews have often been the target of purges and political violence all in the name of Arab nationalism, a corporatist ideology that seeks to erase communal as well as individual difference, is not to say that Arabs only understand force, but that violence is a central factor in Arab political life and it is impossible to understand the region without taking this into account.

MJT: On the first page of your book, in the first paragraph even, you said we all took 9/11 too personally. I think a lot of readers who will love your book might also be a bit startled when they see that. Can you explain what you mean?
Lee Smith: Yes, it took me a while to get to that point in my thinking about 9/11. As I say in that same passage, as a lifelong New Yorker, someone who was raised there, went to school and lived there, I took 9/11 personally, as an attack on my hometown, my family and friends. That’s the reason I went to the Middle East to find out what happened, because I took it personally. However, as I spent more time in the region I came to see 9/11 outside of the framework of Islam v the West, even as this conceit has great appeal across the American political spectrum. The right of center tends to argue that there is a war between Western civilization and the lands of Islam; the left of center typically contends that the problems of the Middle East are essentially the result of Western interference in the region, from colonialism to Zionism to American hegemony in the oil-rich Persian Gulf. After a while, I came to see that the issues in the region began in the region and belong to the region, and while Western influence has often been harmful, and more often beneficial, to the Arabs, it has been a very minor factor in shaping a region thousands of years old. There is indeed a clash, but it is between the inhabitants of the Arabic-speaking Middle East, and the 9/11 attacks were essentially an overflow of those issues that reached American shores.
MJT: There are indeed a number of clashes in the Middle East that have little to do with us, and it's easier to see this up close than it is from a distance. There are, for instance, clashes between Islamists and secularists; between Sunnis and sectarian minorities like Shias, Christians, Alawites, and Druze; between Arab Nationalists and ethnic minorities like Persians and Kurds. Why would one of these factions think it could get a leg up on the others by killing thousands of people in the U.S.?
Lee Smith: I am not sure if that’s exactly how I’d explain 9/11. But let me start by saying that it’s true one of the ways that various groups compete against each other for shares of power is by going after third parties. For instance, I argue in the book that Hezbollah’s dominant, though largely obscured, issue is the region’s Sunni majority. There is no doubt that Hezbollah despises Israel and would very much like to bring about its demise, but their deeper, perhaps existential, concern is not the some 5 million Jews on Lebanon’s southern border, but the Sunni sea that has engulfed the Shia for more than a millennium. And so fighting Israel establishes this Shia militia’s credentials as genuine Arabs, even as Abu Musab al-Zarqawi argued shortly before his death that Hezbollah was actually a Zionist front that protected the Jews from the real, i.e. Sunni, resistance. So, here is some of the sectarian animus at work in the region, the clash of Arab civilizations.
The same holds true for the Islamic Republic of Iran. Why does Iran care so much about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? They don’t share a border with Israel, they have not taken in Palestinian refugees like Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, nor are they even an Arab state. Sure, it is a Muslim power and Jerusalem is important to Muslims, but Indonesia is also a Muslim state and it is not anywhere near as vocal as the Tehran regime on this subject; nor of course does the Indonesian government provide many hundreds of millions of dollars of financial support to armed groups that fight Israel, like Hezbollah and Hamas, as the Iranians do.
The reason Iran has inserted itself in the Arab-Palestinian crisis is in order to project power in the region by shaming Sunni states, like Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. All of these states, US allies, either have peace treaties with Jerusalem or have opted out of any active participation in the war against Israel. The Iranians calculate that the Arab masses prefer resistance to reform, accommodation and compromise, and so Tehran has picked up the banners of war that the Sunni states have put down. Again, this is not to say that Iran’s rhetoric about destroying Israel is all a put-on, I don’t think it is. But the main reason they are ratcheting up the noise is because they see resistance ideology as a way to get a leg up, as you put it, on their real regional adversaries, the Sunni Arab states. And these countries, along with Israel, are all part of the US-backed order of the Middle East, which means that Iran’s posture toward the Sunnis, as well as Israel, is an enormous issue for us, our major strategic concern right now in the Middle East, bigger than Afghanistan, bigger than Iraq and much bigger than the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
So, let me come back to 9/11. There’s no doubt that the region is rife with anti-Americanism and an attack on the US, even as it kills thousands of civilians, is apt to win acclaim in too many corners of the Middle East. Bin Laden and the 19 hijackers certainly understood this, but I am not sure the dynamic I am describing is as clear-cut with regard to 9/11. Instead I tend to see 9/11 like this: Middle Eastern regimes, almost all of them, but most notably Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia use various so-called non-state actors to advance their regional interests and deter each other. For instance, Syria’s relationship with Jordan’s branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamic Action Front, and Jordan’s friendliness toward the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, means that these two states effectively deter each other—if you use Islamists against me, I will unleash Islamists on you. Al Qaeda, as a transnational outfit, seems to be a group that has been supported, manipulated and penetrated by a whole number of Middle Eastern security services, including but not exclusive of the Saudis, Egyptians, Syrians, Libya, Pakistan, and Iraq before Saddam’s downfall. This is not to say that any of these regimes have Al Qaeda or any of these terror organizations under their thumb; when you have a group of people with weapons, money and a deadly ideology it is difficult to manage them very closely. I think this is what happened on 9/11—one of these outfits had the wherewithal to carry its war elsewhere and they did, to the United States.
MJT: What, specifically, do you suppose Al Qaeda hoped to achieve with its attacks in New York and Washington?

Lee Smith: What’s maybe more interesting is what Bin Laden never anticipated—that the 9/11 attacks would lead to the Bush administration’s freedom agenda. I call Bin Laden the father of Arab democracy because it was only after 9/11 that Washington figured it had to address the vicious political culture that had cultivated a Bin Laden. Al Qaeda is not pleased that democracy is part of the political debate now in the Arabic-speaking Middle East.
But I think it’s really hard to say what Al Qaeda hoped to achieve, besides, obviously, the carnage that exceeded their hopes, as we know from that post-9/11 video in which Bin Laden expressed surprise at the results. In the aftermath, the US entered the region in force and with purpose. Some commentators suggested that this is just what Bin Laden had hoped, to tie down the Americans and get them to act in such a way that the Arab masses would have no choice to stand against the US. However, what we know is that some of Bin Laden’s colleagues thought it was a very bad idea to rouse a sleeping giant. And as for turning the region against the US, we shouldn’t forget that a lot of people in the region cheered the attacks. Our mutual friends and colleagues in Lebanon tell us that people were handing out baklawa in the streets of Beirut, nor of course was this the only Arab city where 9/11 was celebrated.
