January 25, 2009

Back from Israel

Okay, I

Posted by Michael J. Totten at January 25, 2009 8:42 AM
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Welcome back. Looking forward to the articles. :-)
Posted by: Warhorse at January 25, 2009 11:19 am
Welcome back, Michael. Honest reporting needed, now more than ever.
Posted by: Paul S. at January 25, 2009 5:04 pm
Welcome back MJT. Looking forward to your reports from the field.
Off topic question directed at everyone. Many assert that Israeli Arabs are discriminated against:
http://www.arabhra.org/hra/SecondaryArticles/SecondaryArticlePage.aspx?SecondaryArticle=1594
Hat trip:
http://angryarabscommentsection.blogspot.com/2009/01/israels-palestinian-minority-and-human.html
Any responses about to what extent this is true? How much does the treatment of Palestinian Jews contribute to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict?
On another note, many believe that some extremist zionists organized attacks against non Palestinian Arab Jews to encourage them to move to Israel. Any response to these allegations?
Posted by: anand at January 25, 2009 5:52 pm
THANK GOD your back!
Now I can read someone more intelligent than Juan Cole's blog!
...(actually, using "Juan Cole" and "intelligent" in the same sentence is an oxymoron)
Posted by: ModerateVoice at January 25, 2009 7:02 pm
MJT,
I hope your trip went well. An issue I am curious about and wonder if you would address: To what extent are Israeli decision-makers and opinion-makers knowledgeable about Arab history and Islam, over millennia? Thanks.
anand,
What do you make of the following story about the coming release, under the Obama administration, of a convicted terrorist, nominally named Khalid Duhham Al-Jawary?
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20090124/Mystery.Terrorist/
Posted by: del at January 25, 2009 8:21 pm
On another note, many believe that some extremist zionists organized attacks against non Palestinian Arab Jews to encourage them to move to Israel. Any response to these allegations?
Yes -- Horseshit.
If you want more than that, why don't you look for facts instead of gobbling up and then spewing rumors. Start with actual historical sources about Arab states' attraction to Hitler and adoption of Nazi political theories. Try googling 'Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and Hitler' or 'Syria Nazi' 'Egypt Nazi'
Posted by: AZZenny at January 25, 2009 8:30 pm
The Lavon Affair is one example of an Israeli terrorist operation in Egypt which lead to the evacuation of the remaining Jewish community:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
Posted by: Eliot at January 25, 2009 9:25 pm
Thanks for that Eliot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
Another article detailing alleged zionist/Israeli terrorist attacks against non Palestinian Jewish Arabs is: http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupation/ameu_iraqjews.html
I look forward to more perspectives regarding this issue. How wide spread were these type of incidents? (I don't doubt that most Israelis and zionists opposed these types of terrorist attacks.)
Posted by: anand at January 25, 2009 9:54 pm
I also look forward to additional perspectives regarding the treatment of Palestinian Arab Israelis by other Israelis:
http://www.arab-lac.org/tasawor-mostaqbali-eng.pdf
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cook.php?articleid=14069
http://www.arabhra.org/hra/SecondaryArticles/SecondaryArticlePage.aspx?SecondaryArticle=1594
MJT, I would be curious about your perspective regarding Arab muslim Israelis related to this recent war.
Posted by: anand at January 25, 2009 9:57 pm
I'm sure you'll find a way to blame all this on a handful of Jewish extremists and/or Mossad. The Lavon affair was hardly 'an attack against Jews by extremist Jews,' btw. Everytime Israel hiccupped, Arab countries expelled Jews.
"During the 1947 UN debates, Arab leaders threatened the Jews living in their countries with expulsion and violence if partition were to occur."
"On May 16, 1948, New York Times ... reported of a law drafted by the Arab League Political Committee
Posted by: AZZenny at January 25, 2009 11:23 pm
anand & Eliot - The Lavon affair??
Where are you getting these links? As far as I can tell, you both seem to be fans of Alec Jones' conspiracy theory site, a major source of links like this.
So what are the Freemasons up to lately? Any news on the New World Order?
Posted by: maryatexitzero at January 26, 2009 6:51 am
@maryatexitzero,
I appreciate your skepticism but the Lavon Affair is accepted as a bungled covert operation by the Israelis. Lavon was the Israeli Defense Minister at the time.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/lavon.html
Posted by: Eliot at January 26, 2009 8:54 am
Lavon Affair, USS Liberty, Mossad, blah blah blah blah blah
So frickin' what? Just more tired, old clubs with which to bash the only homeland of the Jews.
I wish creeps like Anand and Eliot a nice, long and intimate affair with a kidney stone. Maybe that way they will regret having had the temerity to piss up the wrong tree, and long for a day they can just piss.
Posted by: Li'l Mamzer at January 26, 2009 9:04 am
AZZenny:
Willful ignorance cannot be overcome with salient facts.
In fact, I know of no way it can be reversed, short of first-hand experience.
Perhaps a work-release program in Sderot for Anand the past few years might have opened his eyes (and heart).
Perhaps not.
I no longer care about the likes of Anand, and have resigned myself to the truth in the saying, "In every generation they rise up.....". It ennobles us to remember this, and act to preserve ourselves and our children's future in the face of such engineered hatred.
Posted by: Li'l Mamzer at January 26, 2009 9:18 am
The treatment of Israeli muslim arabs is an important issue. Israeli muslim arabs serve as a bridge between Israelis and Palestinians from the occupied territories. Recently I have read that the major Israeli political parties tried to ban 3 Arab muslim Israeli political parties (that have 7 our of 120 seats in the current Israeli parliament) from participating in upcoming national Israeli elections. {Is this really happening?}
What is the perspective of Arab muslim Israelis to the current Gaza war?
Asking questions isn't willful ignorance. Many good and decent Palestinians genuinely believe that Palestinian Israelis are mistreated, and that zionist extremists conducted terrorist attacks to encourage Arab Jews to move to Israel. These issues have to be addressed head on.
Posted by: anand at January 26, 2009 9:56 am
Anand, your questions are rhetorical devices -- a disingenuous means to convey your own point of view while being able to avoid taking responsibility for it.
Li'l Mamzer is right -- you're a total waste of time.
Posted by: AZZenny at January 26, 2009 10:48 am
anand & Eliot - I asked about the "Lavon affair" links because this issue (like the use of the term "Likudnik") is a red flag that indicates that one is dealing with extremists or conspiracy theorists.
Alex Jones uses the Lavon affair to "prove" that "the Israeli government has a history of tricking the United States into attacking their enemies for them."
He then uses the Lavon affair to prove that Israel and Mossad are to blame for every international/political crime on the books, from 9/11 to the murder of JFK.
Asking questions isn't willful ignorance. Many good and decent Palestinians genuinely believe that Palestinian Israelis are mistreated, and that zionist extremists conducted terrorist attacks to encourage Arab Jews to move to Israel
Tens of thousands of Jews were forced to move from Arab lands. More tens of thousands of Arab Christians were also forced to move from Muslim Gaza, the Muslim-dominated West Bank, Egypt, Libya and other nations in the Middle East. Since the Arab/Muslim persecution of these Jews and Christians is well-documented, and is clearly due to prejudice, a long history of Arab/Muslim ethnic cleansing and apartheid Sharia laws, your 'question' is about as valid as anything Alex Jones writes - it's fever-swamp stuff
Posted by: maryatexitzero at January 26, 2009 11:32 am
AZZenny is correct -- I can't recall any post by anand which is not disingenuous.
Posted by: del at January 26, 2009 6:43 pm
Hope there's some interesting interviews coming up.
Posted by: beeaar at January 27, 2009 11:23 pm
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