MJT: On the subject of anti-Americanism, I think you nailed it, and it really isn't that complicated. You wrote, "Anti-Americanism is the region's lingua franca, and from Nasser to Nasrallah it has not changed in over fifty years. The United States is hated not because of what it does, or because of what it is. The United States is hated for what it is not, not Arab and not Muslim."
Now, surely the fact that the U.S. plays a powerful role in the Middle East feeds into this. Like you said, it goes back to beginning of our presence in the region. If we had the geopolitical footprint of, say, Belize, hardly anyone in the Middle East would spend much time even thinking about us. But since we aren't going to shrink our footprint to the size of Belize or even Europe—not even with Barack Obama as president—is there really much we can do about this?
Lee Smith: The short answer is no. The long answer is also no—but I’ll elaborate anyway. Arab anti-Americanism, as I point out in the book, did not begin with the Bush administration, but goes back to the very beginning of our presence in the region and becomes the pre-eminent channel for anti-colonial sentiment after the Suez Crisis of 1956. The irony is that as President Eisenhower asserted the US’s anti-imperialist credentials and demanded that the French, British and Israelis withdraw from Egypt and leave Nasser alone. We had effectively ruined France and Great Britain’s position in the Middle East and it was not long before they left entirely—France left Algeria and Great Britain abandoned its position in the Persian Gulf. Hence, we were the only remaining Western power in the region and all the anti-colonialist sentiment was directed at us, even if our presence there has never resembled anything like that of a classical colonial power.
There is also a tribal element behind the anti-Americanism that I detail in the book, but it dovetails nicely with the once reigning anti-colonial sentiment articulated by the Arab nationalist intelligentsia, a theme encouraged at the time by our Cold War rivals in Moscow. Of course it was nonsense: Colonial powers extract wealth from their holdings for their own sake, as Syria did during its 15-year-long occupation of Lebanon; they don’t typically go in and produce wealth for the sake of the locals, like the Americans did in discovering oil in Saudi Arabia, marketing it, and protecting it and the Saudi Royal family for some 65 years at the expense of the American taxpayer. The money we’ve spent over the years protecting the Gulf, including the outlay for the Bahrain-based 5th Fleet, dwarfs the figures we’ve provided Israel and Egypt, the two top US aid recipients.
Of course, neither facts nor precise language will have much effect on Arabs who hold anti-American positions, nor on Americans or other Westerners who have similar views, from a so-called leftwing perspective. The major concern then is with that portion of Americans who really affect how we interact with the world, not just US policymakers, but our opinion-makers, journalists, talking heads etc., and whether or not they understand the sources of anti-Americanism and the various political and strategic purposes to which it’s put. For instance, Hendrik Hertzberg recently wrote in the New Yorker that, “Obama damped down the flames of global anti-Americanism.” Maybe Mr. Hertzberg missed the footage from Pakistan when they were burning the effigy of the 44th President, just as they did with the 43rd President, but this New Yorker writer has no choice but to ignore reality because anything other than fulfillment of the wish that Obama will make us loved around the world, rather than hated, as ostensibly Bush did, is too terrifying to contemplate.
I think this need to loved is about two things. First, anti-Americanism, not just of the Arab variety but the entire genre, is very old, dating back to even before the founding of this country. Barry Rubin has a book on anti-Americanism where he goes into this: Europeans felt they had to justify to themselves why they weren’t coming to the new world, this new Jerusalem, this city on a hill, so they concocted a narrative, some of it based on sheer fantasy, imaginary beasts, etc., about why the new world, America, was a very bad and dangerous place that rationalized their decision to stay in Europe. That is to say, anti-Americanism is originally a European phenomenon: we rejected Europe by coming to these shores and they rejected us in turn. The Europeans have had problems with America, the idea and reality, for 300 hundred years and it’s not going away anytime soon. This is the well from which our prestige intelligentsia is drinking; a large portion of our elite is relieved to see America put down so long as they are not included among the great unwashed by the people who, for some good reasons, they admire and, for not such good reasons, whose love they desire: the Europeans. It’s a prestige thing for this section of our elite. They don’t hate America, they love it. They just want their version of it—urbane, often ironic, international—represented to that part of the rest of the world that’s of most concern to them: Europe.
Since the ideas of the world that this class of Americans holds—the junior-year abroad school of US foreign policy—are rooted in insecurity, fear, and what the French call ressentiment, they are not very clear ideas about the world, neither about the scary parts nor the relatively gentler regions, like France, for example. I love France, I love the French, I especially love their strategic posture: can you imagine, a nation so devoted to its historical character that it is still trying to project power even though it has neither the military nor the economy to do so? Some would say it’s the opposite of what Obama is trying to do with the US—turn what is in reality a great power into a middling power, like France. I deeply admire France’s aspirations, even as many of their policies are repugnant. The fact is that France is usually successful to the extent its calculations are cynical, which is characteristic of French foreign policy throughout the ages. The idea that France’s actions on the world stage embody some sort of moral authority is perverse, ahistorical, and anti-intellectual insofar as there is scant evidence in the written record of France ever acting in such a fashion; but there you have it, our prestige intelligentsia was outraged that Bush didn’t take his marching orders from the French President on Iraq.
The other reason we are so concerned with anti-Americanism is quite simply mortal fear—we want to be loved because it is scary to be hated by scary people who set fire to things when a cartoon offends them, and blow things up when they get really mad. To be sure, Americans seem to be needier than the inhabitants of any other great power in world history—did the Romans require love? The Ottomans? The Brits?—but the fact is that people really do hate us. Maybe they hate us for what seem like good reasons, at least to them anyway, maybe it is about our policies, for instance. But many Arab Sunnis hate Arab Shia for what seem like good reasons to many Arab Sunnis—they hate the way the Shia practice Islam; they hate Shia “policies” about Islam. So maybe if the Shia don’t want to get blown up by a madman like Zarqawi they should change their policies regarding Islam and become Sunnis. Of course it’s ridiculous, as is the notion that Bin Laden and friends want to kill us because of our “policies.” We support Israel, they say; but we also are allied with every Arab state except Syria. We support Arab regimes that tyrannize their own peoples, they say; and then we deposed Saddam and you saw how the Arab Sunni masses reacted. The issue is not our policies; the issue is an existential one, and it is not about us, rather it is about a society that makes no room for difference, or what is known in academic circles as “the other.” If Zarqawi becomes a folk hero for slaughtering Arab Shia, this is not a region where a non-Arab, non-Muslim superpower is going to find much love.
We are a Great Power, and while some Americans, including some of our policymakers, may say they are uncomfortable about it, we all benefit from our size and ability to project power, hard and soft, the latter of which is earned exclusively by the successful employment of the former. But power and wealth are always going to attract attention from dangerous characters; it earns us envy as well as respect and there’s not much you can do about it because this is part of human nature. We all know the apparent paradox about how big guys get into so many fights because little guys are looking to prove themselves. A wise club owner will hire small, quiet—and deadly—men to keep peace at his bar, but the USA is not a tavern, we are big whether we like it or not, and so we seek to shrink ourselves at our own peril.
I’d love to ask the President about the last fistfight he was in—not as a macho, posturing thing, but just to find out what he thought in the aftermath, regardless of the outcome. Did he think, “what did I do to make that vicious drunk come after me? Maybe he was covetous of my iPhone? Maybe my date was dressed too provocatively?” Or did he think, “gee, that was scary as hell and it spun out of control real fast and I’m pretty lucky I was able to handle myself and my pals were there, and next time it might not be a wild haymaker I can see from a mile away but a crisp jab that catches me on the chin.” There are reckless and dangerous predators in the world; some of them pick fights in bars, some of them rule nation states, and others run planes into buildings.
In short, I think American foreign policy gets stupider the further it’s removed from our actual experience of the world. Surely before the President met and then successfully courted his beautiful wife, the First Lady, he struck out with other women, perhaps like most of us, many other women. The lesson that any half-sane adult American male draws from dating is that no matter how hard you try you can’t make people love you. Love is given by choice. By matching actions to words, you can earn respect, but you cannot coerce love, not from another human being, and certainly not from a foreign people.
MJT: Okay, so given all that, what would you say to the president of the United States if he invited you into the White House and asked what you think he should do about this?
Lee Smith: About all of it? Can we stick to the Middle East? The region is changing very quickly, or it already has changed, and we have come a very long way from Nasser, and even Saddam, a Nasser clone. Saddam’s fall showed just how weak the Arabs, by which I mean the Sunni Arab states, are. Saddam was one of their security pillars against the Iranians; their other security pillar, their expeditionary force, is Al Qaeda, which also took a serious blow in Iraq.
Let’s talk about Al Qaeda for a moment. The jihadi movement, what is often referred to as a transnational network of rogue or non-state actors, is a function of Arab regimes and their security services. There are other players in there, namely the Pakistanis and Iranians, but by and large the Salafi-Jihadi movement is an Arab affair. No doubt that you would have people, maybe more than we care to imagine, willing to carry out jihadi operations without state support, but it is impossible to sustain the movement as such without the funding, logistical and political support of actual states. This is not to say that these states have total control over their jihadi assets—look for instance at the recent episode in Afghanistan where the guy who was presumably controlled by Jordanian intelligence turned around and killed seven CIA officers and his Jordanian handler. It’s an index of how poorly we understand the wars we are fighting that no one drew the obvious conclusion from this awful story in order to define more precisely what Islamic terrorism is. How much money did we give this guy? How much did the Jordanians give him? Who else was paying him before he killed himself and 8 others? The Pakistanis? The Iranians? The Syrians? This is how these regimes fight and deter each other, through terrorist organizations.
OK, Michael, how about you and I conduct an experiment in adventure? Let’s get 50 of our closest friends to join us in a cave in Afghanistan. We’re all taking our girlfriends or wives, some of us more than one wife, our kids and other family members who would enjoy the outing. We should bring along that rich pal of yours who has a very big trust fund so we don’t have to worry about working to pay for our food and the other expenses that our steadily growing band of 250 will be running up. He’ll be able to keep drawing money out of his various accounts because his rich family is close to a powerful Arab regime, members of which at least tacitly approve of our work and will help us grease important wheels. But now that we have furnished our cave, one big expense that we didn’t anticipate is weapons. How will we get money for weapons? Sure we can smuggle drugs, a lucrative, if risky and high-profile, enterprise, but why not play it on the safe side and petition one of those Islamic charities for aid? After all, they are funded by some of those 5000 Saudi royals with millions at their disposal, the 5000 Saudis, in other words, who constitute the Riyadh regime.
Now that we have our guns, Michael, I’m embarrassed to say that we don’t have anyone who knows how to use them, so who do we know who is in the business of training people how to use guns? Maybe one of the foreign intelligence services that have set up shop here alongside us to make sure we and other like-minded folks don’t cause trouble within their borders. We’ll promise not to make any trouble for them if they keep paying and arming us, and we’ll even do harm to their rivals if they like. Of course we don’t have to keep our promise and in fact it is better that we don’t because our willingness to act against them will vouchsafe our seriousness and earn us more respect and money, until of course they tire of our shenanigans and plot to kill us. But in the meantime, now that we’re armed and trained, we can start to plan quality operations and can even take our show on the road and send some of the boys abroad, but we will need logistical support; among other things we are going to need passports because if you travel under your own name it is going to set off alarm bells all around the world; the Jordanians, for instance, know who Michael Totten is because they’re here, just like all the other mukhabarat, and it being Jordan they’ll warn their American and the Israeli allies, the two states we’d most love to attack. So who is going to get us passports? Do we have anyone in the cave here who can forge documents for us? No? Maybe one of the security services can help us out.
You see what I’m driving at? Al Qaeda, Islamist terrorism, is a function of states. Yes, it is an ideological movement with its own history and sources and political ambitions that run counter to the current nation-state system of the Arabic-speaking Middle East; but it is a movement that is sustained by Middle Eastern regimes and their intelligence services who use terror organizations to advance their own strategic interests and deter other states from using terror organizations against them.
I can’t repeat this enough because the President needs to understand this. All of us need to understand it. The Bush administration understood it but the lesson seems to have evaporated into thin air with all the confusion and miscommunication that left some Americans with the belief that the White House was claiming Saddam was directly responsible for 9/11. But this is not what the administration said, and we know for a fact that Saddam did work with Al Qaeda and with Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Ayman Zawahiri’s outfit that constitutes the core of the Bin Laden group. But we’re moving away from this understanding and it spells real danger for core American interests and citizens.
If you want to fight Islamist terror you have to go to the heart of the matter and that is Middle Eastern regimes, but this is not what we’re doing now. In fact, we are doing the opposite, counterinsurgency is the opposite of going to the source of the problem. COIN is a losing hand for us. No matter how good the US military gets at counterinsurgency it is never going to have the same sort of success as Arab regimes do. The Arabs can’t win wars, but Arab regimes have never lost to an insurgency, ever. Thank God that the Americans will never emulate the tactics of these regimes—the collective punishment, rape, torture and murder that Arab states typically employ to put down insurgencies, but if you don’t do it you will not defeat an Arab insurgency. Everyone says the Surge was successful, but maybe we should ask the family and friends of the almost 500 Iraqis killed in mega-terror attacks in Baghdad since August. Relative to Iraq’s population, that’s close to two 9/11s. Maybe someone can explain to me how the blood and mangled flesh of almost 500 people is the harvest of a successful counterinsurgency. Prime Minister Maliki—whose political future is obviously jeopardized by the violence, and this is of course the point of the operations—and his security officials are pointing fingers at their neighbors, especially Syria and Saudi, and the Americans are hushing them up. Why? Because we want to ignore the role of states in terrorism, and the President still seeks to engage the Syrians on our way out of Iraq, as the sage men who authored the Baker-Hamilton Iraq Study Group report counseled. That is, explain to Iraq’s neighbors who have been working so hard over the last 6 years to destabilize the country that a stable Iraq is in their best interest, a subtle point that they are obviously too foolish to understand without American policymakers explaining it to them. American elites have a hard time distinguishing between intelligence and cunning, largely because their lives do not depend on them outwitting murderous rivals. In hard places, intelligent people is what the cunning eat for lunch.
Ask people in the Obama administration about Syrian involvement in the Baghdad attacks and they tell you this is why we haven’t sent an ambassador back to Damascus yet. That’s how we punish states that kill our men and women in uniform and target the Arab civilians whose lives are under our protection as an occupying force—we withhold diplomats. Pretty stern stuff, no? Bashar al-Assad must be shaking in his boots.
There’s another reason we need to focus on the role of states in terror. We have an investment in the state system because it is how we interact with the rest of the world—politically, diplomatically, etc. We fare much less well with armed NGOs. We rightly refuse to have relations with groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, but if we continue to see our struggles in terms of COIN, in due course we will have no choice but to open up relations with all these so-called non-state actors. Our professional diplomats will be out of work if we don’t find someone for them to talk to, and our top military officials will also be on board. This would be a catastrophe for us, utter chaos, not least of all because we simply don’t have the human resources to deal with every ambitious freelancer who understands that the easiest way to get the Americans at the negotiating table is to start killing Americans.
Remember that one of the points of democracy promotion was to strengthen the Arab state, as well as liberalize it—we want states to control their borders and take responsibility for the actions of their citizens, inside and outside of those borders. The last thing we want is for the Arabic-speaking Middle East to return to its post-Ottoman, pre-state condition. Our friend Tony Badran has an interesting observation concerning the COIN people and why they regard TE Lawrence as an authority on the region. Lawrence was operating in a pre-state environment and the COIN people downplay the role of states. But if you see the political organization of the region in terms of authoritarian regimes that are capable of patrolling their borders and watching over problematic actors when their own security is at stake, then Lawrence is not as compellingly instructive.
The fact is that Arab states are weak as it is, and I’m not referring to their inability to provide a better life for their peoples. I mean they can’t defend themselves. The fact they use Al Qaeda to protect them from Iran, and each other, is evidence they are feeble affairs. The Saudis and Egyptians and the rest of the Arabs are waiting on the Israelis to strike the Iranian nuclear program because they can’t do anything about it themselves. As I was saying above, the Arab moment is over, by which I mean the Arabs no longer set the tone and tempo of the region, nor are they even capable of shaping their own destiny. If the Israelis do attack the Iranians it will reveal for all to see what is quite clearly the case: the major regional nodes now are Israel, Iran and perhaps an ascendant Turkey. That’s who is calling the shots in the Middle East today, not the Arabs.
But that hardly means our role in the region is over. Rather it means that we are more necessary than ever for the vacuum will be filled by those who do not obviously share our concerns or interests, including the stability of international markets and above all the security and welfare of the American people. The major strategic interest that has kept us in the Middle East, that has made us the undisputed strong horse, is the same as it was 65 years ago—oil, which after homeland security is our most vital interest.
That said, now there’s another vital interest in the region for us, to prevent the proliferation of WMD, especially nuclear weapons, but this also includes any systems that these regimes might conveniently misplace only to be recovered by one of the terror outfits they use as assets. The uptick of Islamist violence and terror now coming out of Yemen, some of it washing up on our shores in the form of Major Nidal Hasan and his colleague Umar Faruq Abdelmuttalab, is sufficient evidence that we aren’t going anywhere. Even if the Obama administration truly wants to reduce our regional profile, they are finding that our national security will not permit it.
So how do we carry ourselves in the Middle East? My advice comes from the book’s title: the strong horse not only punishes his enemies, he also rewards and protects his friends, sometimes by punishing their enemies. This is a precept derived from the most basic principle of human relations—to protect those whom you love from harm and to be prepared to do harm to those who would injure them. Bizarrely, these principles are frequently neglected by our policymaking establishment, on both sides of the aisle, a culture that among others has counseled rapprochement, engagement and even comity with those that have made their enmity toward us and our friends and allies clear. Policies that go against the natural course of affairs—warming to enemies and freezing out allies—are destined to fail. Socrates reminds us that a dog knows well enough to distinguish friends from enemies. So should our policymakers. So should the President of the United States.
The Strong Horse by Lee Smith is available from Amazon.com. I can't recommend this book strongly enough. If you enjoyed this brief interview, you should enjoy The Strong Horse
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But he's strengthened my opinion that America is not temperamentally equipped to deal with this fractious cauldron of interwoven enmities created over centuries.
We're not going to change things in this part of Asia. We must get over the idea that we can make a long term difference. "Democracy" may grow here and there, but will always be flavored by the region's hereditary instabilities....genetically, self reinforcing instabilities and inherently corrupt narcotic-market driven dis-organization.
So I would welcome our withdrawal from the landmass. Now. Change our tactics and strategies to those of off-shore placement and remote control....with the sole aim of protecting American territory. So we have oil rationing in America until substitutes are economically available. The Brits had food and fuel rationing for years after World war II. Our memories are too short. They were a coal producing area. Cold flats were the norm.
Now, about that "vacuum" which will be created by our withdrawal...better sooner than later, and much cheaper in American blood and materiel if sooner. These Arabs, Persians, Kurds, Turks... on and on, will always revert to their historically validated lifestyles. No American-goosed "Eureka!" moments of the viability of area-wide democracy will ever have lasting deep roots in a shifting tribal-centered culture. Ever.
I particularly liked his comments about three hundred years of expedient, opportunistic anti-Americanism having originated in Europe, if I understood Lee Smith correctly. I witnessed that first hand in Hong Kong during the 1960's, subtly manifested commercially from time to time by such things as noticing the ships of British registry calling at Haiphong, North Viet Nam while our troops were dying in South Viet Nam. Where was the allied 'solidarity' there? Who knew what cargo was beneath those hatches?
So, British troops are now dying in Afghanistan fighting our common enemy, Islamic Terrorism. Times change, allies and alliances change everywhere over time. Nowhere, nowhere, is this indicated more clearly than by the thousands of years of accumulating/dissolving unions in the Middle East.
Why think that we Americans can make a lasting difference in this ancient bloody arena by introducing that totally alien concept of "Democracy"?
"American elites have a hard time distinguishing between intelligence and cunning, largely because their lives do not depend on them outwitting murderous rivals. In hard places, intelligent people is what the cunning eat for lunch."
and is a perfect description of American deficiency in interpreting and relaying motives and intelligence when dealing with countries like Syria and S.Arabia.
I worked with several Lebanon vets, and they really found the hezbollah people a lot like the spanish. Withdrawn but happy to take your money. I know folks got married down there.
And the Iraq/Iran border is becoming porous. Did you all see Iraq bowing at the grave of Mogniyeh (see http://www.cnas.org/blogs/abumuqawama/2010/01/dept-further-reasons-bang-your-head-your-desk-repeatedly-when-thinking-abo)
And then I stopped reading. I won't read the book. And now, I will be moving on to my next mouse click. I, like most people these days, am a busy guy. But thanks for playing.
Re that quote from Smith--which struck me as very, very odd, and which I still have not figured out--I'm hoping Michael understood what the hell it means and can explain it to us. If it's a statement of fact about the potential for political violence in, for instance, my home state of Missouri, I think he's got his facts wrong. And I hope it's not a snarky shot at those of us from flyover country, which would damage my otherwise high opinion of Smith.
They also wield a disproportionate amount of political, economic, and even military power over the "flyover states," so it's pretty important to convince them that the entire world isn't a happy place full of rational, if not always immediately comprehensible, people. Their reaction to 9/11 was "Why do they hate us?" and they would honestly prefer to create imaginary grievances to explain why they were attacked, than accept the possibility that there was no reason other than the fact that they exist.
Bzzt. Wrong answer, thank you for playing.
Thanks Michael.
... Still waiting on your dispatches from Eastern Europe, and that book of yours!
Keep it up!
This is more than a little strange. Does this mean the poll workers in Des Moines are more aquainted with violence than those in Philidelphia? How is this not an absurd proposition?
I think I must be misunderstanding the remark somehow. Short of some very revealing data, I cannot believe this to be true.
Yes, you are misunderstanding. He isn't comparing San Francisco to Des Moines, he's comparing San Francisco to Baghdad.
This much I knew. Incredible perspective. As others have pointed out his conclusions afford the opportunity to hit the pavement and do his own recon.
American "progressives" view of the world would be flat out horrifying if they commanded a greater following in America. This approach with Syria is the epitome of their mindset. It should disqualify them from domestic policy too.
If I'm to draw one conclusion from Lee's analysis is that our Middle East policy should be to stop making things worse but don't expect to make it any better. Good luck getting our Coastal Elitists to buy into that. One world blah blah blah.....
"In hard places, intelligent people is what the cunning eat for lunch." It's not the Middle East but the USA just became a harder place to live. And the cunning here are preparing the trimmings.
Buying the book for sure.
This is what intelligent men can find by actually walking the ground and not getting stuck inside the liberal bubble.
The hatred of the left joins the hatred of the salafists in a strange marinade. We need to understand both.
The point about COIN being counterproductive deserves to be reviewed.
"And in the meantime 18-wheelers get goods to market and marketers and their customers get to jobs...how, as we slow the economy to a crawl? While undeveloped quantities of the stuff we can use sits under our feet and off our shores. Our natural gas in the tank works too."
We did very well during WWII with gasoline and household fuel rationing, albeit with a smaller population and less than three 5,000 pound vehicles per household. Thermostats set at 60 degrees, curtains drawn over windows at night, etc. No air conditioning except in a few, very few, of the newer office buildings and movie theatres. Those 18 wheelers got their needed fuel, and indeed got to market on schedule. Civilian household vehicles did not get to jobs, unless they qualified for priority ration cards to defense plants, etc. Parents routinely rode buses, street cars, because they always had done. There was indeed some car-pooling, but we were not car-centered. Children did without, rode (gasp..)public transport to school. Walked to movies, bussed to ball games. Walked to neighborhood sports grounds.
We did this rather well because we were not suburban-organized and we used in-place public transport which actually functioned. There were very few cars in my middle class neighborhood when I was a teenager during WWII. We walked. We carried groceries home, or wheeled them in small carts behind us for several blocks. Or, we took them on busses and street cars.
So, what to do now with our cul-de-sac culture? We car-pool, bigtime. Get to know a(gasp!)neighbor......
In Washington D.C., my home town, the well-routed, abundant street car tracks were uprooted right after the War throughout the city because they hindered (!) automobile traffic and caused jams.
American industry produced a stupendous amount of goods, yes, wartime goods for the armed forces, and shipped overseas to allies, but we had NO new cars at all. Stuff moved on schedule. Lots and lots of stuff. Life moved apace, just differently from now.
And, of course I must agree with the idea that our offshore undeveloped sources are at present wasted. Really wasted...the Chinese think we're idiots with all of this under our feet, or under potential oil rigs. They have a point. We must change our priorities, change our profligate lifestyle quickly. Drill. We've brought this on ourselves.
I leaped in here at Paul S.'s point because now we can't imagine life without at least two SUV's per household...whale sized vans for soccer matches. Varoooom 400 HP suddenly is a necessity, or, roaring diesel pickups.
Those Arabs have us by the shorts now because we evolved into "comfort mode" right after the War because we were hungry for 150 HP cars. V8 Engines. We were actually self sufficient in gasoline until after the 'fifties, or so. Look it up.
We can do a lot if we re-arrange our priorities.
Find-a-geezer, (not a politician) ...have a chat.....I fully realize I'd garner very few votes for anything, but I'm a realist...try it...it feels good.
Tell the Middle East that Hrothgar said to roast a pig in their oil. Eat it.
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The implication (if not the intent) of this passage is clearly that residents of the center of the United States cannot live their political lives free from violence. Otherwise, it is far simpler and easier to state that "in the United States". Of course, a similar argument could also be made about the passage implying that one is also in danger of political violence living in Europe outside the capitals. Obviously, I am not differentiating living a political life free from violence vis-a-vis a life free from political violence.
Factually, reading these implications into the narrative is wrong of course, but it strikes me as sloppy writing from someone who wants me to purchase the efforts of their intellectual property in written form. One could also argue the accuracy of being safe from political violence in the European capitals, as Theo Van Gogh or Geert Wilders could attest, along with residents of Madrid, London, and Paris.
The rest of the passages strike me as most interesting. I am left with the idea of what DO we do, if populist approaches are culturally doomed? Withdrawal and isolation are satisfying with respect to U.S. exposure, but leaves the region to a barabaric sort of dark age of oppression, death, and destruction. Besides, the 21st century really doesn't lend itself to isolation on the scale that would seem to be necessary. They can reach out and touch us nearly at will, the more so if we are not engaged at any level.
From what in Europe would be considered a typical culturally deficient American perspective, you can't talk to them, you can't ignore them, and killing them really isn't acceptable. What IS the solution? It's kept more learned people than me up at night.
You get L.A. basin commuters to switch to buses and trolleys and abandon suburbia first, then we'll talk---about the current century.
Killing roaches works for me; no threats from the grave. Problem is we're outnumbered and it gets labor and resource-intensive, which means $---ours. Tends to send a message though.
Could that include humiliation or ostracizing? I'd think turning our enemies into embarrassments, so that everybody wants to disown them (at least publicly), could be a powerful approach if used judiciously.
Another area that confused me: he seems to say that Arab hatred toward the US is purely ideological and not based on any policies we have("The United States is hated not because of what it does, or because of what it is. The United States is hated for what it is not, not Arab and not Muslim." ), and says that the hatred would not change if we had a footprint the size of Belize's but then traces the origins of that ideology to Western occupation, a specific action. It would seem that in explaining why they hate us for no reason, Smith gives a reason.
He goes on to say we were a benevolent occupier so they shouldn't be so mad about it, after all they got rich. So maybe he just means they hate us for bad reasons, but those bad reasons are still tied to specific actions. Later he mentions that some of the groups who profited so much use that money to fund terrorism. Not so great that we occupied them after all.
Do I suck at reading or is this more sloppiness on Smith's part? I appreciate his wanting to deflate liberal truisms, but mentioning democracy promotion and seeming to favor a more robust i.e. military engagement with Syria, made me very skeptical of Smith's usefulness.
Re..."You get L.A. basin commuters to switch to buses and trolleys and abandon suburbia first, then we'll talk---about the current century."
Posted by: Paul S. at January 27, 2010 9:29 pm
I know that that's going to be like pulling teeth....entrenched habits, etc. Personally, I've bugged out with my Miata MX5. It's entirely up to those you mention. It's their choice. If they choose to continue with those 'essential' 5,000 pound SUV's, there's not much to talk about....that's our mutual dilemma. They'll have to cope with twilight at noon, and 75 car pileups on those incredible freeways because everyone's tailgating at seventy-some mph.
I can only offer you the wizened wisdom of my 78 years' experience watching this transition, coupled with my impatience at a lack of recognition of a currently untenable position, and the seeming lack of acceptance of it's seriousness.
I'm a specimen from another age who looks with not a little astonishment at our current dilemma. It's all.."me first"...everywhere. But, Maoism can't work, either. We know that.
Back on topic...what we see in the Middle east today is the spotlit source of our ills. Oil. That's why I suggested that roasted pig. Stuffed. Then, quarantine.
Sadly, Nine-Eleven is fading.
You suck at understanding that there is no actual reason for the hate, only a long litany of excuses for it made up after the fact. Your mind simply cannot accept this fact, though, so instead you attack the messenger for his inconsistency in explaining the reasons they hate us, and completely ignore the real point, that they hate us for no reason whatsoever.
Hating us isn’t out of character
Too many quotes about the coasts, as MJT explained, that's where the elite intellectuals are concentrated on who need the messages.
1) The Strong Horse message -- hurt your enemies, protect your friends; maybe hurt the enemies of your friends. Unsaid-- help the enemies of your enemies...we did that in Afghanistan when our Soviet enemies were there.
2) If you want to fight Islamist terror you have to go to the heart of the matter and that is Middle Eastern regimes, but this is not what we’re doing now.
I really liked this interview a lot, because it agrees with me. We need ... A World Without Dictators. (like my old blog's title.)
We need to learn how to do better Nation Building than we did in Iraq, and than we are doing in Afghanistan now.
We need, Iraqi people need, Arabs need, a successful Arab democracy to develop in Iraq. To be a shining Baghdad example on a hill.
It can't be done quickly, but it doesn't have to be so expensive, if more is expected of the Arab inhabitants, and more development authority is given to them, along with responsibility.
True, human-rights respecting democracy must replace the corrupt, anti-colonialism autocratic regimes that most Arabs live under.
But COIN is not the path.
Probably Sudan should have had such a regime change in 2004, when they were committing genocide (Powell called it honestly) in Darfur.
Every time I read about the Holocaust, anti-Jewish genocide before I was born, I remember the almost silence about the genocides in Cambodia (thanks, John Kerry!), in Rwanda, in Darfur. All while I've been alive.
Regime change, into democracy, is the answer. We don't know the optimal ways to get there, but it's clear we haven't been trying hard.
Support Iranian democracy movements now.
If the Arabs and Israelis hated each other, the war between the two would have been settled decades ago, and would have gone very badly for the Arabs. Dichotomies might be comforting, but they fail to account for the existence of large numbers of people for whom irrational hate is such an alien concept that they cannot even comprehend it to save their lives, as several other posters and the current US president have been demonstrating.
If it is as others have said, that he is talking about where the US population is centered, perhaps Lee needs to spend a little more time studying US geography, as 3 of the top 10 largest US cities are in Texas, and only 5 of the top 10 largest are on the east or west coast.
I suspect it is more likely that Lee is perpetuating the myth of the violent "wild west" in flyover country, where everybody is a backwoods hick toting a gun and all the local elections are stolen by white guys with shotguns over their shoulders and chewing tobacco stains on their shirts. I have to say that if that wasn't the picture he was trying to convey, that maybe you should ask him to clarify the statement himself. I stopped reading your interview with him after reading that and it is clear that many others had exactly the same reaction. I like your work and would like to be able to read his comments free of the feeling that he is looking down his nose at me...but it is impossible with that first statement hanging over the rest of the post.
Please ask him to clarify, if he meant to contrast the level of violence in the US to the level in the middle east...why limit the comparison to only the places in the US traditionally inhabited by liberals?
Because he's arguing with liberals and saying they live in a bubble. And they do. I live in the coastal liberal bubble and understand perfectly what he means.
I used to live in "flyover country," in Iowa, and it did not even occur to me that Lee was knocking that part of the country. He also wasn't dissing rural France, Swiss mountain villages, or people who live along the Norwegian fjords.
So relax and just read the interview. I published it for a reason, and I assure you it wasn't in order to diss my old neighbors in Iowa.
If those in the Middle East want to kill each other, let them have at it. If they feel they have to bring their insanity here, it is time to introduce them to the concept of the vendetta. Nasser dealt with the Muslim Brotherhood by killing their families in toto; They need lessons of total retaliation, until they understand. I believe it is one aspect of the Third Rule.
Further, they need to be put in isolation until they learn to behave or, if not possible, they should be treated like rabid animals. Ceasing all intercourse with them, and developing our own resources would be best, if we had the guts or brains to do so.
I'm a backwoods hick toting a gun who grew up in Indiana, New Jersey and New York, and I've lived most of my adult life in Los Angeles. Bush senior made me a criminal with his gun bans until I finally broke down and registered tow of my rifles as assault weapons. Which is evidence that not all of the "elites" are on the left, in my opinion. They do, however, seem to be concentrated on the Northeast Coast, California, the Pacific Northwest and (obviously) Washington, DC. I didn't have any trouble understanding what Lee was getting at. If I was to nitpick it I'd have to point out that we here in Southern California have a much more pragmatic view than people in places like Berkeley and San Francisco. So much so that Northern California almost seems like a different state than Southern California.
And ... thanks for explaining your meaning about the "coasts" comment. It's clear to me now that it was just an odd phrasing that came across a little inscrutably. Though I would point out that there are plenty of Midwesterners who have essentially the same attitudes as the elites in Manhattan or DC.
I grant that their anger is out of proportion to any perceived wrongs and has taken on a life of its own, but I'm not following the mechanics of his argument.
Maybe I am nitpicking or maybe I am just plain wrong and mischaracterizing what Smith said, but it seems to me like this statement needs some unpacking. And apologies for the contentiousness of my last post.
Let me unpack it for you.
They hate everybody. We are part of "everybody." They didn't notice us or care before we showed up in the region, but we're there now, we can't leave any time soon, so we're stuck with each other.
They also hate each other as much as, if not more than, they hate us. It doesn't matter how nice Barack Obama is. He can't change this. None of us can change this.
One thing that's very strange about it, and makes it initially hard to discern from up close, is that almost all Arabs are extremely polite and hospitable in person. If you go there, you won't feel the hatred unless you are spectacularly unlucky.
Of course, not all of them hate us or even hate anyone. Lee and I both have lots of friends over there. It would be nice if they had more power and influence than they do, and maybe someday they will.
Further, they need to be put in isolation until they learn to behave or, if not possible, they should be treated like rabid animals. Ceasing all intercourse with them, and developing our own resources would be best, if we had the guts or brains to do so.
Posted by: richard everett at January 28, 2010 12:04 pm +"
I'm pasting everett's eminently sensible words here to emphasize them. Also they provide me another opportunity to repeat my frequent posting about a tight quarantine and offshore attacks being the way to fight these brainwashed zealots.
But, lets omit the "if" concerning the needed brains...we've got the needed brains...Americans have been innovators since way back. The very name "Petraeus" has an heroic ring to it. Give him a long leash and whatever resources he needs. A much needed major shift in the Congressional gut-set in Washington D.C. along with real leadership from the Executive would set us right. If we had had this batch of politicians in 1942, Japanese and German would be now the required first languages on our West and East Coasts.
Our most recent "Day Of Infamy" was on that 11 September in 2001. Somehow, the same needed resonance has been allowed to dissipate. Compare Obama's bow in that startling photo of him with the Saudi King, in addition to his photo-op bow to Hirohito's son.
Outreach? Why?
I am not defending Obama, his policies, or his posturing and I think I share some of core assumptions expressed- the tribal mindset, and the reality of irreconcilable and competing differences, to name two.
After your and others' answers it seems to me that precise description of some of the smaller points was more of a secondary concern for Smith, who was more interested in persuading people that any relationship with the ME will necessarily be agonistic, often violently so, and the resulting policy prescriptions.
In short, I am not his target audience and we have been talking past one another.
Also, you are right to mention that citizens of hostile gov'ts are almost always very pleasant in person, a point that too often lost when we say "us" and "them" to mean gov'ts or some abstract idea of "Nationality X". I try to be careful about this, but had already gotten myself in hot water over a point most people found frivolous at best. This one's worth remembering.
I do enjoy your website and regret my debut posting here. Too bad about first impressions.
Thanks for the comment, Mr Smith. This is what I took the passage to mean given Mr Totten's clarification.
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2010/01/what-would-byzantium-do/
Of course, one difference is that Lee Smith is saying that we CAN'T leave, while Edward Luttwak is saying that we should do just that, and conduct our policy of punishing our enemies and rewarding our friends via local proxy (how effective such an approach could be in the contemporary world is open to legitimate question). But both of them seem to be saying that we should start caring about ourselves at least as much as we care about them and their opinions of us, stop trying to push the Sisyphean please-like-us rock up the endlessly angry mountain slope, and instead act, both militarily and diplomatically, in a manner that causes us to be perceived by our adversaries in the region as a force to be feared and respected, and therefore to be cautiously reckoned with, and not to be casually provoked, due to the high likelihood of dire consequences for the instigators. Let them be concerned with OUR opinions, and the actions that might flow from them, for a change.
“Al-taqiyya.”
There are various spellings, type the above into the Google blank, and then take your pick, but read, please, about their lying, looking-you-in the-eye-lying...justified by Islam IF it is deemed according to their opaque thinking, to be to their advantage. From a seduction leading into the bedroom, or towards other more ominous ends.
I stumbled upon this “Al-taqiyya” recently, and it has since emphasized to me the essential worthlessness of everything an Islamist/Muslim will ever say. Their own very elastic Orwellian definitions...which we cannot know at any one time, govern their every intention.
How can we enter into "negotiations" with any of the varying factions in Lebanon, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria...with that shadowy concept lurking behind their "talking points"? I left out Saudi Arabia because that seems to be in a category all of its own.
So, I'd like to ask our host, Michael Totten, if you have run across this Islamic concept, and if it enters into this very discussion here at hand? If not, I'll drop it right after this.
I want to read your book. There's too much we don't know....
MJT has undoubtedly run across the concept. You're right: it is important to always keep in mind...
Here are a couple of other useful bits, in addition to taqiyya (intentional dissimulation), about negotiations in or with the world of Islam, which I once posted at another blog (I have just now slightly edited this):
1) Fosco Maraini, an Italian anthropologist and Mountain climber who visited the Hindu Kush in the late 1950s, iirc (from chapter 2 of his book on the Hindu Kush, Where Four Worlds Meet) wrote:
"The efforts of European scholars to frame a terminology capable of translating the fundamental concepts of shariah into Occidental values are doomed to failure in advance. Trying to introduce our basic juridical assumptions concerning public, private, constitutional or canon law into the fortified redoubt of the Islamic endocosm is rather like trying to grow fruit in a bookcase, or force steel cubes up one's nostrils. The converse process is, of course, equally difficult....for the simple reason that we are dealing with entities that never match exactly, but leave incompatible loose ends on both sides..."
Although the assumptions, "the world is a global vilage", and "we all want the same thing", are truly foolish, and the assumption of easy translation is not wise, it is worthwhile to consider: in what ways are the assumptions foolish, and how? One way is the understanding or misunderstanding of word meanings; another the misunderstanding of cultural concepts. Islam has cultural assumptions fundamentally different from the modern West. These differences need to be acknowledged.
2)from Lawrence Rosen, "The Anthropology of Justice law as culture in islamic society " (Cambridge University Press 1989)
a) truth (pg. 22): "Consider first the issue of truth...Moroccans appear to make a clear distinction between statements made in the course of establishing a relationship and the truth or falseness that can be said to attach to any utterance. This distinction sounds peculiar to western ears since even if we do not believe someone who says he is our friend or who claims to know another person quite well we at least regard such statements as having some bearing on the issue of truth, as capable of of being assessed at some level as true or false. But when a Moroccan makes such a bare statement, it is well understood that this utterance functions not like a statement that is true or false but rather like a price mentioned in the market-place, a figure that cannot be said to be true or false until it is accepted, validated by some additional act performed by oneself or another, and thus brought from the realm of the proposed into the world of activities that affect the relationships among people...the things people say about relationships to one another really operate like bargaining positions...are not held to standards of truth or falseness before they have been solidified by some act that brings them into the world of truth, the world of human relationships."
b) justice (pg. 74) "Everywhere one encounters in Islamic life the idea of justice...The Muslim concept of justice is thus one of those domains in which a host of social, political, and ethical ideas come into uneasy coalescence, and the contrast between American ideas, diverse, fluctuating, often inchoate, and Islamic ideas, challenged, hesitating, yet deeply sensed, is actually quite subtle. For if it is true that the present idea of justice in America overlaps with and incorporates the ideas of equality (the law should be blind to social and biological differences) and ideas of autonomy (justice lies in the protection of my rights) then within the ambit of Islamic justice lie the central ideas of individuation (I must be seen as a a whole person whose social traits contribute to a distinctive pattern) and the fair regulation of permissible exchange (the presentation of men's bargained-for claims within the limits set down by God). It is not rights that are at the center of Islamic justice, for no one expects rights to be recognized that are not granted by God or forcefully ensured by networks of obligation. Rather, what is central is the process by which one's claims may be validated before the community in accord with local practice and the attestation of people who with their own eyes know what is so and will not risk their credibility as allies by refusing to say it."
Drop it. Seriously, Hrothgar, put that down and step away from it.
I might as well just stay home and never go anywhere if it were that bad.
Taqqiya, by the way, is specifically a Shia concept that allows them to pretend to be Sunnis to avoid persecution from the caliph.
I forgot to paste this just above..."...a Moroccan makes such a bare statement, it is well understood that this utterance functions not like a statement that is true or false but rather like a price mentioned in the market-place."
Neat...terse.
We must learn to throw this tactic back at them, but that's very tricky, isn't it? Our western applications could very well backfire.
Thanks again.
You will not be able to understand the Muslim world if you make too big of a deal about this.
Just saw your answer...then it's dropped for blogging here, but of course not in my mind.
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I'm not trying to censor you. Use of the word isn't banned. Just please don't be one of those people who yells "taqqiya!" every time I quote an Arab liberal.
That hasn't happened in a while, but it used to be a serious problem, so I can be a bit wary and reactionary about it.
I think about it myself, though, when interviewing people like Hezbollah officials. They lie all the time to Western media and pretend to be reasonable. They are also, at other times, remarkably candid.
Those quotations from Maraini and Rosen aren't exactly about "taqiyya"; they are about cultural misunderstandings and assumptions.
In much the same way that MJT is leery about anyone who mentions "taqiyya", I'm leery of anyone who quotes a soldier in a war zone. I recall a certain Italian documentary a few years ago in which they found an American soldier (or marine, I can't recall) who said on camera and in uniform that an 81mm mortar round has a 100 meter blast radius, for instance. And it just gets worse from there when you start asking people about their personal opinions. There's a reason things like "The Marine Corps isn't paying you to think!" were such common mantras when I was in :)
Posted by: del at January 29, 2010 11:33 am "
My life in colonial Hong Kong for six years prior to a couple more in S. Viet Nam and Laos as a civilian during those most tragic, volatile 1960's taught me all I ever want to know about the risks associated with cultural mis-understandings.
Here's another posting I like very much: "I'll listen, make my best guess about motivation, and then step back and see if context and patterns bring clues.
Posted by: Paul S. at January 29, 2010 4:05 pm "
My most recent tipping point on our Islamic Problem seems to have centered on this amorphous concept of "taqiyya". New concept for me, that one. This acknowledged subtlety creates even more complications which can work in several directions. This "taqiyya" in conjunction with all past events of terrorism is one more ingredient in a noxious stew.
Last terse quotation which I like..."I'll listen, make my best guess about motivation, and then step back and see if context and patterns bring clues."...Paul S. 29th, 4:05pm
Indeed, they do with this, to me, new reagent named "taqiyya".
My Host may rest assured that... "Fine, keep it in your mind, but be very very careful about being deterministic about it."
The sum of events seems to me to be that we Westerners are blindly groping among vipers.
I'll be my own judge about my being "deterministic".
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It shouldn't be news to anyone that the likes of Yasser Arafat and Hassan Nasrallah lie and dissemble in front of Westerners. This week Osama bin Laden even pretends to be concerned about global warming, which I think is hilarious.
Just be careful not to lump good people in with Abu Musab al Zarqawi just because the concept of "taqqiya" exists in the world.
That's really all I have to say about that. I apologize for coming across as a knee-jerker when you first brought it up.
1) Containing the Islamist movement.
2) Ensuring access to the oil supplies.
3) Prevention or at least slowing down the proliferation of nuclear weapons in the region.
Our foreign policy objectives for the region should be strictly limited to these three objectives only. Any other objective is counter-productive to our rational self-interest and should, therefor, be rejected automatically. We should not concern ourselves with any other consideration.
Machiavelli's Discourses is a good guide book to playing this game. It should be mandatory reading for anyone interested in politics or foreign service. I consider the Discourses to be the only book necessary reading to understand politics and how to do it.
I'm wondering if there is anyway to play the various powers in the region against each other such as to bust up OPEC and to ensure a continuous supply of cheap oil. I have to reread my copy of the Discourses again.





